Negative Feedback Thoughts

A noble goal. Don't forget to take into account all the store stuff for TS3 - I've spent too much money there.

I'm actually playing TS3 these days, and it does feel very rough around the edges when one has become used to TS4. In my opinion, EA charges way too much for it nowadays considering its age and considerable amount of script errors. I use NRaas mods to optimize its playability, but still. It's unstable compared to TS4. I have all packs for it except the Katy Perry one. I wasn't playing when it released and it was later made unavailable. Hopefully, that doesn't happen with any TS4 content. It's a completionist's nightmare.

A lot of things should have and could have been fixed in TS3 before it was left. The same thing is happening with TS4. I don't know why fixing is so hard to do. I do know that my husband, who is developing software for welding machines, and his team can take several days sometimes to figure out and fix a bug in their program. When that happens he comes home very exhausted and frustrated. It's probably not much different when working with a game like TS4 which has a lot more programming going on than a welding machine. At some point, it's probably easier to leave some bugs alone (give up, essentially) or try to find an acceptable workaround while adding new content.

I'm not saying this is an amazing strategy, because it's not. But I think it's sometimes the only worthwhile choice. If there is one thing I wish for this franchise, it's that bugfixing becomes more managable and is given higher priority. Something is a little messed up with the current time schedule, though. Three new packs are fired at us rapidly as if in a hurry. Maybe the next Sims game is closer around the corner than we realize. I don't know if I'll ever get into the next game in the series, but at least I can play TS4 without mods as it is. Even if it is a bit boring at times.

Disclaimer: I would like to emphasize that I'm not out to dismiss anyone's feelings :| If it has happened anyway, I genuinely apologize. (Maybe I should put it in my signature)

I think the biggest problem is people are just sick and tired of the game being bugged. It's sad because you get so excited for new content and when you add it or they add a patch for it, many things break, that you would think would have no reason to break.

And then people report the problems over and over and over, the same thing is happening in their game too, but nothing gets resolved. The least they could do on bug fixes is BE MORE TRANSPARENT! Tell people that they are trying to find a solution, it's just taking them awhile to figure out where the kink is in the pipeline that is causing the issue for seemingly unrelated bugs. So in their eyes, they are not listening, the only worry about money and not fixing the game, etc etc.

So, some people have paid literally hundreds of dollars in content and their game is unusable or no longer functions the way that particular pack was supposed to. They need better QA protocols. Why not let some people in the community be your testers prior to release? Give them a copy of the pack for a limited number of hours to play then disable it to let them play thru it and then report back?

Here's the problem. Many people come here to talk about the fun times they're having in TS4, yet when you look at the board, more than half of the threads are complaint threads. IT'S TOO MUCH. It ruins the collective mood for everyone else.

If people want to complain, that's fine...but can't we limit it to just a handful of threads instead of filling the board with them?

"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17642561" wrote:
Here's the problem. Many people come here to talk about the fun times they're having in TS4, yet when you look at the board, more than half of the threads are complaint threads. IT'S TOO MUCH. It ruins the collective mood for everyone else.

If people want to complain, that's fine...but can't we limit it to just a handful of threads instead of filling the board with them?

Sometime there are only 3 of them at most at any given page of General Sims 4 Discussion and the rest are normal discussion topic, unless you knew very well that it's a complain thread and yet you still click on it.

I agree with @Nate_Whiplash1

They combine a lot into one thread that is positive. In another thread we were discussing positive threads being plowed over with negative comments and then they get closed. If a thread is named anything positive it seems to attract haters and this brings it to a close. Some of the stuff in the general discussion area should actually be moved to feedback or other areas. Anything about EA or Maxis should be in feedback.

I have a hard time understanding why someone would intentionally interject or derail a positive or upbeat thread just to close it down. Users have admitted to doing this because they have a right to free speech. So do the users that want positive or upbeat threads. I feel that there in no where to have a positive thread that's not about cake or "who should my Sim marry" kind of threads.

"AnnLee87;c-17642591" wrote:
I agree with @Nate_Whiplash1

They combine a lot into one thread that is positive. In another thread we were discussing positive threads being plowed over with negative comments and then they get closed. If a thread is named anything positive it seems to attract haters and this brings it to a close. Some of the stuff in the general discussion area should actually be moved to feedback or other areas. Anything about EA or Maxis should be in feedback.

I have a hard time understanding why someone would intentionally interject or derail a positive or upbeat thread just to close it down. Users have admitted to doing this because they have a right to free speech. So do the users that want positive or upbeat threads. I feel that there in no where to have a positive thread that's not about cake or "who should my Sim marry" kind of threads.

You are both right in my eyes. I'm really new to the forums, just started coming around before Nifty Knitting dropped. And I have seen in almost every single thread people are bashing this person for their thoughts or complaints which escalates and derails the entire thread.

And I totally agree that a LOT of topics need to be put somewhere else.

Maybe they need a "Talk about Packs - Negative Thoughts", "Talk about Packs - Positive Thoughts" section.

There are like 25 different threads about SW on here, (some in General Chat, some in Feedback, some under Pack Discussion) and some are basically the same topic and there's the same people picking fights with the same people over the same thing in each thread. It's insane!

I haven't been around long, so I'm wondering if it's always like this with each pack or is it especially bad because it's a SW pack?

@Chicklet453681 It's like this for just about all packs. Maybe not Seasons or Parenthood, but yeah. I welcome any pack. I may not like it but I can always find something in build/buy or CAS to like. It's too soon for me to know if I like SW because I have not seen it in action but I want the build items. I will find out more if they do a live stream.

I feel like forums has become the Sims MMO in a way. Anyways good article about difference between negative and toxic behavior:
https://hybrid.co.id/post/toxic-behavior-in-online-gaming-is-it-necessary

Good rule of thumb I've learned is if someone can't pass the The Equal Employment Opportunity Act with their behavior and admit to not playing well with others, best to remove them from your life. My dad was a scuba instructor and said if someone is trying to drown you, kick them off. Always helped me when working with the state when dealing with people who can honestly be the most toxic and we are trained on how to deal with it which in some cases is not to feed the trolls. Forums has been a great training ground for professional work and I have learned a lot about customer service with it. Constructive feedback is good for any gaming company. Just when protesting happens with the Sims 4 that things become problematic with the witch hunts.

"Nate_Whiplash1;c-17642561" wrote:
Here's the problem. Many people come here to talk about the fun times they're having in TS4, yet when you look at the board, more than half of the threads are complaint threads. IT'S TOO MUCH. It ruins the collective mood for everyone else.

If people want to complain, that's fine...but can't we limit it to just a handful of threads instead of filling the board with them?

This. The only reason I joined this forum in the first place was to share ts4 love, joy, adventures and woes. And read of others. To vent when sims drive me crazy in a way only simmers can understand.

But instead everyday I come it's just threads of increasing negativity one after another over and over never ending on and on forever and ever a torturous ending with no end to it until it becomes like this annoying run on sentence you just read.

I'm okay with feedback and criticism,that's natural. But when you just consistantly find things to be angry about, nit picking every little thing, speaking ill of the gurus with no regards to how they might feel, and saying they should loose their job during a pandemic it's heart breaking. They are real people with feelings. This is just a game.

Ts4 will NEVER be ts3 and simmers don't want to accept that. ?

I used to belong to a different forum that had a separate criticism section. The no criticism rule in other sections of the forum was strictly enforced, and people could be suspended for breaking that rule. I know a lot of people here would hate that, but it actually worked quite well.