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timzed_user
7 years ago

Opinion Rant: I think I just found a reasonable reason why we are not getting Snow Depth.

"I changed the title to a new one because I just realized what I am really about to say"

All of these are just my opinion, I just want y'all to know that I'm just being optimistic on this EP.
But it doesn't mean the fact that others should do too. I noticed that almost all of the people here are attacking me or disagreeing with me.

Latest Edit: TBH I did get disappointed of having no snow depth on the upcoming EP in the first place. It's one of things that I always expecting in Seasons EP. But it's "the Sims 4" (The dark ages of the sims". LOL. But I just realized that the cons are cooler than pros. But that's my choice and opinion. I'm still open to all of the opinions of yours. Also, I am already used to this lackness in the Sims 4. But I'm OK with it.


This is my comments and reply to another sim community website but'll just gonna share it to you.

I'm OK with no snow depth because I only think that they are just for visuals, much more like what they did in City Living (the backdrops), you haven't gotten any game changing activities and gameplay at all, which is so lame for me for an expansion.

I think they did a good decision to focus more on all four seasons and activities rather than snow depth.Snow isn't just the best in seasons, a lot of people like summer activities too!

These new features will add more realistic vibe in the game. And that is really cool!

PLUS: If we ever get a Vacation Type game pack in the future, I'm sure they'll integrate sunburns with seasons, duh.

And also please don't be disappointed with the "no snow depth" in seasons, cebause there will be new and cool things that will be added in the game and first time in the Sims Franchise like the 'thermostat" and many more...

Then, Someone Replied

The problem is that they should not be making any sacrifices. This is the 4th generation for God's sake. They always have to sacrifice something that we've had in the past. It was the same thing with Cats & Dogs, and at the end it didn't pay off, as always. We've seen it before we know how the story goes... "Hey we decided to cut this to add these" but at the end it's not worth it... You'll see :)

Then, I Said:

Sims 4 Has a New Game ENGINE which is entirely different from the Sims 3. Sims 4 has more advance tools and AI (does Sims 3 have that?) Plus they've created the sims 4 so complicated: Even the devs. find the 'coding" so difficult. You can't just add Sims 3 Codes in an entirely different game file.

The reason why some features didn't make it to the game is that the dev. genuinely can't do it. They Will if they Can. Plus budget and limited time is their number one problem.

In conclusion, the team is trying their best to satisfy the players by giving us cool features and entirely new gameplay.

As i said if we'll have actualy snow depth in snow, that'll be totally like the backdrops in CITY living. Our eyes will be satisfied by that. But a lot of people hated it. And as D********e said (below), people wanted actual gamechaning gameplay and interactions, unlike what City Living DID!!!

Question: Do you like to have the VISUALLY APPEALING snow depth while the world will look so dull, no new features like thermostat, no integration with the other packs, no Custom Holidays (which is new to the game). And even the worst, the EP will introduce a new world but seasons will only be confined in that world and not to the others. Do you want that?


EDIT:

I think the only reason why we didn't get any snow depth is that it will require more work and and time to completely do it. As far as we know, they have revamped or changed every objects in the world four times for every seasons. I think there are about 10 Worlds in the game so far (exluciding hidden and and active career worlds from GTW) and a total of 4-5 neighborhoods on each world i think. Yup. they have to do it on each neighborhood. Yeah, that's a lot work and time.

You know that the worlds in the game is completely different from the sims 3. right?. You cannot just change each world in a single work. Because, yeah it ain't open world my friend. There are many neighborhoods in each world as has different appeaarance|structure and game file for each of this.

Starting from the trees, to plants, to ground, the backdrops, and all other things in the game. Yup, they've revamped all that 4 TIMEs. I may not be good in Mathematics but I think they'll have to do the work all over again for an estimated times of 200 times. Yes, you heard it. Snow depth will only make it more needs of time and effort.

Plus, if we are ever gonna get snowdepth in the game, then we may not be getting seasons this soon after all. And then a lot of people wil start to complain, "Whey they didn't just wanna give us what we want, SEASONS". This restlessness I see on these people is I think the reason is why they've prioritize this.

A lot of people will be askin', "Why didn't they just add an overlay of thick snow in each world". As I just said, each world has also 5 neighborhoods, that will be so ambitious.

I've just happy (for me) that SEASONS is finally here and are getting it in less than a month. And another plus i think, if we'r ever gonna get seasons with snow depth, and then they'' cut off ,, ummm "many activities maybe" or maybe for sure. Then they'll be mad again and I think that is really bad and worse is BS.

This was a screenshot that was tweeted last night 4:00 AM in our country (7 PM in US EST). In case if you didn't know, they've also revampedthe this world from GTW which has been here for like 4 years ago.

https://simsvip.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Deoj5Y3UcAA6Xk2-1.jpg


The Only Answer to This Issue is the simplest of them all, "Time and Effort, ..... plus Money", yup, I'm not kidding

People Can't be Contented, Life Finds a Way. (jurassic world fallen kingdom LOL hahaha, i'm just excited for this and the EP, cause they are launching and the same date, JUNE 22 )

EDIT: June, 7 2018

I know that this'll gonna be off topic cebause I don't want to make another thread about the snow depth, But here it is!

Comparing this image of leaf piles from the two games, really explains a lot to me and answered most of my questions regarding TS4 itself.

https://scontent.fmnl13-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34674484_1042575639252349_4421938705502044160_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHdmopa3diubAYp167dAYf4mUjvJUYRA8qyAEOa19oq1mh86BFA2nG5YyRa_BPftWr65tfzjYL8VE1udqAoUoyPWG7DWE4P5_9twc4bGBCnEQ&oh=a79f8cc0ee8b1b4788dd77517497ed73&oe=5BB27D2B

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  • Erpeerpe's avatar
    Erpeerpe
    7 years ago
    "Drearydeary;c-16526758" wrote:

    I suspected that. But deep snow is way too expensive for EA to make unless it can be sold for real money. Otherwise EA would have included it in the Seasons EP which they also considered. But they assessed that it would be a huge work which they therefore chose to do on other things instead.


    I read all the reasons why they decided to not have snow depth, I just can't accept that "it would be to expensive" as a reason because it's not like they would be hurting for money. To me that just sounds like the turn around for money wouldn't be as big which I don't like. Your entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, the only reason I want to state mine is because I'm a huge fan of the sims since the sims 1 and I hope that by stating my concerns they can be heard to make the game better.

    The general problem is that EA can’t increase the price for the EP even if EA puts twice as much content into it as their was in the Sims 3 version of Seasons. Therefore EA has to choose between:
    1. Make Seasons for the Sims 4 very close to be a copy of Seasons for the Sims 3.
    2. Replace some of the content in Seasons for Sims 3 with new content.

    But option 1 would likely be critizised a lot too and fewer would buy the EP because they would feel that they just as well could play Seasons for the Sims 3 if they have this EP. Therefore EA chose option 2. But simmers don’t like to see something from the earlier version of Seasons removed. The devs just chose to do it anyway because they knew that just adding deep snow once more wouldn’t satisfy people as much as new content likely would.

    P. S. I can't quote properly because I'm a new member and it won't allow me to yet

    I know :)
  • ayyitsmell's avatar
    ayyitsmell
    Rising Ace
    7 years ago
    I respect people's opinions, and I understand where some of them might be coming from.

    I'm usually one of those people who get excited to see if something comes back in this game, and kind of gets bummed if it doesn't. I'm a huge fan of the Sims, so it is hard to not compare the games, but I realize that not every game will be the same. Sims 2 and Sims 3 were completely different. I don't expect Sims 4 to try to follow exactly every detail they did in a previous pack. However, I still make suggestions and express my opinions.

    I do tend to relate the Sims 4 to previous series because it is what I'm familiar with and there are still things from previous packs that I think could be valuable in the Sims 4 (like a pack similar to Sims 2 Freetime please), but It's also exciting to get new content that we haven't had in previous series. I was a bit bummed about 'no hail' though. However, I wouldn't consider 'no hail' or 'no snow depth' a huge problem for me, as I'm mostly concerned about gameplay. I always look for new things to do. For others, snow (or realism/visuals in general) was probably a huge deal so I understand if they're upset. It is okay for them to rant as they please. If they don't want to buy the game, it's up to them if they don't want to. I believe they spent their time and resources creating amazing visuals, adding new content like the calendar, thermostat, kiddie pools, scouts, and adding other content from previous packs that people have also requested, like flower arranging, bee keepers, ice/rollerskating, etc. From what I understand, there is some depth, just not up to your knees. There are also blizzards. They still get to do interactions in the snow, like building a snowman, making snowangels, and you can also see footprints and paw prints, which kind of gives some illusion of depth as well.

    There will always be pros and cons with these games but so far, from the sneak peeks, I'm loving the pack already and I can't wait for it to come out. Seasons is usually a huge game changer in any Sims series and the weather aspect on its own just adds more realism to the game already, in my opinion. So, If it were up to me, I'd still give it a chance since there are things that came back to the sims 4 as well as things that I don't think have ever been done before. o:)
  • SimzSizzle's avatar
    SimzSizzle
    7 years ago
    "Erpe;c-16526885" wrote:
    "Drearydeary;c-16526758" wrote:

    I suspected that. But deep snow is way too expensive for EA to make unless it can be sold for real money. Otherwise EA would have included it in the Seasons EP which they also considered. But they assessed that it would be a huge work which they therefore chose to do on other things instead.


    I read all the reasons why they decided to not have snow depth, I just can't accept that "it would be to expensive" as a reason because it's not like they would be hurting for money. To me that just sounds like the turn around for money wouldn't be as big which I don't like. Your entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, the only reason I want to state mine is because I'm a huge fan of the sims since the sims 1 and I hope that by stating my concerns they can be heard to make the game better.

    The general problem is that EA can’t increase the price for the EP even if EA puts twice as much content into it as their was in the Sims 3 version of Seasons. Therefore EA has to choose between:
    1. Make Seasons for the Sims 4 very close to be a copy of Seasons for the Sims 3.
    2. Replace some of the content in Seasons for Sims 3 with new content.

    But option 1 would likely be critizised a lot too and fewer would buy the EP because they would feel that they just as well could play Seasons for the Sims 3 if they have this EP. Therefore EA chose option 2. But simmers don’t like to see something from the earlier version of Seasons removed. The devs just chose to do it anyway because they knew that just adding deep snow once more wouldn’t satisfy people as much as new content likely would.

    P. S. I can't quote properly because I'm a new member and it won't allow me to yet

    I know :)


    commenting on the bolded part of your comment
    huh ?
    It used to cost 39.99 ( somewhere around that ballpark)
    Now it and all the other expansion packs cost
  • ClassicalSim1's avatar
    ClassicalSim1
    Seasoned Ace
    7 years ago
    "SimzSizzle;c-16594016" wrote:
    "Erpe;c-16526885" wrote:
    "Drearydeary;c-16526758" wrote:

    I suspected that. But deep snow is way too expensive for EA to make unless it can be sold for real money. Otherwise EA would have included it in the Seasons EP which they also considered. But they assessed that it would be a huge work which they therefore chose to do on other things instead.


    I read all the reasons why they decided to not have snow depth, I just can't accept that "it would be to expensive" as a reason because it's not like they would be hurting for money. To me that just sounds like the turn around for money wouldn't be as big which I don't like. Your entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, the only reason I want to state mine is because I'm a huge fan of the sims since the sims 1 and I hope that by stating my concerns they can be heard to make the game better.

    The general problem is that EA can’t increase the price for the EP even if EA puts twice as much content into it as their was in the Sims 3 version of Seasons. Therefore EA has to choose between:
    1. Make Seasons for the Sims 4 very close to be a copy of Seasons for the Sims 3.
    2. Replace some of the content in Seasons for Sims 3 with new content.

    But option 1 would likely be critizised a lot too and fewer would buy the EP because they would feel that they just as well could play Seasons for the Sims 3 if they have this EP. Therefore EA chose option 2. But simmers don’t like to see something from the earlier version of Seasons removed. The devs just chose to do it anyway because they knew that just adding deep snow once more wouldn’t satisfy people as much as new content likely would.

    P. S. I can't quote properly because I'm a new member and it won't allow me to yet

    I know :)


    commenting on the bolded part of your comment
    huh ?
    It used to cost 39.99 ( somewhere around that ballpark)
    Now it and all the other expansion packs cost


    FYI: That price increase was due to an increase in exchange rates in different countries. In the United States, where Maxis is located, the price for expansion packs remains the same, $39.99. Here's a short article by EA that gives a brief explanation:

    https://help.ea.com/en-us/help/the-sims/the-sims-4/the-sims-4-extra-content-price-changes/
  • SimzSizzle's avatar
    SimzSizzle
    7 years ago
    "ClassicalSim;c-16594033" wrote:
    "SimzSizzle;c-16594016" wrote:
    "Erpe;c-16526885" wrote:
    "Drearydeary;c-16526758" wrote:

    I suspected that. But deep snow is way too expensive for EA to make unless it can be sold for real money. Otherwise EA would have included it in the Seasons EP which they also considered. But they assessed that it would be a huge work which they therefore chose to do on other things instead.


    I read all the reasons why they decided to not have snow depth, I just can't accept that "it would be to expensive" as a reason because it's not like they would be hurting for money. To me that just sounds like the turn around for money wouldn't be as big which I don't like. Your entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, the only reason I want to state mine is because I'm a huge fan of the sims since the sims 1 and I hope that by stating my concerns they can be heard to make the game better.

    The general problem is that EA can’t increase the price for the EP even if EA puts twice as much content into it as their was in the Sims 3 version of Seasons. Therefore EA has to choose between:
    1. Make Seasons for the Sims 4 very close to be a copy of Seasons for the Sims 3.
    2. Replace some of the content in Seasons for Sims 3 with new content.

    But option 1 would likely be critizised a lot too and fewer would buy the EP because they would feel that they just as well could play Seasons for the Sims 3 if they have this EP. Therefore EA chose option 2. But simmers don’t like to see something from the earlier version of Seasons removed. The devs just chose to do it anyway because they knew that just adding deep snow once more wouldn’t satisfy people as much as new content likely would.

    P. S. I can't quote properly because I'm a new member and it won't allow me to yet

    I know :)


    commenting on the bolded part of your comment
    huh ?
    It used to cost 39.99 ( somewhere around that ballpark)
    Now it and all the other expansion packs cost


    FYI: That price increase was due to an increase in exchange rates in different countries. In the United States, where Maxis is located, the price for expansion packs remains the same, $39.99. Here's a short article by EA that gives a brief explanation:

    https://help.ea.com/en-us/help/the-sims/the-sims-4/the-sims-4-extra-content-price-changes/


    okay glad you cleared that up for me, I was wanting to get it but thought that 51.99 was the cost in US
    Now I can get it, yay !
  • barisaxy's avatar
    barisaxy
    New Ace
    7 years ago
    The lack of snow depth in The Sims 4 Seasons is pretty unforgivable... BUT it's odd, because there actually are visual tradeoffs here. It wasn't just a copy and paste of The Sims 3 Seasons visually just without snow depth. They put a lot of detail into the aesthetics of seasons that have never been done before. The changing of terrain from season to season. The changing of non-tree plants from season to season. These two details are probably overlooked by a lot of simmers, but they are MAJOR. And I'll gladly take those details over even snow depth any day.

    Winters in The Sims 4 actually look like winter, even without snow.

    https://i.imgur.com/Cv0ISyD.jpg

    I'm not saying it was these details that made them not go for snow depth. I can't claim to know one way or the other. But honestly if it was, I'll take this over snow depth. It bothers me so much more to have green, flowery winters like in The Sims 2 and 3 than not having snow depth. But snow depth really should be there, though, come on EA.
  • astridentanja's avatar
    astridentanja
    7 years ago
    "BariSaxy;c-16594087" wrote:
    The lack of snow depth in The Sims 4 Seasons is pretty unforgivable... BUT it's odd, because there actually are visual tradeoffs here. It wasn't just a copy and paste of The Sims 3 Seasons visually just without snow depth. They put a lot of detail into the aesthetics of seasons that have never been done before. The changing of terrain from season to season. The changing of non-tree plants from season to season. These two details are probably overlooked by a lot of simmers, but they are MAJOR. And I'll gladly take those details over even snow depth any day.

    Winters in The Sims 4 actually look like winter, even without snow.

    https://i.imgur.com/Cv0ISyD.jpg

    I'm not saying it was these details that made them not go for snow depth. I can't claim to know one way or the other. But honestly if it was, I'll take this over snow depth. It bothers me so much more to have green, flowery winters like in The Sims 2 and 3 than not having snow depth. But snow depth really should be there, though, come on EA.

    The winters in my Sims 3 game are completely white. Everything’s covered. Which is why I don’t mind the flowers. Being all white they look like leaves to me. And trees do react to the seasons.
  • barisaxy's avatar
    barisaxy
    New Ace
    7 years ago
    "JoAnne65;c-16599199" wrote:
    "BariSaxy;c-16594087" wrote:
    The lack of snow depth in The Sims 4 Seasons is pretty unforgivable... BUT it's odd, because there actually are visual tradeoffs here. It wasn't just a copy and paste of The Sims 3 Seasons visually just without snow depth. They put a lot of detail into the aesthetics of seasons that have never been done before. The changing of terrain from season to season. The changing of non-tree plants from season to season. These two details are probably overlooked by a lot of simmers, but they are MAJOR. And I'll gladly take those details over even snow depth any day.

    Winters in The Sims 4 actually look like winter, even without snow.

    https://i.imgur.com/Cv0ISyD.jpg

    I'm not saying it was these details that made them not go for snow depth. I can't claim to know one way or the other. But honestly if it was, I'll take this over snow depth. It bothers me so much more to have green, flowery winters like in The Sims 2 and 3 than not having snow depth. But snow depth really should be there, though, come on EA.

    The winters in my Sims 3 game are completely white. Everything’s covered. Which is why I don’t mind the flowers. Being all white they look like leaves to me. And trees do react to the seasons.


    That's the thing, unless you live in certain locations IRL, winters will not always be full of snow with snow covering everything straight from Fall to Spring. I really don't like this idea that the snow is supposed to make up for all of the lack of detail put into this area in The Sims 3. The Sims 3 is supposed to be the game where all of this attention to detail is put and somehow they missed this in TS3 and it has always been a BIG deal to me. To me it is a major aesthetic failure, on the same level - if not worse - as the lack of snow depth in TS4.

    Sorry, but those don't look like leaves to me:

    https://i.imgur.com/UNatsOR.jpg

    Winter is so much more than snow, and in The Sims 4 they finally got that.
  • Belladonna74's avatar
    Belladonna74
    7 years ago
    > @Shadowmarked said:
    > x_Always_Heart_x wrote: »
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    > Imagine refusing to buy a game bc you can’t watch pixel snow accumulate on screen...
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    > Well it is their money and if they don't feel like the ep is worth it (ie snow is basically why they wanted seasons) than that is 100% their choice. Not a single person here owes EA anything.
    > No, but EA owes us a game that's worth £35 - I'd be pissed off if I'd paid £10 for this! EA is one of the biggest games companies on the planet, and it treats its players with utter contempt - and I'm fecking sick of it! 4 Seasons is not a patch on 3 - in fact TS4 isn't a patch on 3, full fecking stop! The base game was in no way worth the £50 I paid, and £20 for a game pack and £15 for a stuff pack is taking the fecking piss.
    > I'm not bothered by the snow but I get the idea behind it, uncontrollable pets and unbuildable apartments were deal breakers for me in the past. I respect that for some people the snow in this is my uncontrollable pets, I can even get what some of them are saying when they say its a big deal for them.
    >
    > Honestly I would be more confused about someone buying something they didn't like just because they can.

    You what…?! Read that 4 times and it makes precisely feck all sense. How does someone know they're not going to like something before they've bought it…?!

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