I know I'm not the first to point out that the people person lifestyle is weirdly easy to get. So far, lifestyles seem to have the kind of problems people thought they would. Some of them happening too much too often, others not happening enough or at all. I actively tried to get Hungry for Love on one of my sims and haven't even reached In Progress, but I got People Person out of nowhere?You could hear this feedback and tune lifestyles endlessly, like whack a mole, the same as what's happened with autonomy and overtuned interactions over the years. I'm sure that would help, but I don't think it quite addresses what is one of the problems here.I read one post where someone was talking about a Loner sim of theirs getting People Person out of the blue. A Loner! It doesn't even make sense. Now maybe you want this to be a sandbox, so it doesn't make sense to completely cut off a Loner from being able to have a People Person lifestyle. Sure there's story potential in strange mashups like that. But people need some control if they're going to have potential for such an odd, potentially personality-breaking combination. What I'm getting to is that I think what lifestyles are missing most is the ability for a given sim to actively choose not to pursue certain lifestyles. And on the flip side, the ability to choose to pursue them, not just through a vague list of behaviors that is supposedly going to fulfill the requirements, but as a manner of focus that makes the lifestyle more likely to attain and less likely to decay over time. This could save a lot of trouble with whack-a-mole. If a lifestyle is a bit overtuned, people could just shut off pursuit of an undesired, overtuned lifestyle for a particular sim. It would still be somewhat organic or entirely organic (if desired).I know there isn't much precedent for going back and changing pack content, but I don't think it's too outlandish to imagine that these were confined to a pack in part as a way to experiment with improvements to personality. So if you choose to do anything like this for base game, please consider some controls on the player end. More controls than just "remove a lifestyle you don't like after the system has already failed you, so it can fail you again." Or at the very least consider more closely the possibility of absurd combinations like a Loner easily getting People Person.

Update: Made an active, concerted, ongoing effort to get Hungry for Love to see how hard it is lol. Even looked stuff up in the code to see what all gives points for it. And I unlocked Indoorsy with 0 effort made before I could even get Hungry for Love to In Progress. Actually, that's not entirely true. I made some effort to avoid Indoorsy after it unlocked In Progress by spending more time Outdoors and it still unlocked anyway. I finally managed to get Hungry for Love to In Progress, but I'm ready to give up actually unlocking it as a lifestyle.I'm skeptical as to whether these were even tested beyond making sure they function. It seems clear that statistically speaking, you're just never going to get certain lifestyles unless you meticulously curate your gameplay and use the lifestyle coach to remove stuff you don't want. I would be more annoyed, but this is more or less exactly what I expected when I saw them in the trailer.And it's not about Hungry for Love, that was just one I wanted to try and was surprised at how hard it was to get. Meanwhile, I unintentionally got Techie to In Progress just from spending a lot of time tinkering and building some parts to try to build one servo (still not even close to building that servo). I assume (I hope) at least some kind of napkin math was done to calculate how hard these would be to get, but whatever was done, is a mess for the standards you'd expect from a paid game. Also, there's a UI bug where an active lifestyle sticks around as Active in the Lifestyles UI even after removing it.I'll bet if you took the In Progress system and changed it to a progress bar, you'd see very quickly how off they are. As it is, as a player it's impossible to tell other than through the kind of experience I had because there is no visible progress information. Short of creating a debug tool to log where the stats are at, I can only guess based on how weirdly quickly some stuff unlocks while others take forever, or never do. I feel like I'm testing beta software playing around with these.

I don't even really get Lifestyles because I never get any though I did one family and it was the People Person. But other then that one I don't understand the Lifestyle part of Snowy Escape.

"pepperjax1230;c-17753449" wrote:I don't even really get Lifestyles because I never get any though I did one family and it was the People Person. But other then that one I don't understand the Lifestyle part of Snowy Escape.Yeah, I get that. I got adrenaline seeker (I think that's what it's called?) and energetic from doing high level snowboarding and skiing and climbing the mountain I think. And then I think I got energetic pretty easily from using the rock climbing wall from fitness pack a lot, probably along with the stuff that gave me adrenaline seeker. Other than that it was like a people person I removed, an indoorsy I removed, finally got hungry for love (lol) after actively trying to get it for a while, and then got techie unintentionally as a 4th one, which I think is a bug. It seems like when you have one, mostly they just act like super moodlets, making your sim have bad ones if they don't do the thing and good ones if they do. Bit shallow if you ask me, but I didn't expect much better. It gives me something to do, which is better than nothing, but I may end up hating it in the long-term if I just end up with stuff I don't want all the time when I likely get tired of maintaining a particular lifestyle.

I keep getting Workaholic, just because my sim goes to work every day. So now when he's at home, he constantly gets the bored moodlet because he's not at work :s I dont want him to be a workaholic! That the world for UI Cheats Extension so I can keep getting rid of the annoying moodlets. He also has the people person one because he has 3 brothers and sisters and a wife and child, and he keeps constantly being sad because the relationships are decaying.... Which then means that because of sentiments, the child sim is constantly sad because he is around someone who is feeling sad..... so now all my sims are generally just sad, or stressed :s :s :s I love the idea of lifestyles and sentiments, but the execution just doesn't really work right in game. I like the idea about being able to pick and choose which ones to aim for or turn off.

I too would appreciate knowing who "slipped through my fingers" ! Hard to guess by scrolling through the lists of relationships and trying to see whose green bar is just slightly lower than friend level.

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TriplisTrip
4 years ago
Update: Made an active, concerted, ongoing effort to get Hungry for Love to see how hard it is lol. Even looked stuff up in the code to see what all gives points for it. And I unlocked Indoorsy with 0 effort made before I could even get Hungry for Love to In Progress. Actually, that's not entirely true. I made some effort to avoid Indoorsy after it unlocked In Progress by spending more time Outdoors and it still unlocked anyway. I finally managed to get Hungry for Love to In Progress, but I'm ready to give up actually unlocking it as a lifestyle.

I'm skeptical as to whether these were even tested beyond making sure they function. It seems clear that statistically speaking, you're just never going to get certain lifestyles unless you meticulously curate your gameplay and use the lifestyle coach to remove stuff you don't want. I would be more annoyed, but this is more or less exactly what I expected when I saw them in the trailer.

And it's not about Hungry for Love, that was just one I wanted to try and was surprised at how hard it was to get. Meanwhile, I unintentionally got Techie to In Progress just from spending a lot of time tinkering and building some parts to try to build one servo (still not even close to building that servo).

I assume (I hope) at least some kind of napkin math was done to calculate how hard these would be to get, but whatever was done, is a mess for the standards you'd expect from a paid game. Also, there's a UI bug where an active lifestyle sticks around as Active in the Lifestyles UI even after removing it.

I'll bet if you took the In Progress system and changed it to a progress bar, you'd see very quickly how off they are. As it is, as a player it's impossible to tell other than through the kind of experience I had because there is no visible progress information. Short of creating a debug tool to log where the stats are at, I can only guess based on how weirdly quickly some stuff unlocks while others take forever, or never do. I feel like I'm testing beta software playing around with these.
pepperjax1230
Rising Novice
4 years ago
I don't even really get Lifestyles because I never get any though I did one family and it was the People Person. But other then that one I don't understand the Lifestyle part of Snowy Escape.
TriplisTrip
4 years ago
"pepperjax1230;c-17753449" wrote:
I don't even really get Lifestyles because I never get any though I did one family and it was the People Person. But other then that one I don't understand the Lifestyle part of Snowy Escape.

Yeah, I get that. I got adrenaline seeker (I think that's what it's called?) and energetic from doing high level snowboarding and skiing and climbing the mountain I think. And then I think I got energetic pretty easily from using the rock climbing wall from fitness pack a lot, probably along with the stuff that gave me adrenaline seeker. Other than that it was like a people person I removed, an indoorsy I removed, finally got hungry for love (lol) after actively trying to get it for a while, and then got techie unintentionally as a 4th one, which I think is a bug.

It seems like when you have one, mostly they just act like super moodlets, making your sim have bad ones if they don't do the thing and good ones if they do. Bit shallow if you ask me, but I didn't expect much better. It gives me something to do, which is better than nothing, but I may end up hating it in the long-term if I just end up with stuff I don't want all the time when I likely get tired of maintaining a particular lifestyle.
asimbsim
4 years ago
I keep getting Workaholic, just because my sim goes to work every day. So now when he's at home, he constantly gets the bored moodlet because he's not at work :s I dont want him to be a workaholic! That the world for UI Cheats Extension so I can keep getting rid of the annoying moodlets. He also has the people person one because he has 3 brothers and sisters and a wife and child, and he keeps constantly being sad because the relationships are decaying.... Which then means that because of sentiments, the child sim is constantly sad because he is around someone who is feeling sad..... so now all my sims are generally just sad, or stressed :s :s :s

I love the idea of lifestyles and sentiments, but the execution just doesn't really work right in game. I like the idea about being able to pick and choose which ones to aim for or turn off.
mightyspritesims
Seasoned Hotshot
4 years ago
I too would appreciate knowing who "slipped through my fingers" ! Hard to guess by scrolling through the lists of relationships and trying to see whose green bar is just slightly lower than friend level.
quedoubleu
4 years ago
I have outdoorsy lifestyle. My Sims live in a tent and do everything outside including computer work (Both are in the programming career). However even outside if they are on the computer they get the bored indoor buff. They are OUTSIDE.
GypsyRozLyn
Seasoned Newcomer
4 years ago
I think the indoor/outdoor lifestyles depend more on what activity is being done because one of my sims has the outdoor one and has that flower bouquet making table and candle making table outdoors, but when she uses them, she gets the bored moodlet from being inside! Makes zero sense. I also have some like cavepeople off he grid and they do have a tiny cave like house, but it is really only used for sleeping - almost everything else they do is outdoors yet one of those sims got the indoor lifestyle - again - makes no sense.
Lulabellexd
4 years ago
I have two sims who are a couple. They run a bakery and have met a lot of people just from talking to customers and they've both gotten the people person lifestyle. I thought this was a good thing at first but unfortunately they keep getting a sad moodlet from "losing connections" and I have no idea who they have lost a friendship with as they know far too many people. How am I meant to remedy this if I don't know it's happening. I feel like a fix for this could be to get a pop up notification saying that they are losing touch with so and so. That way I can then chat with them on the phone or invite them over and keep the friendship up, maybe.

Another issue I have with lifestyles is one of my sims got the outdoorsy lifestyle because she does the gardening. Then she kept getting tense when I got her cooking in the bakery because she wanted to be outside. It got so bad I decided to buy a potion from the reward store to make that lifestyle go poof, but it didn't work. It appeared to have worked because it no longer showed as one of her lifestyles, but she was still getting the bad moodlet from it, so it was like a hidden trait. So, I shift clicked on her and cheated her to have the indoorsy lifestyle, but now she hates even taking the dog for a walk and got an angry moodlet from doing that and gets bored when doing gardening. When I open her sim profile from her husband's sim, it shows her as having both the outdoors and indoors lifestyle, as well as the people person lifestyle. So, I guess the potion didn't work and I don't really know how to even fix this now.

I also keep getting the notification of "lifestyle capped" and I'm not sure what that even means or if I'm supposed to do something about it.
TriplisTrip
4 years ago
"LucyA82;c-17790753" wrote:
I have two sims who are a couple. They run a bakery and have met a lot of people just from talking to customers and they've both gotten the people person lifestyle. I thought this was a good thing at first but unfortunately they keep getting a sad moodlet from "losing connections" and I have no idea who they have lost a friendship with as they know far too many people. How am I meant to remedy this if I don't know it's happening. I feel like a fix for this could be to get a pop up notification saying that they are losing touch with so and so. That way I can then chat with them on the phone or invite them over and keep the friendship up, maybe.

Another issue I have with lifestyles is one of my sims got the outdoorsy lifestyle because she does the gardening. Then she kept getting tense when I got her cooking in the bakery because she wanted to be outside. It got so bad I decided to buy a potion from the reward store to make that lifestyle go poof, but it didn't work. It appeared to have worked because it no longer showed as one of her lifestyles, but she was still getting the bad moodlet from it, so it was like a hidden trait. So, I shift clicked on her and cheated her to have the indoorsy lifestyle, but now she hates even taking the dog for a walk and got an angry moodlet from doing that and gets bored when doing gardening. When I open her sim profile from her husband's sim, it shows her as having both the outdoors and indoors lifestyle, as well as the people person lifestyle. So, I guess the potion didn't work and I don't really know how to even fix this now.

I also keep getting the notification of "lifestyle capped" and I'm not sure what that even means or if I'm supposed to do something about it.

Yes, the whole removal thing has been very buggy for me. I didn't want to post too much about it here, I figured they'd tell me to go to AHQ. But removing or just poofed gone from decay, both seem to be bugged to hell. I've had times where I have more than 3 lifestyles, too, so they either aren't getting removed properly or not getting recognized or something, idk. It may be the same kind of bug as what happens with fame, where sometimes removing it you still get stuff attached to perks you'd had... like I'm pretty sure I've got a game right now where I'm still getting the career offers to join up high level in a career, even though my sim went out of the spotlight long ago.
mightyspritesims
Seasoned Hotshot
4 years ago
@quedoubleu do you have the computer in an outside area that is still under a roof? like to protect it from rain? That still registers as indoors. I have found that a patio registers as outdoors if it doesn't have a roof, even though it is still a "room." But if my outdoorsy sims work on computers out there, they have to remember to put them away afterward, esp if rain is forecast ?