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@rudy8292 Missed your post (was typing while you posted), lol, yeah, we’re kidding about it but I must admit if anything it actually makes me angry. Leaving essential things out and then acting like simmers should be greatful? I realize not everything in predecessors is automatically in a successor, I don’t even expect that, but toddlers, pools, ghosts, family tree? And then selling it as a generous gesture those things were added later and for free? I even think that’s kind of rude.
@MidnightAura Yes, by Grant and also by Rachel Franklin. It’s just not professional. You can say “we’ve tried to improve this”, but you’re just not going to downplay your previous work. It’s beyond me why anyone in any business would consider that a good idea. I know I’d really get in trouble at work if I’d do something like that and I work in a non profit organisation. And above all, it’s so not true that it makes things even sadder. Hoping nobody would notice, lol, yeah, well, you won’t get away with that with us hardcore casual players :p Maybe the ‘real gamers’ will buy it.
So what exactly do you think will be the fallout from those comments? How are they "not going to get away with it?"
That nobody would notice (my comment was a reaction to that assumption). I think non simmers may not notice and believe it blindly (hey, if an expert says so), but simmers - their cursomers - do. I’ve had a feeling before by the way Grant isn’t a simmer himself, often doesn’t know what he’s talking about and doesn’t get at all what it’s about. I truely think this is just his job, but that from a gamer’s perspective his interests lie elsewhere. That’s bad because as a result (he’s not the only one, Rachel Franklin didn’t get it either) they’ve turned this franchise into something many simmers don’t want and though others do, I see them expressing criticism that in my opinion is very justified (like the thread about instructions falling out of queue, and the lack of options, openness and customizability).
I think that is a huge problem with the sims 4. The people making it don't play it. Or at best don't play it a lot. Watch a live stream and its obvious by the amount of information that is given out that is not correct. For example in one of the recent live streams one of the guru's said teens can't live on their own. But they can because they themselves gave us that option. Very weird thing to state with such confidence that teens can't live on their own. You think they would know that. Perhaps it was a mistake and people are only human but its a weird thing to not know about your own game.
My husband works in game development. When he is working on a project he eat, sleeps and breathes it and he can tell you all kinds of weird and random facts about it. But then he plays the games he develops even if he left the company tomorrow he would continue to play the games.
Colossal Order who make Cities Skylines are another example. Their developers play their games and it shows. They have a passion for their games and they actually listen to and engage with their players in a very open way which I love. If they made a sims game I would be in heaven!
The sims 4 on the other hand like you say has went a different road from the previous games and as much as it likes to be denied by some there is no doubt a lot of players are not impressed with this offering. When I play the Sims 2 its so obvious how much love was put into this game, the amount of detail is astounding. It did continue in sims 3 but not in quite the same way but again the amount of gameplay and little details we got are amazing. Now look at the sims 4, cut out so many little details and vital game play and instead we get a half baked version of previous features. Look at the elevators, look at the boat for travel. Actually scratch that I refuse to call the boat a form of transport when the reality is its a cut screen the second your sims get halfway to it. Not to mention the tone had changed. The creativity has gone and its more "play our way or the high way"
Oddly Grant also worked on Sims 2 and in fact used to be one of the more popular devs. LOL.
It wasn’t as a producer though so not in the same capacity as he is now and for the sims 3. I didn’t know he had anything to do with the sims 2 and when I check the credits in the game itself the only thing I can see he is credited for is a “special thanks to...” for the sims 2 apartment life which doesn’t indicate their role or contribution. I don’t care for popularity per se, although I am continuously surprised at remarks he makes in interviews that seem to insult the players intelligence not to mention live streams he doesn’t do himself any favours.
Actually it was Associate Producer and Game Designer for Sims 2 and 3 - and Lead Producer for Sims 4. Well after seeing him in live plays, E3;s, and Gamescom for the last 12 plus years - I guess I am just used to it, because I have never felt insulted by anything he says myself. It's just Grant being his quirky self. LOL. I even find him funny at times. He was real funny in some of the earlier Sims games he worked on - often quite animated. LOL.
To be clear: I have nothing against him. He seems like an easy going, laid back kind of man and I actually like that. I also feel sympathy for people who speak before they think and he strikes me as one of those too. I feel sympathy because at least people like that are honest, not calculating. What you see is what you get, that's how he comes across (I'm sorry, I think we're not supposed to talk about gurus but my opinion about him really is positive so I hope I'm allowed to clarify that here ;)). But you'll have to excuse me in this case for being more interested in the game he's working on than I am in the man.
I read a while ago he worked on World Adventures and that he considered it a pain he never wanted to repeat. So glad developers back then 'forced' him too though and I don't know what his contribution was exactly but I'm still enjoying it, to this very day (I'm about to go to Shang Simla). I also read how he considered CL to be a much greater city experience than BP. I can in fact follow that line of thinking, when you look at it from a distance. But as a simmer I can say: no, it's not. Because playing Sims is more than looking at a nice picture, looking through the windows, enjoying the view and listening to traffic. And when he says things like that, I must confess I feel exactly the same as when I'm asked to explain my love for this game by people who look down on Sims and don't understand why anyone would play a 'game' like that (quotation marks are theirs, not mine ;)). And those are people I even love: my kids, my husband, my brother. But I won't let them come between me and my game :p- MidnightAura86New Spectator
"JoAnne65;c-16241891" wrote:
"Writin_Reg;c-16241370" wrote:
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"JoAnne65;c-16240107" wrote:
"simgirl1010;c-16239723" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16239685" wrote:
@rudy8292 Missed your post (was typing while you posted), lol, yeah, we’re kidding about it but I must admit if anything it actually makes me angry. Leaving essential things out and then acting like simmers should be greatful? I realize not everything in predecessors is automatically in a successor, I don’t even expect that, but toddlers, pools, ghosts, family tree? And then selling it as a generous gesture those things were added later and for free? I even think that’s kind of rude.
@MidnightAura Yes, by Grant and also by Rachel Franklin. It’s just not professional. You can say “we’ve tried to improve this”, but you’re just not going to downplay your previous work. It’s beyond me why anyone in any business would consider that a good idea. I know I’d really get in trouble at work if I’d do something like that and I work in a non profit organisation. And above all, it’s so not true that it makes things even sadder. Hoping nobody would notice, lol, yeah, well, you won’t get away with that with us hardcore casual players :p Maybe the ‘real gamers’ will buy it.
So what exactly do you think will be the fallout from those comments? How are they "not going to get away with it?"
That nobody would notice (my comment was a reaction to that assumption). I think non simmers may not notice and believe it blindly (hey, if an expert says so), but simmers - their cursomers - do. I’ve had a feeling before by the way Grant isn’t a simmer himself, often doesn’t know what he’s talking about and doesn’t get at all what it’s about. I truely think this is just his job, but that from a gamer’s perspective his interests lie elsewhere. That’s bad because as a result (he’s not the only one, Rachel Franklin didn’t get it either) they’ve turned this franchise into something many simmers don’t want and though others do, I see them expressing criticism that in my opinion is very justified (like the thread about instructions falling out of queue, and the lack of options, openness and customizability).
I think that is a huge problem with the sims 4. The people making it don't play it. Or at best don't play it a lot. Watch a live stream and its obvious by the amount of information that is given out that is not correct. For example in one of the recent live streams one of the guru's said teens can't live on their own. But they can because they themselves gave us that option. Very weird thing to state with such confidence that teens can't live on their own. You think they would know that. Perhaps it was a mistake and people are only human but its a weird thing to not know about your own game.
My husband works in game development. When he is working on a project he eat, sleeps and breathes it and he can tell you all kinds of weird and random facts about it. But then he plays the games he develops even if he left the company tomorrow he would continue to play the games.
Colossal Order who make Cities Skylines are another example. Their developers play their games and it shows. They have a passion for their games and they actually listen to and engage with their players in a very open way which I love. If they made a sims game I would be in heaven!
The sims 4 on the other hand like you say has went a different road from the previous games and as much as it likes to be denied by some there is no doubt a lot of players are not impressed with this offering. When I play the Sims 2 its so obvious how much love was put into this game, the amount of detail is astounding. It did continue in sims 3 but not in quite the same way but again the amount of gameplay and little details we got are amazing. Now look at the sims 4, cut out so many little details and vital game play and instead we get a half baked version of previous features. Look at the elevators, look at the boat for travel. Actually scratch that I refuse to call the boat a form of transport when the reality is its a cut screen the second your sims get halfway to it. Not to mention the tone had changed. The creativity has gone and its more "play our way or the high way"
Oddly Grant also worked on Sims 2 and in fact used to be one of the more popular devs. LOL.
It wasn’t as a producer though so not in the same capacity as he is now and for the sims 3. I didn’t know he had anything to do with the sims 2 and when I check the credits in the game itself the only thing I can see he is credited for is a “special thanks to...” for the sims 2 apartment life which doesn’t indicate their role or contribution. I don’t care for popularity per se, although I am continuously surprised at remarks he makes in interviews that seem to insult the players intelligence not to mention live streams he doesn’t do himself any favours.
Actually it was Associate Producer and Game Designer for Sims 2 and 3 - and Lead Producer for Sims 4. Well after seeing him in live plays, E3;s, and Gamescom for the last 12 plus years - I guess I am just used to it, because I have never felt insulted by anything he says myself. It's just Grant being his quirky self. LOL. I even find him funny at times. He was real funny in some of the earlier Sims games he worked on - often quite animated. LOL.
To be clear: I have nothing against him. He seems like an easy going, laid back kind of man and I actually like that. I also feel sympathy for people who speak before they think and he strikes me as one of those too. I feel sympathy because at least people like that are honest, not calculating. What you see is what you get, that's how he comes across (I'm sorry, I think we're not supposed to talk about gurus but my opinion about him really is positive so I hope I'm allowed to clarify that here ;)). But you'll have to excuse me in this case for being more interested in the game he's working on than I am in the man.
I read a while ago he worked on World Adventures and that he considered it a pain he never wanted to repeat. So glad developers back then 'forced' him too though and I don't know what his contribution was exactly but I'm still enjoying it, to this very day (I'm about to go to Shang Simla). I also read how he considered CL to be a much greater city experience than BP. I can in fact follow that line of thinking, when you look at it from a distance. But as a simmer I can say: no, it's not. Because playing Sims is more than looking at a nice picture, looking through the windows, enjoying the view and listening to traffic. And when he says things like that, I must confess I feel exactly the same as when I'm asked to explain my love for this game by people who look down on Sims and don't understand why anyone would play a 'game' like that (quotation marks are theirs, not mine ;)). And those are people I even love: my kids, my husband, my brother. But I won't let them come between me and my game :p
I agree, I have nothing against him. I don’t know him personally. He does have a habit of putting his foot in it that is all. Case in point “The Sims 3 only had 1 EP a year”
My concern with him in charge is the Sims series will continue to lose its identity with a big focus on linear and RPG gameplay rather than a sandbox which is what The sims used to be about. "Erpe;c-16241883" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16241871" wrote:
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"TheHavocado;c-16240016" wrote:
Well if anything, The Sims 5 should be the new era Sims 2 or a lot of people are going to be dissapointed, especially if they did the lackluster release day again. The Sims 4 Ratings shot down faster than an F-15 during it's first week release, especially when (according to wiki) you consider the fact that "...This was the most successful PC game launch the company had ever had to date".
The Sims games have always had low ratings in the reviews and among other gamers who never have understood why this game got high sales numbers at all when it in their eyes isn’t even a real game but more like a toy for mainly young girls (or a virtual dollhouse).
EA also clearly hadn’t expected TS1 to become successful at all. Therefore the budget for TS1 was very low which meant that its game world became very small and its graphics looked very simple and outdated too. The reasons was that EA only expected a part of the SimCity gamers to buy it. But what EA hadn’t foreseen was that TS1 suddenly attracted millions of young girls who never had played a game before.
TS3 may have had the most successful launch (most copies sold on its release day). But TS1 still sold almost twice as many copies. So TS1 must clearly be the most successful game that EA ever launched.
The high sales numbers for TS3 on day one was caused by the open seamless world. But EA can’t ever get a similar success just by advertising the next Sims game as ”The return of the open world” anyway because the simmers who loved it then most likely will just stay with TS3 instead. So EA needs something new to use in the advertising instead. Maybe it will be something about ”the option to play and cooperate with your friends in the game”.
Why on earth should I continue playing Sims 3 when there would be a new great Sims game with new content and improvements and open world? I’d jump over to that new game immediately. It’s not open world (or CASt) that keeps me playing Sims 3. It’s the lack of a better alternative. I’ve tried the alternative and then returned. There was only one reason for that: while Sims 4 made me constantly go ‘what shal I do now..., oh what shall I do next’, then closing the game after two hours tops, my Sims 3 game sort of plays itself and I only quit because I have to go to bed. If they’d deliver a new game that does that, open world or not, Sims 3 could retire.
I didn’t write that to you and you seem to have misunderstood me.
The reason that I don’t play TS4 isn’t about the missing open world either and we seem to agree about what is wrong with TS4. That wasn’t my point.
But if TS5 is marketed as “a new Sims game similar to Sims 3 and with the open world returning” then it will get low sales numbers and especially if the EPs are just repetions too. Not because you won’t buy it because I am sure that you actually would :) But because most young teens would reject the game. Partly because they won’t like an attempt from EA to revive an old game - and partly because they would have wanted something new instead and think that EA must have run out of ideas :)
For us here in the forum such things aren’t really so important because we are the hardcore fans who most likely will buy almost anything. But for new young simmers without much money and with a lot of other interests too in their lives things are different. They won’t just throw out their sparce money on a game that doesn’t seem to have anything new to offer to them.
I know you didn't directly adress me but regardless, the statement
"But EA can’t ever get a similar success just by advertising the next Sims game as ”The return of the open world” anyway because the simmers who loved it then most likely will just stay with TS3 instead. So EA needs something new to use in the advertising instead."
begged for a reaction, because any simmer who's playing Sims 3 right now will probably confirm what I said. It's your theory EA has to have a brand new selling point to be able to sell the game and heck, for all we know EA agrees with you and thinks so too. I don't agree with that theory though, I don't think that's how it works for simmers. As long as they give us an immersive game that allows us to play with little people in a creative way, we're happy. In fact one of Sims 4's most popular selling claims among fans was 'back to its roots'.
Your theory (and who knows EA's theory) denies the fact that a community and sharing is highly important for simmers. The TS3 section is great, with lovely/sweet people sharing both information and experiences, but we're also sharing history. There is the occasional "Did you know that..." - "No, I didn't! Wow, got to try that!" but for the rest we're all stuck in the past. It's a beautiful past, I love that past, but that doesn't mean I - or anyone else - wouldn't rather move on. Playing Sims 3 has become a shelter, a place to turn to in absence of something better. Suggesting people who play the old games (regardless the version) do so out of lack of a will to move on/adjust/change, means you're shortchanging them and don't understand what they're coming from and it even denies their actual issues in a way.
And that's us oldies. When they'll announce Sims 5 it will be like 2020 earliest. Those young teens you're referring to will be kids who never played Sims 3, nor know the game. Open world will be a brand new concept for them.
The reason why we see things differently is mainly that you concentrate on what the forum here thinks. But by doing this you completely ignore the fact that if only the forum (or even 10 times as many simmers) bought the game then EA wouldn’t be able to support the game anymore without losing hundreds of millions of dollars.
So what EA concentrates about is of course instead the about 6 million other simmers all over the world. Most of those simmers aren’t hardcore simmers at all but instead mostly young experimenting new simmers who just bought the game because they found something in the advertising interesting. They usually play much less then people here do and they only buy something if it looks interesting.
Those simmers are also the reason why EA now regularly releases new content in the free updates because the reason for this clearly is to get lost simmers back to playing the game (and hopefully also buy a little more expansions). EA surely doesn’t use money on such things just to be kind to the few hardcore simmers in this forum ;)
We can guess about the the release day of TS5 all we want. Simmers have always thought that the next Sims game was many years out in the future and become very surprised when EA announced it years before they expected. The reason of course is that simmers always want the current Sims game to be “complete” before EA moves on. But EA has never agreed with this idea and instead just announced the next big Sims game to avoid that sales numbers for new expansion become too low and then released the new game 15 months after the announcement. So I expect EA to announce TS5 in the middle of this year and then release it next year anyway. But you are welcome to believe that EA just will go on releasing 4 SPs, 2 GPs and an EP each year forever until new simmers will have to buy hundreds of such expansions just to get a “complete” Sims 4 game :)
No, I'm concentrating on what I, a Sims 3 player, thinks ;) You were speaking for a group of simmers you don't belong to (people who love and play Sims 3), filling in for them what they would do. I'm one of those players and I can assure you, you are mistaken with your analysis of us. And we may differ in our expectation of the release of the next title, I sure hope you are right and I am not.
I made no analysis of your way of thinking. But you pretend to be able to speak for all the millions of TS3 players who never visited this forum at all. You can’t!
What you still won’t accept is that the few hundred simmers in this forum aren’t just like the millions of simmers who got the game too but rarely (or for most of them likely never) visited a game forum. The simmers in the forum like to speak about their game all the time. But the huge majority of the customers for Sims games don’t and they usually have several other interests too. Therefore they don’t just buy any new Sims game just like you do - and they sure won’t buy a new Sims game if it seems to be just the same as the old Sims game they maybe played less and less a couple of years ago! They need something new in the new game to bring them back - or they won’t buy the new game at all!
EA knows this and therefore always concentrated on bringing something new into the advertising for each new Sims game and EA has during the years cared less and less about the opinions in the forum because the hardcore fans here always seem to just want the same game again and again (in slightly improved versions) because EA disagrees with the forum.
But you're doing the exact that you're accusing @JoAnne65 of doing. You're making assumptions for a large group of people. You can't possibly say a huge majority of whatever group does this or that or will buy this or that, unless you've conducted some sort of poll...of which results I would be interested to see."aricarai;c-16241905" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16241883" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16241871" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16240425" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16240287" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16240176" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16240153" wrote:
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"TheHavocado;c-16240016" wrote:
Well if anything, The Sims 5 should be the new era Sims 2 or a lot of people are going to be dissapointed, especially if they did the lackluster release day again. The Sims 4 Ratings shot down faster than an F-15 during it's first week release, especially when (according to wiki) you consider the fact that "...This was the most successful PC game launch the company had ever had to date".
The Sims games have always had low ratings in the reviews and among other gamers who never have understood why this game got high sales numbers at all when it in their eyes isn’t even a real game but more like a toy for mainly young girls (or a virtual dollhouse).
EA also clearly hadn’t expected TS1 to become successful at all. Therefore the budget for TS1 was very low which meant that its game world became very small and its graphics looked very simple and outdated too. The reasons was that EA only expected a part of the SimCity gamers to buy it. But what EA hadn’t foreseen was that TS1 suddenly attracted millions of young girls who never had played a game before.
TS3 may have had the most successful launch (most copies sold on its release day). But TS1 still sold almost twice as many copies. So TS1 must clearly be the most successful game that EA ever launched.
The high sales numbers for TS3 on day one was caused by the open seamless world. But EA can’t ever get a similar success just by advertising the next Sims game as ”The return of the open world” anyway because the simmers who loved it then most likely will just stay with TS3 instead. So EA needs something new to use in the advertising instead. Maybe it will be something about ”the option to play and cooperate with your friends in the game”.
Why on earth should I continue playing Sims 3 when there would be a new great Sims game with new content and improvements and open world? I’d jump over to that new game immediately. It’s not open world (or CASt) that keeps me playing Sims 3. It’s the lack of a better alternative. I’ve tried the alternative and then returned. There was only one reason for that: while Sims 4 made me constantly go ‘what shal I do now..., oh what shall I do next’, then closing the game after two hours tops, my Sims 3 game sort of plays itself and I only quit because I have to go to bed. If they’d deliver a new game that does that, open world or not, Sims 3 could retire.
I didn’t write that to you and you seem to have misunderstood me.
The reason that I don’t play TS4 isn’t about the missing open world either and we seem to agree about what is wrong with TS4. That wasn’t my point.
But if TS5 is marketed as “a new Sims game similar to Sims 3 and with the open world returning” then it will get low sales numbers and especially if the EPs are just repetions too. Not because you won’t buy it because I am sure that you actually would :) But because most young teens would reject the game. Partly because they won’t like an attempt from EA to revive an old game - and partly because they would have wanted something new instead and think that EA must have run out of ideas :)
For us here in the forum such things aren’t really so important because we are the hardcore fans who most likely will buy almost anything. But for new young simmers without much money and with a lot of other interests too in their lives things are different. They won’t just throw out their sparce money on a game that doesn’t seem to have anything new to offer to them.
I know you didn't directly adress me but regardless, the statement
"But EA can’t ever get a similar success just by advertising the next Sims game as ”The return of the open world” anyway because the simmers who loved it then most likely will just stay with TS3 instead. So EA needs something new to use in the advertising instead."
begged for a reaction, because any simmer who's playing Sims 3 right now will probably confirm what I said. It's your theory EA has to have a brand new selling point to be able to sell the game and heck, for all we know EA agrees with you and thinks so too. I don't agree with that theory though, I don't think that's how it works for simmers. As long as they give us an immersive game that allows us to play with little people in a creative way, we're happy. In fact one of Sims 4's most popular selling claims among fans was 'back to its roots'.
Your theory (and who knows EA's theory) denies the fact that a community and sharing is highly important for simmers. The TS3 section is great, with lovely/sweet people sharing both information and experiences, but we're also sharing history. There is the occasional "Did you know that..." - "No, I didn't! Wow, got to try that!" but for the rest we're all stuck in the past. It's a beautiful past, I love that past, but that doesn't mean I - or anyone else - wouldn't rather move on. Playing Sims 3 has become a shelter, a place to turn to in absence of something better. Suggesting people who play the old games (regardless the version) do so out of lack of a will to move on/adjust/change, means you're shortchanging them and don't understand what they're coming from and it even denies their actual issues in a way.
And that's us oldies. When they'll announce Sims 5 it will be like 2020 earliest. Those young teens you're referring to will be kids who never played Sims 3, nor know the game. Open world will be a brand new concept for them.
The reason why we see things differently is mainly that you concentrate on what the forum here thinks. But by doing this you completely ignore the fact that if only the forum (or even 10 times as many simmers) bought the game then EA wouldn’t be able to support the game anymore without losing hundreds of millions of dollars.
So what EA concentrates about is of course instead the about 6 million other simmers all over the world. Most of those simmers aren’t hardcore simmers at all but instead mostly young experimenting new simmers who just bought the game because they found something in the advertising interesting. They usually play much less then people here do and they only buy something if it looks interesting.
Those simmers are also the reason why EA now regularly releases new content in the free updates because the reason for this clearly is to get lost simmers back to playing the game (and hopefully also buy a little more expansions). EA surely doesn’t use money on such things just to be kind to the few hardcore simmers in this forum ;)
We can guess about the the release day of TS5 all we want. Simmers have always thought that the next Sims game was many years out in the future and become very surprised when EA announced it years before they expected. The reason of course is that simmers always want the current Sims game to be “complete” before EA moves on. But EA has never agreed with this idea and instead just announced the next big Sims game to avoid that sales numbers for new expansion become too low and then released the new game 15 months after the announcement. So I expect EA to announce TS5 in the middle of this year and then release it next year anyway. But you are welcome to believe that EA just will go on releasing 4 SPs, 2 GPs and an EP each year forever until new simmers will have to buy hundreds of such expansions just to get a “complete” Sims 4 game :)
No, I'm concentrating on what I, a Sims 3 player, thinks ;) You were speaking for a group of simmers you don't belong to (people who love and play Sims 3), filling in for them what they would do. I'm one of those players and I can assure you, you are mistaken with your analysis of us. And we may differ in our expectation of the release of the next title, I sure hope you are right and I am not.
I made no analysis of your way of thinking. But you pretend to be able to speak for all the millions of TS3 players who never visited this forum at all. You can’t!
What you still won’t accept is that the few hundred simmers in this forum aren’t just like the millions of simmers who got the game too but rarely (or for most of them likely never) visited a game forum. The simmers in the forum like to speak about their game all the time. But the huge majority of the customers for Sims games don’t and they usually have several other interests too. Therefore they don’t just buy any new Sims game just like you do - and they sure won’t buy a new Sims game if it seems to be just the same as the old Sims game they maybe played less and less a couple of years ago! They need something new in the new game to bring them back - or they won’t buy the new game at all!
EA knows this and therefore always concentrated on bringing something new into the advertising for each new Sims game and EA has during the years cared less and less about the opinions in the forum because the hardcore fans here always seem to just want the same game again and again (in slightly improved versions) because EA disagrees with the forum.
But you're doing the exact that you're accusing @JoAnne65 of doing. You're making assumptions for a large group of people. You can't possibly say a huge majority of whatever group does this or that or will buy this or that, unless you've conducted some sort of poll...of which results I would be interested to see.
Exactly. It's not completely precarious by the way, without literally wanting to speak for millions of other people of course. When Sims 4 was announced, the Sims 4 section flooded with simmers who had been highly disappointed by Sims 3 and joined together to look forward to this brand new Sims game. One thing stood out: that next game had to become everything Sims 2 had been (in detail) and it had to get rid of everything Sims 3 had. That was really the atmosphere back then (no fun for a Sims 3 fan ;)). Which means those players were a. craving for a new game, though most of them were still enjoying Sims 2 at the time, and b. they wanted that game to have the features their favourite version had had. When a Sims 5 will be announced, I can't imagine the Sims 3 loving population won't want it to have open world and CASt. "Neh, never mind, already have that, if that's all I stick with Sims 3. I don't care the new game has better CAS and better build mode and better graphics and sims with better personalities, I'm fine with what I have."- MidnightAura86New Spectator
"Erpe;c-16240176" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16240153" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16240134" wrote:
"TheHavocado;c-16240016" wrote:
Well if anything, The Sims 5 should be the new era Sims 2 or a lot of people are going to be dissapointed, especially if they did the lackluster release day again. The Sims 4 Ratings shot down faster than an F-15 during it's first week release, especially when (according to wiki) you consider the fact that "...This was the most successful PC game launch the company had ever had to date".
The Sims games have always had low ratings in the reviews and among other gamers who never have understood why this game got high sales numbers at all when it in their eyes isn’t even a real game but more like a toy for mainly young girls (or a virtual dollhouse).
EA also clearly hadn’t expected TS1 to become successful at all. Therefore the budget for TS1 was very low which meant that its game world became very small and its graphics looked very simple and outdated too. The reasons was that EA only expected a part of the SimCity gamers to buy it. But what EA hadn’t foreseen was that TS1 suddenly attracted millions of young girls who never had played a game before.
TS3 may have had the most successful launch (most copies sold on its release day). But TS1 still sold almost twice as many copies. So TS1 must clearly be the most successful game that EA ever launched.
The high sales numbers for TS3 on day one was caused by the open seamless world. But EA can’t ever get a similar success just by advertising the next Sims game as ”The return of the open world” anyway because the simmers who loved it then most likely will just stay with TS3 instead. So EA needs something new to use in the advertising instead. Maybe it will be something about ”the option to play and cooperate with your friends in the game”.
Why on earth should I continue playing Sims 3 when there would be a new great Sims game with new content and improvements and open world? I’d jump over to that new game immediately. It’s not open world (or CASt) that keeps me playing Sims 3. It’s the lack of a better alternative. I’ve tried the alternative and then returned. There was only one reason for that: while Sims 4 made me constantly go ‘what shal I do now..., oh what shall I do next’, then closing the game after two hours tops, my Sims 3 game sort of plays itself and I only quit because I have to go to bed. If they’d deliver a new game that does that, open world or not, Sims 3 could retire.
I didn’t write that to you and you seem to have misunderstood me.
The reason that I don’t play TS4 isn’t about the missing open world either and we seem to agree about what is wrong with TS4. That wasn’t my point.
But if TS5 is marketed as “a new Sims game similar to Sims 3 and with the open world returning” then it will get low sales numbers and especially if the EPs are just repetions too. Not because you won’t buy it because I am sure that you actually would :) But because most young teens would reject the game. Partly because they won’t like an attempt from EA to revive an old game - and partly because they would have wanted something new instead and think that EA must have run out of ideas :)
For us here in the forum such things aren’t really so important because we are the hardcore fans who most likely will buy almost anything. But for new young simmers without much money and with a lot of other interests too in their lives things are different. They won’t just throw out their sparce money on a game that doesn’t seem to have anything new to offer to them.
I disagree with this. Open world is a standard In so many games now it’s normal. It’s an expectation if you will. My niece who is 9 plays the Sims now. She has just started getting into it. She has played my sims 3 game and she’s she’s played the sims 4. (I bought her her own sims 4 copy on Console for Christmas) but having said that she prefers the sims 3.
She prefers it because of horses and the fact that she can move around the world swithout loading screens. She gets frustrated at all the loading screens in the sims 4 but you have to remember she is growing up playing many an open world game. She also says all the sims 4 sims Do is talk lol
If EA brought out a sims game and said it was similar to the sims 3 with an open world I think it would do incredibly well and as a sims 3 fan it would pique my interest for sure it’s probably the only thing that would as right now I’m not hopeful for a sims 5.
Plus what is “new”for the series by this point anyway? Four series in and so much has already been covered. That’s one of the reasons every time a “new feature” comes to the sims 4 it has already been done at some point in the series and the sims 4 version tends to be more watered down in some capacity, take cats and dogs and not being able to view any information about them.
There will be teens out there who won’t have played the sims 3. The only reason my niece has is because I have it, had she become a Simmer under her own steam she would never have had the chance. - MidnightAura86New Spectator
"Erpe;c-16242008" wrote:
"MidnightAura;c-16241939" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16240176" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16240153" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16240134" wrote:
"TheHavocado;c-16240016" wrote:
Well if anything, The Sims 5 should be the new era Sims 2 or a lot of people are going to be dissapointed, especially if they did the lackluster release day again. The Sims 4 Ratings shot down faster than an F-15 during it's first week release, especially when (according to wiki) you consider the fact that "...This was the most successful PC game launch the company had ever had to date".
The Sims games have always had low ratings in the reviews and among other gamers who never have understood why this game got high sales numbers at all when it in their eyes isn’t even a real game but more like a toy for mainly young girls (or a virtual dollhouse).
EA also clearly hadn’t expected TS1 to become successful at all. Therefore the budget for TS1 was very low which meant that its game world became very small and its graphics looked very simple and outdated too. The reasons was that EA only expected a part of the SimCity gamers to buy it. But what EA hadn’t foreseen was that TS1 suddenly attracted millions of young girls who never had played a game before.
TS3 may have had the most successful launch (most copies sold on its release day). But TS1 still sold almost twice as many copies. So TS1 must clearly be the most successful game that EA ever launched.
The high sales numbers for TS3 on day one was caused by the open seamless world. But EA can’t ever get a similar success just by advertising the next Sims game as ”The return of the open world” anyway because the simmers who loved it then most likely will just stay with TS3 instead. So EA needs something new to use in the advertising instead. Maybe it will be something about ”the option to play and cooperate with your friends in the game”.
Why on earth should I continue playing Sims 3 when there would be a new great Sims game with new content and improvements and open world? I’d jump over to that new game immediately. It’s not open world (or CASt) that keeps me playing Sims 3. It’s the lack of a better alternative. I’ve tried the alternative and then returned. There was only one reason for that: while Sims 4 made me constantly go ‘what shal I do now..., oh what shall I do next’, then closing the game after two hours tops, my Sims 3 game sort of plays itself and I only quit because I have to go to bed. If they’d deliver a new game that does that, open world or not, Sims 3 could retire.
I didn’t write that to you and you seem to have misunderstood me.
The reason that I don’t play TS4 isn’t about the missing open world either and we seem to agree about what is wrong with TS4. That wasn’t my point.
But if TS5 is marketed as “a new Sims game similar to Sims 3 and with the open world returning” then it will get low sales numbers and especially if the EPs are just repetions too. Not because you won’t buy it because I am sure that you actually would :) But because most young teens would reject the game. Partly because they won’t like an attempt from EA to revive an old game - and partly because they would have wanted something new instead and think that EA must have run out of ideas :)
For us here in the forum such things aren’t really so important because we are the hardcore fans who most likely will buy almost anything. But for new young simmers without much money and with a lot of other interests too in their lives things are different. They won’t just throw out their sparce money on a game that doesn’t seem to have anything new to offer to them.
I disagree with this. Open world is a standard In so many games now it’s normal. It’s an expectation if you will. My niece who is 9 plays the Sims now. She has just started getting into it. She has played my sims 3 game and she’s she’s played the sims 4. (I bought her her own sims 4 copy on Console for Christmas) but having said that she prefers the sims 3.
She prefers it because of horses and the fact that she can move around the world swithout loading screens. She gets frustrated at all the loading screens in the sims 4 but you have to remember she is growing up playing many an open world game. She also says all the sims 4 sims Do is talk lol
If EA brought out a sims game and said it was similar to the sims 3 with an open world I think it would do incredibly well and as a sims 3 fan it would pique my interest for sure it’s probably the only thing that would as right now I’m not hopeful for a sims 5.
Plus what is “new”for the series by this point anyway? Four series in and so much has already been covered. That’s one of the reasons every time a “new feature” comes to the sims 4 it has already been done at some point in the series and the sims 4 version tends to be more watered down in some capacity, take cats and dogs and not being able to view any information about them.
There will be teens out there who won’t have played the sims 3. The only reason my niece has is because I have it, had she become a Simmer under her own steam she would never have had the chance.
Your daughter isn’t typical for two reasons:
1. She already has TS3 and TS4 and therefore doesn’t need to convince her parents (who usually aren’t simmers) to let her get the games. She already has them and knows them.
2. The target group is mainly 10 to 14 years olds who already are quite good readers and therefore can read the texts in the game. But your daughter is likely a little too young for this.
EA has attempted to renew the game and its expansions. But mostly for the sales videos which now are happier than earlier and show a lot of funny behavior. This is intended to sell the game and it seems to work quite well such that TS4 and its expansions now seem to sell as well as TS3 and its expansions did. But we know that the forum users can’t be the reason because a lot of them have stopped playing or returned to TS3. Therefore the reason must be that the young (mainly girls) in the target group wants the game and all its expansions just to try them out and to see all this funny behavior in their own game. They likely just don’t play the game long enough to become bored with all the repetions like most of us here do. Instead they just stop playing for a while when they have seen the things that amuses them and wait for the next free update or expansion. If this wasn’t true then how would you otherwise explain the high sales numbers for TS4 which now even have motivated EA to release two GPs each year instead of only one yearly GP like EA did in the beginning?
If you read my post it’s my niece not my daughter. I don’t have children yet.
Quite good readers and can read text in game? And being too young for this? Erm she Is 9 and while she isn’t an avid reader like I was/am she at 9 years old can understand written text just fine. She has no problems in that area. I’m sorry but your post reads as a little patronising.
But you are right she isn’t typical in that she doesn’t enjoy the sims 4 as much as 3 and is bored by it very quickly by lack of things to do and not being enough deviant play. But that doesn’t mean that every single teenage girl or preteen is happy for shallow do it once and never do it again game play. It’s a huge sweeping generalisation to say that they will pick up a game and play it for a day and then drop it like a stone until the next big exciting comes around. Some may yes. The same way some adults do. But you cannot imply that all teens and in my case preteens are happy for shallow, simplistic game play as if anything else is too difficult for them. "Erpe;c-16242008" wrote:
"MidnightAura;c-16241939" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16240176" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16240153" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16240134" wrote:
"TheHavocado;c-16240016" wrote:
Well if anything, The Sims 5 should be the new era Sims 2 or a lot of people are going to be dissapointed, especially if they did the lackluster release day again. The Sims 4 Ratings shot down faster than an F-15 during it's first week release, especially when (according to wiki) you consider the fact that "...This was the most successful PC game launch the company had ever had to date".
The Sims games have always had low ratings in the reviews and among other gamers who never have understood why this game got high sales numbers at all when it in their eyes isn’t even a real game but more like a toy for mainly young girls (or a virtual dollhouse).
EA also clearly hadn’t expected TS1 to become successful at all. Therefore the budget for TS1 was very low which meant that its game world became very small and its graphics looked very simple and outdated too. The reasons was that EA only expected a part of the SimCity gamers to buy it. But what EA hadn’t foreseen was that TS1 suddenly attracted millions of young girls who never had played a game before.
TS3 may have had the most successful launch (most copies sold on its release day). But TS1 still sold almost twice as many copies. So TS1 must clearly be the most successful game that EA ever launched.
The high sales numbers for TS3 on day one was caused by the open seamless world. But EA can’t ever get a similar success just by advertising the next Sims game as ”The return of the open world” anyway because the simmers who loved it then most likely will just stay with TS3 instead. So EA needs something new to use in the advertising instead. Maybe it will be something about ”the option to play and cooperate with your friends in the game”.
Why on earth should I continue playing Sims 3 when there would be a new great Sims game with new content and improvements and open world? I’d jump over to that new game immediately. It’s not open world (or CASt) that keeps me playing Sims 3. It’s the lack of a better alternative. I’ve tried the alternative and then returned. There was only one reason for that: while Sims 4 made me constantly go ‘what shal I do now..., oh what shall I do next’, then closing the game after two hours tops, my Sims 3 game sort of plays itself and I only quit because I have to go to bed. If they’d deliver a new game that does that, open world or not, Sims 3 could retire.
I didn’t write that to you and you seem to have misunderstood me.
The reason that I don’t play TS4 isn’t about the missing open world either and we seem to agree about what is wrong with TS4. That wasn’t my point.
But if TS5 is marketed as “a new Sims game similar to Sims 3 and with the open world returning” then it will get low sales numbers and especially if the EPs are just repetions too. Not because you won’t buy it because I am sure that you actually would :) But because most young teens would reject the game. Partly because they won’t like an attempt from EA to revive an old game - and partly because they would have wanted something new instead and think that EA must have run out of ideas :)
For us here in the forum such things aren’t really so important because we are the hardcore fans who most likely will buy almost anything. But for new young simmers without much money and with a lot of other interests too in their lives things are different. They won’t just throw out their sparce money on a game that doesn’t seem to have anything new to offer to them.
I disagree with this. Open world is a standard In so many games now it’s normal. It’s an expectation if you will. My niece who is 9 plays the Sims now. She has just started getting into it. She has played my sims 3 game and she’s she’s played the sims 4. (I bought her her own sims 4 copy on Console for Christmas) but having said that she prefers the sims 3.
She prefers it because of horses and the fact that she can move around the world swithout loading screens. She gets frustrated at all the loading screens in the sims 4 but you have to remember she is growing up playing many an open world game. She also says all the sims 4 sims Do is talk lol
If EA brought out a sims game and said it was similar to the sims 3 with an open world I think it would do incredibly well and as a sims 3 fan it would pique my interest for sure it’s probably the only thing that would as right now I’m not hopeful for a sims 5.
Plus what is “new”for the series by this point anyway? Four series in and so much has already been covered. That’s one of the reasons every time a “new feature” comes to the sims 4 it has already been done at some point in the series and the sims 4 version tends to be more watered down in some capacity, take cats and dogs and not being able to view any information about them.
There will be teens out there who won’t have played the sims 3. The only reason my niece has is because I have it, had she become a Simmer under her own steam she would never have had the chance.
Your daughter isn’t typical for two reasons:
1. She already has TS3 and TS4 and therefore doesn’t need to convince her parents (who usually aren’t simmers) to let her get the games. She already has them and knows them.
2. The target group is mainly 10 to 14 years olds who already are quite good readers and therefore can read the texts in the game. But your daughter is likely a little too young for this.
EA has attempted to renew the game and its expansions. But mostly for the sales videos which now are happier than earlier and show a lot of funny behavior. This is intended to sell the game and it seems to work quite well such that TS4 and its expansions now seem to sell as well as TS3 and its expansions did. But we know that the forum users can’t be the reason because a lot of them have stopped playing or returned to TS3. Therefore the reason must be that the young (mainly girls) in the target group wants the game and all its expansions just to try them out and to see all this funny behavior in their own game. They likely just don’t play the game long enough to become bored with all the repetions like most of us here do. Instead they just stop playing for a while when they have seen the things that amuses them and wait for the next free update or expansion. If this wasn’t true then how would you otherwise explain the high sales numbers for TS4 which now even have motivated EA to release two GPs each year instead of only one yearly GP like EA did in the beginning?
Might be me but you are in no way reacting to what @MidnightAura is saying. You even turned her niece into a daughter (9 year olds are good readers in general by the way, though I miss how that's relevant here). I read her comment, then yours, and I don't see any connection between the two.- @Erpe said:
> I made no analysis of your way of thinking. But you pretend to be able to speak for all the millions of TS3 players who never visited this forum at all. You can’t!
Erpe, I realize you're speaking to someone else. But. I've been reading your postings in this thread and I'm struck by the fact that you yourself keep speaking for other people. Including Simmers who visit this forum and the millions who don't, and the game developers. You cannot speak for them anymore than the person to whom you were directing the above statement. Yet you keep generalizing about why people do this and why they do that, and motivations for playing and whatnot, mostly without providing a source for your statements (notice I said "mostly," not "never"). I'm not denying anything you state is true, because I make no claim to know what "millions of Simmers" do either, but I'd sincerely like to know where you're getting your information. From articles? Social media? Seriously. Where?
> What you still won’t accept is that the few hundred simmers in this forum aren’t just like the millions of simmers who got the game too but rarely (or for most of them likely never) visited a game forum.
How do you know this? How do you know how often or not anyone who plays Sims visits a forum? Again, I'm sincerely interested and would like to know statistics.
Thank you, Erpe. "MidnightAura;c-16241939" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16240176" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16240153" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16240134" wrote:
"TheHavocado;c-16240016" wrote:
Well if anything, The Sims 5 should be the new era Sims 2 or a lot of people are going to be dissapointed, especially if they did the lackluster release day again. The Sims 4 Ratings shot down faster than an F-15 during it's first week release, especially when (according to wiki) you consider the fact that "...This was the most successful PC game launch the company had ever had to date".
The Sims games have always had low ratings in the reviews and among other gamers who never have understood why this game got high sales numbers at all when it in their eyes isn’t even a real game but more like a toy for mainly young girls (or a virtual dollhouse).
EA also clearly hadn’t expected TS1 to become successful at all. Therefore the budget for TS1 was very low which meant that its game world became very small and its graphics looked very simple and outdated too. The reasons was that EA only expected a part of the SimCity gamers to buy it. But what EA hadn’t foreseen was that TS1 suddenly attracted millions of young girls who never had played a game before.
TS3 may have had the most successful launch (most copies sold on its release day). But TS1 still sold almost twice as many copies. So TS1 must clearly be the most successful game that EA ever launched.
The high sales numbers for TS3 on day one was caused by the open seamless world. But EA can’t ever get a similar success just by advertising the next Sims game as ”The return of the open world” anyway because the simmers who loved it then most likely will just stay with TS3 instead. So EA needs something new to use in the advertising instead. Maybe it will be something about ”the option to play and cooperate with your friends in the game”.
Why on earth should I continue playing Sims 3 when there would be a new great Sims game with new content and improvements and open world? I’d jump over to that new game immediately. It’s not open world (or CASt) that keeps me playing Sims 3. It’s the lack of a better alternative. I’ve tried the alternative and then returned. There was only one reason for that: while Sims 4 made me constantly go ‘what shal I do now..., oh what shall I do next’, then closing the game after two hours tops, my Sims 3 game sort of plays itself and I only quit because I have to go to bed. If they’d deliver a new game that does that, open world or not, Sims 3 could retire.
I didn’t write that to you and you seem to have misunderstood me.
The reason that I don’t play TS4 isn’t about the missing open world either and we seem to agree about what is wrong with TS4. That wasn’t my point.
But if TS5 is marketed as “a new Sims game similar to Sims 3 and with the open world returning” then it will get low sales numbers and especially if the EPs are just repetions too. Not because you won’t buy it because I am sure that you actually would :) But because most young teens would reject the game. Partly because they won’t like an attempt from EA to revive an old game - and partly because they would have wanted something new instead and think that EA must have run out of ideas :)
For us here in the forum such things aren’t really so important because we are the hardcore fans who most likely will buy almost anything. But for new young simmers without much money and with a lot of other interests too in their lives things are different. They won’t just throw out their sparce money on a game that doesn’t seem to have anything new to offer to them.
I disagree with this. Open world is a standard In so many games now it’s normal. It’s an expectation if you will. My niece who is 9 plays the Sims now. She has just started getting into it. She has played my sims 3 game and she’s she’s played the sims 4. (I bought her her own sims 4 copy on Console for Christmas) but having said that she prefers the sims 3.
She prefers it because of horses and the fact that she can move around the world swithout loading screens. She gets frustrated at all the loading screens in the sims 4 but you have to remember she is growing up playing many an open world game. She also says all the sims 4 sims Do is talk lol
If EA brought out a sims game and said it was similar to the sims 3 with an open world I think it would do incredibly well and as a sims 3 fan it would pique my interest for sure it’s probably the only thing that would as right now I’m not hopeful for a sims 5.
Plus what is “new”for the series by this point anyway? Four series in and so much has already been covered. That’s one of the reasons every time a “new feature” comes to the sims 4 it has already been done at some point in the series and the sims 4 version tends to be more watered down in some capacity, take cats and dogs and not being able to view any information about them.
There will be teens out there who won’t have played the sims 3. The only reason my niece has is because I have it, had she become a Simmer under her own steam she would never have had the chance.
Exactly.
One other thing Erpe fails to understand is that many people both old and young alike who did start with Sims 1 - like me - are still buying the games from each series of The Sims as well. Not because it is a new game - but in fact because it is still THE SIMS. Games series are huge around the globe from all age bracketts - other wise big business companies like EA would not still be producing games in series they started some more than 20 years ago - and the people in huge number - by the millions still buy their own particular series every time a new one comes out.
One thing I notice in almost all series games that have been out for the last 15 or more years everyone always has a certain series number in the ones that came out before and seem to secretly wish they'd get a new version of their favorite. It is human nature of dyed in wool gamers. True gamers are actually more Leary of new games that does not have to do with their fav series games - not clamoring for something that different than the games they love. Kids tend to jump from game to game - or people who are not really considered gamers. Half the time the only way you get gamers to even try a new game that is not one of their fav series - is for the new game to have a lot of elements of the games they already play.
Kids, especially pre-teens and young teens, though often play a game solely for short burst of time as a time filler when they are alone, or as recreation with their friends. They generally like games that are short and can be WON, as kids seem to always be competing against each other - no matter what the game is. They play in short bursts - unlike gamers who seem to actually live to play their fav games.
Mobile and Pop Cap games are excellent types of games for the young kids and young teens. But for serious gamers you want a game that appeals to these people enough to make them want to invest in the longevity of a series - whether it is WOW, CounterStrike, Doom, Half Life, Elderscrolls, Need for Speed, Madden, Fifa, Star Wars, or the Sims - you want serious gamers who love that series enough to buy every single rendition of the game.
The way these games sell by the millions each time a new series comes out tells the truth - that series are very much bought and followed by many of the same people who bought the first one. Obviously if that gamer was a young teen of 14 when say Sims 1 first came out - and they are still buying the Sims - that 14 year old is now 32 - and definitely not a young teen any more."Erpe;c-16242129" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16242034" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16242008" wrote:
"MidnightAura;c-16241939" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16240176" wrote:
"JoAnne65;c-16240153" wrote:
"Erpe;c-16240134" wrote:
"TheHavocado;c-16240016" wrote:
Well if anything, The Sims 5 should be the new era Sims 2 or a lot of people are going to be dissapointed, especially if they did the lackluster release day again. The Sims 4 Ratings shot down faster than an F-15 during it's first week release, especially when (according to wiki) you consider the fact that "...This was the most successful PC game launch the company had ever had to date".
The Sims games have always had low ratings in the reviews and among other gamers who never have understood why this game got high sales numbers at all when it in their eyes isn’t even a real game but more like a toy for mainly young girls (or a virtual dollhouse).
EA also clearly hadn’t expected TS1 to become successful at all. Therefore the budget for TS1 was very low which meant that its game world became very small and its graphics looked very simple and outdated too. The reasons was that EA only expected a part of the SimCity gamers to buy it. But what EA hadn’t foreseen was that TS1 suddenly attracted millions of young girls who never had played a game before.
TS3 may have had the most successful launch (most copies sold on its release day). But TS1 still sold almost twice as many copies. So TS1 must clearly be the most successful game that EA ever launched.
The high sales numbers for TS3 on day one was caused by the open seamless world. But EA can’t ever get a similar success just by advertising the next Sims game as ”The return of the open world” anyway because the simmers who loved it then most likely will just stay with TS3 instead. So EA needs something new to use in the advertising instead. Maybe it will be something about ”the option to play and cooperate with your friends in the game”.
Why on earth should I continue playing Sims 3 when there would be a new great Sims game with new content and improvements and open world? I’d jump over to that new game immediately. It’s not open world (or CASt) that keeps me playing Sims 3. It’s the lack of a better alternative. I’ve tried the alternative and then returned. There was only one reason for that: while Sims 4 made me constantly go ‘what shal I do now..., oh what shall I do next’, then closing the game after two hours tops, my Sims 3 game sort of plays itself and I only quit because I have to go to bed. If they’d deliver a new game that does that, open world or not, Sims 3 could retire.
I didn’t write that to you and you seem to have misunderstood me.
The reason that I don’t play TS4 isn’t about the missing open world either and we seem to agree about what is wrong with TS4. That wasn’t my point.
But if TS5 is marketed as “a new Sims game similar to Sims 3 and with the open world returning” then it will get low sales numbers and especially if the EPs are just repetions too. Not because you won’t buy it because I am sure that you actually would :) But because most young teens would reject the game. Partly because they won’t like an attempt from EA to revive an old game - and partly because they would have wanted something new instead and think that EA must have run out of ideas :)
For us here in the forum such things aren’t really so important because we are the hardcore fans who most likely will buy almost anything. But for new young simmers without much money and with a lot of other interests too in their lives things are different. They won’t just throw out their sparce money on a game that doesn’t seem to have anything new to offer to them.
I disagree with this. Open world is a standard In so many games now it’s normal. It’s an expectation if you will. My niece who is 9 plays the Sims now. She has just started getting into it. She has played my sims 3 game and she’s she’s played the sims 4. (I bought her her own sims 4 copy on Console for Christmas) but having said that she prefers the sims 3.
She prefers it because of horses and the fact that she can move around the world swithout loading screens. She gets frustrated at all the loading screens in the sims 4 but you have to remember she is growing up playing many an open world game. She also says all the sims 4 sims Do is talk lol
If EA brought out a sims game and said it was similar to the sims 3 with an open world I think it would do incredibly well and as a sims 3 fan it would pique my interest for sure it’s probably the only thing that would as right now I’m not hopeful for a sims 5.
Plus what is “new”for the series by this point anyway? Four series in and so much has already been covered. That’s one of the reasons every time a “new feature” comes to the sims 4 it has already been done at some point in the series and the sims 4 version tends to be more watered down in some capacity, take cats and dogs and not being able to view any information about them.
There will be teens out there who won’t have played the sims 3. The only reason my niece has is because I have it, had she become a Simmer under her own steam she would never have had the chance.
Your daughter isn’t typical for two reasons:
1. She already has TS3 and TS4 and therefore doesn’t need to convince her parents (who usually aren’t simmers) to let her get the games. She already has them and knows them.
2. The target group is mainly 10 to 14 years olds who already are quite good readers and therefore can read the texts in the game. But your daughter is likely a little too young for this.
EA has attempted to renew the game and its expansions. But mostly for the sales videos which now are happier than earlier and show a lot of funny behavior. This is intended to sell the game and it seems to work quite well such that TS4 and its expansions now seem to sell as well as TS3 and its expansions did. But we know that the forum users can’t be the reason because a lot of them have stopped playing or returned to TS3. Therefore the reason must be that the young (mainly girls) in the target group wants the game and all its expansions just to try them out and to see all this funny behavior in their own game. They likely just don’t play the game long enough to become bored with all the repetions like most of us here do. Instead they just stop playing for a while when they have seen the things that amuses them and wait for the next free update or expansion. If this wasn’t true then how would you otherwise explain the high sales numbers for TS4 which now even have motivated EA to release two GPs each year instead of only one yearly GP like EA did in the beginning?
Might be me but you are in no way reacting to what @MidnightAura is saying. You even turned her niece into a daughter (9 year olds are good readers in general by the way, though I miss how that's relevant here). I read her comment, then yours, and I don't see any connection between the two.
The Sims games aren’t targeted at 9 years olds. But yes some of them are sometimes good readers but most usually they still read a little slow and have problems with long or unknown words. So in a game like this they will usually attempt to avoid reading more than necessary. But still there are always exceptions - and in both directions. I still remember boys who had problems with reading even when they were a couple of years older.
8-9 years olds can of course play the game with a little help from their parents or from older siblings. But I doubt that many 9 years olds ever will get the game if they don’t have any simmers in their own family because the game is T rated (or 12+ in Europe) and most parents won’t allow their 9 years old to get such a game unless the parents know the game themselves.
Not necessarily true as I give gifts of Sims games to many of the kids in my family whose parents do not play the Sims. As Matriarch of a large family no one questions my judgement and knows I will never send their kids games I feel are bad for their kids. I stand up for the sims games as wonderful teaching tools for kids - and for the point there is no bigotry or bullying in a sims game. It is a good tool for kids to learn how to behave to others, how to run a household and how being a responsible adult outside of their own family and what happens when they fail. Sims 2 was actually the best game as far as a teaching tool for kids from 8-12 even though it is rated 12+ and often the games even some school use for 4th grade Life classes. Most 4th graders are in the 8 - 9 age bracket. My Sister-in-law is a 4th grade Life Studies teacher and she has been using the Sims 2 in her class since 2006. Denise uses the Base game, the Uni game, and the pets game in class.
ETA - Denise is NOT a simmer though - the game is strictly a teaching tool for her.
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