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I guess it started with ECO Lifestyle, or the pack/patch before.
I have played my little community of 70+ households since TS4 release. That is 6 years, and I know these characters pretty well. My imagination goes into this, too, because in my game there is a lot going on that is not featured in the game. Such as my 5 years election. Recently the 5 Councillors were elected. They are all more or less successful politicians or business ppl, most of them from the higher social level.
It's rather disturbing when my group of UNI students visits the Gibbs Hill bar to celebrate that another term is done. Then to find one of the Councilors serving there as a bartender is breaking all my illusions. Edvin Phlum has run a successful business for many years and has now reached the regional Council, which is top of my community. He would NOT serve any bar. And why on earth should he serve a bar in Britechester while he lives at San Myshuno's Uptown? Would make more sense if the game picked a bartender from Britechester, if it is this important for the game to use played sims.
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I have played my little community of 70+ households since TS4 release. That is 6 years, and I know these characters pretty well. My imagination goes into this, too, because in my game there is a lot going on that is not featured in the game. Such as my 5 years election. Recently the 5 Councillors were elected. They are all more or less successful politicians or business ppl, most of them from the higher social level.
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I dislike that the game uses my played sims as working NPCs at community lots","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690327"},"body":"I truly despise that feature.
Once, I saw a Sim that I had created, carefully dressed, built a home for, and provided with a career, sleeping on a bench in Willow Creek Park in a ratty old wifebeater and something that looked like house slippers. I could've sworn that there was a stink cloud and flies circling her head. I nearly rage quit on the spot.
It still hurts my Simmy soul to see Sims what I have created parading around town in the most insane outfits and photobombing my screenshots. I shouldn't have to stop and use MCCC to change Sims back into their regular outfits simply so that I can take a picture. But put my Sims into a job that I didn't give them and you're going to tick me off.
One of the first Sims that I created was a singer/entertainer. She was pretty good at it, too. These days, she's hawking chimichangas or something at a food stall in the Spice District instead of continuing her singing career in Windenburg.
TS4 is beautiful to look at, but most days, it can turn a player's carefully laid out game into hot garbage.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-09-28T17:24:16.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-28T17:24:16.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":2},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:2690326/message:2690327","repliesCount":0,"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1119","rawBody":"I truly despise that feature.
Once, I saw a Sim that I had created, carefully dressed, built a home for, and provided with a career, sleeping on a bench in Willow Creek Park in a ratty old wifebeater and something that looked like house slippers. I could've sworn that there was a stink cloud and flies circling her head. I nearly rage quit on the spot.
It still hurts my Simmy soul to see Sims what I have created parading around town in the most insane outfits and photobombing my screenshots. I shouldn't have to stop and use MCCC to change Sims back into their regular outfits simply so that I can take a picture. But put my Sims into a job that I didn't give them and you're going to tick me off.
One of the first Sims that I created was a singer/entertainer. She was pretty good at it, too. These days, she's hawking chimichangas or something at a food stall in the Spice District instead of continuing her singing career in Windenburg.
TS4 is beautiful to look at, but most days, it can turn a player's carefully laid out game into hot garbage.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2690327_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:114903":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:114903","uid":114903,"login":"logionX","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2014-09-19T16:21:28.926-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://eaavatarservice.akamaized.net/production/avatar/prod/userAvatar/50109594/416x416.PNG"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:12"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:114903"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690328":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2690328","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2690328":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:114903"},"id":"message:2690328","revisionNum":1,"uid":2690328,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2690326"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2690326"},"subject":"Re: I dislike that the game uses my played sims as working NPCs at community lots","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690328"},"body":"Strange, I thought that the game did not do that. I thought it only used sims that were not in your favorite households for NPC roles.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"134","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-09-28T17:28:41.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-28T17:28:41.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":3},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:2690326/message:2690328","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"134","rawBody":"Strange, I thought that the game did not do that. 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Usually the game will leave sims in this tab alone, while every sim in \"Other Households\" is considered an unplayed NPC and open to having their skills changed, relationships erased and jobs reassigned.
Also, the game has a ratio set for unemployed sims vs employed sims (which differs by age group). So for adult sims it's something like 80% employed and 20% unemployed. I found that when I had a lot of sims with jobs I had set, one day I found a whole bunch were randomly switching jobs because the game had made them unemployed.
Both of those things has been in the game since way before Eco Lifestyle. One thing I find immersion breaking is the new tendancy in recent packs to re-use sims for pseudo-jobs (it doesn't change their career, but puts them in a role of an NPC temporarily). Like for Eco Lifestyle, that's the NAP Inspector – there's no actual NPC career for that, it just seems to pick a random unemployed sim. In Get Famous, it does the same thing for bouncers guarding VIP doors. In Island Living, it does that a bunch for island events (but those are usually OK story-wise because it uses island sims \"volunteering\" to do things like run stalls for the community or be a lifeguard).","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-09-28T18:34:47.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-28T18:34:47.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":2},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:2690326/message:2690330","repliesCount":0,"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1362","rawBody":"Have you made sure that all of the sims that you consider \"played\" sims are favourited in Manage Households by clicking the heart button? Usually the game will leave sims in this tab alone, while every sim in \"Other Households\" is considered an unplayed NPC and open to having their skills changed, relationships erased and jobs reassigned.
Also, the game has a ratio set for unemployed sims vs employed sims (which differs by age group). So for adult sims it's something like 80% employed and 20% unemployed. I found that when I had a lot of sims with jobs I had set, one day I found a whole bunch were randomly switching jobs because the game had made them unemployed.
Both of those things has been in the game since way before Eco Lifestyle. One thing I find immersion breaking is the new tendancy in recent packs to re-use sims for pseudo-jobs (it doesn't change their career, but puts them in a role of an NPC temporarily). Like for Eco Lifestyle, that's the NAP Inspector – there's no actual NPC career for that, it just seems to pick a random unemployed sim. In Get Famous, it does the same thing for bouncers guarding VIP doors. In Island Living, it does that a bunch for island events (but those are usually OK story-wise because it uses island sims \"volunteering\" to do things like run stalls for the community or be a lifeguard).","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2690330_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:137113":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:137113","uid":137113,"login":"keekee53","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-06-06T11:36:51.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1721239713000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:13"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:137113"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690331":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2690331","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2690331":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:137113"},"id":"message:2690331","revisionNum":1,"uid":2690331,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2690326"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2690326"},"subject":"Re: I dislike that the game uses my played sims as working NPCs at community lots","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690331"},"body":"
\"Cynna;c-17675482\" wrote: I truly despise that feature. Once, I saw a Sim that I had created, carefully dressed, built a home for, and provided with a career, sleeping on a bench in Willow Creek Park in a ratty old wifebeater and something that looked like house slippers. I could've sworn that there was a stink cloud and flies circling her head. I nearly rage quit on the spot.
It still hurts my Simmy soul to see Sims what I have created parading around town in the most insane outfits and photobombing my screenshots. I shouldn't have to stop and use MCCC to change Sims back into their regular outfits simply so that I can take a picture. But put my Sims into a job that I didn't give them and you're going to tick me off.
One of the first Sims that I created was a singer/entertainer. She was pretty good at it, too. These days, she's hawking chimichangas or something at a food stall in the Spice District instead of continuing her singing career in Windenburg.
TS4 is beautiful to look at, but most days, it can turn a player's carefully laid out game into hot garbage.
\"Cynna;c-17675482\" wrote: I truly despise that feature. Once, I saw a Sim that I had created, carefully dressed, built a home for, and provided with a career, sleeping on a bench in Willow Creek Park in a ratty old wifebeater and something that looked like house slippers. I could've sworn that there was a stink cloud and flies circling her head. I nearly rage quit on the spot.
It still hurts my Simmy soul to see Sims what I have created parading around town in the most insane outfits and photobombing my screenshots. I shouldn't have to stop and use MCCC to change Sims back into their regular outfits simply so that I can take a picture. But put my Sims into a job that I didn't give them and you're going to tick me off.
One of the first Sims that I created was a singer/entertainer. She was pretty good at it, too. These days, she's hawking chimichangas or something at a food stall in the Spice District instead of continuing her singing career in Windenburg.
TS4 is beautiful to look at, but most days, it can turn a player's carefully laid out game into hot garbage.
LOL","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2690331_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:193961":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:193961","uid":193961,"login":"LiELF","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2014-12-04T21:30:47.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://eaavatarservice.akamaized.net/production/avatar/prod/15/489/416x416.JPEG"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:12"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:193961"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690332":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2690332","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2690332":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:193961"},"id":"message:2690332","revisionNum":1,"uid":2690332,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2690326"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2690326"},"subject":"Re: I dislike that the game uses my played sims as working NPCs at community lots","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690332"},"body":"I hate this too, it's very backwards. My Sims get selected for random bartending and yoga positions but when I want to hire them in retail or restaurants I'm not allowed.
Makes zero sense.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"193","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-09-30T07:22:11.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-30T07:22:11.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":3},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:2690326/message:2690332","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"201","rawBody":"I hate this too, it's very backwards. My Sims get selected for random bartending and yoga positions but when I want to hire them in retail or restaurants I'm not allowed.
Makes zero sense.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2690332_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:163261":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:163261","uid":163261,"login":"enigmaoffc","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2020-09-30T04:55:42.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1721239731000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:163261"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690333":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2690333","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2690333":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:163261"},"id":"message:2690333","revisionNum":1,"uid":2690333,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2690326"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2690326"},"subject":"Re: I dislike that the game uses my played sims as working NPCs at community lots","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690333"},"body":"Sorry, but what is situational outfit? Anyway, i really wish they would add a UI to the manage worlds to let us add/remove/edit who we want to be in each npc role and a warning that we can toggle on/off to tell us when one of them is dying so that we can add a new one.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-09-30T08:39:35.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-30T08:39:35.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":3},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:2690326/message:2690333","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"274","rawBody":"Sorry, but what is situational outfit? Anyway, i really wish they would add a UI to the manage worlds to let us add/remove/edit who we want to be in each npc role and a warning that we can toggle on/off to tell us when one of them is dying so that we can add a new one.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2690333_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:10":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:10","position":59,"name":"New Spectator","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:54758":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:54758","uid":54758,"login":"DevSims91","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-07-13T19:18:58.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1721239691000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:10"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:54758"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690334":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2690334","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2690334":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:54758"},"id":"message:2690334","revisionNum":1,"uid":2690334,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2690326"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2690326"},"subject":"Re: I dislike that the game uses my played sims as working NPCs at community lots","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690334"},"body":"I hope Sims 5 or SOMEONE on the Sims 4 team can fix this... Eventually, like I set a sim up as a bartender and I want to play a different family but I see a random sim instead... and if I see Mortimer Goth in a neighborhood where he doesn’t belong doing townie stuff I’m going to crack!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-09-30T15:24:04.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-30T15:24:04.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":2},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:2690326/message:2690334","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"286","rawBody":"I hope Sims 5 or SOMEONE on the Sims 4 team can fix this... Eventually, like I set a sim up as a bartender and I want to play a different family but I see a random sim instead... and if I see Mortimer Goth in a neighborhood where he doesn’t belong doing townie stuff I’m going to crack!","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2690334_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:11503":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:11503","uid":11503,"login":"Karababy52","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2014-07-25T18:33:41.488-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-4.svg?time=1721239543000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:12"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:11503"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690335":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2690335","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2690335":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:11503"},"id":"message:2690335","revisionNum":1,"uid":2690335,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2690326"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2690326"},"subject":"Re: I dislike that the game uses my played sims as working NPCs at community lots","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690335"},"body":"None of my favorited played Sims have ever appeared in NPC roles. However, my own created unplayed but favorited Sims are given NPC roles. Also, favorited premades with real jobs living in their original homes are given NPC roles. I don't think it should happen.
Supposedly Sims favorited by clicking the heart won't be given NPC roles, right? Perhaps I'm mistaken and they're only safe from being culled? Anyway, I rarely see game generated, unplayed, unfavorited townies with interactive NPC roles. They're mostly gardeners, anglers, homeless bench warmers, etc. The only interactive roles I see exclusively for game generated townies is as spellcasters in the Realm.
I'll have to try your suggested fix @jackiejoy Thanks for posting about it. I hope it still works!
I do still have fun playing my vanilla game almost everyday. I try very hard to just ignore it all. But lately, the bugs and basic borked mechanics of the game piling up with no fixes in sight, are pushing me toward using Mods. I shouldn't have to and don't want to do that. But even someone patient and understanding such as myself can only take so much before throwing their hands up to say, \"Enough!\"
I'm living on the edge as Stephen Tyler would say. :|
Happy Simming anyway... <3","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-09-30T17:40:29.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-30T17:40:29.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:2690326/message:2690335","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1331","rawBody":"None of my favorited played Sims have ever appeared in NPC roles. However, my own created unplayed but favorited Sims are given NPC roles. Also, favorited premades with real jobs living in their original homes are given NPC roles. I don't think it should happen.
Supposedly Sims favorited by clicking the heart won't be given NPC roles, right? Perhaps I'm mistaken and they're only safe from being culled? Anyway, I rarely see game generated, unplayed, unfavorited townies with interactive NPC roles. They're mostly gardeners, anglers, homeless bench warmers, etc. The only interactive roles I see exclusively for game generated townies is as spellcasters in the Realm.
I'll have to try your suggested fix @jackiejoy Thanks for posting about it. I hope it still works!
I do still have fun playing my vanilla game almost everyday. I try very hard to just ignore it all. But lately, the bugs and basic borked mechanics of the game piling up with no fixes in sight, are pushing me toward using Mods. I shouldn't have to and don't want to do that. But even someone patient and understanding such as myself can only take so much before throwing their hands up to say, \"Enough!\"
I'm living on the edge as Stephen Tyler would say. :|
Happy Simming anyway... <3 ","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2690335_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690336":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2690336","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2690336":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:21272"},"id":"message:2690336","revisionNum":1,"uid":2690336,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2690326"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2690326"},"subject":"Re: I dislike that the game uses my played sims as working NPCs at community lots","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2690336"},"body":"Just stopping by to say that I figured why my successful business man suddenly appeared as a bar tender. It turned out I edited his household in CAS to add a genetic relative, and unfortunately, when saving a household in CAS the game randomly will add a copy of that household to the bin of \"Other households\". The bartender I saw was not the real business man, but a copy. I just deleted that extra copy.
Now, this explains my original episode, but it raises another question - why on earth (or in SimNation) did EA think it was good idea to place a copy of saved households in that \"other households\" bin? Those sims are used by the game to populate streets and community lots. It's nothing new, and think I started another thread about it earlier. I dislike that as well... Be aware; when you play a sim, and run into someone familiar, it might actually be their copy, not the real sim. That might explain why some relations seem wonky in the relations panel - someone you expected to have a strong relation might turn out not to have met when you switch households.
Thanks for input! ","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-09-30T17:45:17.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-09-30T17:45:17.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":2},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:2690326/message:2690336","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1118","rawBody":"Just stopping by to say that I figured why my successful business man suddenly appeared as a bar tender. It turned out I edited his household in CAS to add a genetic relative, and unfortunately, when saving a household in CAS the game randomly will add a copy of that household to the bin of \"Other households\". The bartender I saw was not the real business man, but a copy. I just deleted that extra copy.
Now, this explains my original episode, but it raises another question - why on earth (or in SimNation) did EA think it was good idea to place a copy of saved households in that \"other households\" bin? Those sims are used by the game to populate streets and community lots. It's nothing new, and think I started another thread about it earlier. I dislike that as well... Be aware; when you play a sim, and run into someone familiar, it might actually be their copy, not the real sim. That might explain why some relations seem wonky in the relations panel - someone you expected to have a strong relation might turn out not to have met when you switch households.
Thanks for input! 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