Sims 4's development is ending?

> @BeJaWa said:
> It was nice that you could add multiple of said subhoods. Nightlife made it almost impossible to run out of space to build/live in.

To be fair, each time an expansion comes out in Sims 4 that involves a world, that world is added to the save, so at least it's better than in Sims 3 in that regard (talking without mods of course).

I did love that option in Sims 2 though of adding new worlds on a whim, but at least as Sims 4 continues to grow, the world will get bigger anyway.

"silentunion;c-16329645" wrote:
> @BeJaWa said:
> It was nice that you could add multiple of said subhoods. Nightlife made it almost impossible to run out of space to build/live in.

To be fair, each time an expansion comes out in Sims 4 that involves a world, that world is added to the save, so at least it's better than in Sims 3 in that regard (talking without mods of course).

I did love that option in Sims 2 though of adding new worlds on a whim, but at least as Sims 4 continues to grow, the world will get bigger anyway.

It does and doesn't.
I like that all worlds are fluid but they do not feel reasonably close to me so each actual world feels quite small when I am playing.
For me when playing, Windenburg just doesn't seem at all like oasis springs so having access to oasis springs feels more of like a vacation point for my sims living in Windedburg.

With ts2 I could add a lot of downtown's and keep them feelings relatively close and if I really wanted to could add ones that were vastly different with the map maker. Ts2 truly added to the existing world, ts4 adds other worlds.

If in ts4 I could change backdrops of worlds I might be happier, but as it stands all the expansions worlds fell to isolated for me and individually have too limited space (Especailly when trying to build worlds up like I do.)

@BeJaWa

Perhaps, and I too have felt Oasis Springs feels out of place at times for immersive purposes. I've actually felt that, aside from Oasis Springs though, I almost like to think of most of the worlds as one big town with perhaps some areas being a little more "farther away". Oasis Springs could almost be like the desert in Stardew Valley if you ever played that. Perhaps there's a mountain range (the one with the Vampires) in between that makes the other side "drier".

On the flip side, a lot of downtowns also means a lot of the same map, which I found bugged me a bit in the Sims 2, so there's positives and negatives with both ideas really. Although, eventually there were quite a few different maps that could be used to alleviate that. I found after having that in Sims 2, to not have that in Sims 3 actually made me stop playing Sims 3 for quite a while.

While I don't think the Sims 4 is going to completely cover what you could do in that regard to Sims 2, I still think at least that aspect of it "one-ups" Sims 3 (even if the neighbourhoods are smaller).

"silentunion;c-16329684" wrote:
@BeJaWa

Perhaps, and I too have felt Oasis Springs feels out of place at times for immersive purposes. I've actually felt that, aside from Oasis Springs though, I almost like to think of most of the worlds as one big town with perhaps some areas being a little more "farther away". Oasis Springs could almost be like the desert in Stardew Valley if you ever played that. Perhaps there's a mountain range (the one with the Vampires) in between that makes the other side "drier".

On the flip side, a lot of downtowns also means a lot of the same map, which I found bugged me a bit in the Sims 2, so there's positives and negatives with both ideas really. Although, eventually there were quite a few different maps that could be used to alleviate that. I found after having that in Sims 2, to not have that in Sims 3 actually made me stop playing Sims 3 for quite a while.

While I don't think the Sims 4 is going to completely cover what you could do in that regard to Sims 2, I still think at least that aspect of it "one-ups" Sims 3 (even if the neighbourhoods are smaller).

You could create any map you wanted for a downtown. Ts2 had a create a map system in the game that let you chose terrain types and styles. So it could be different if you chose (Islands,deserts, mountains, fields, lakes rivers what ever you wanted). You could even have sims live there I learnt in one save.

As for ts3, it was limited. I'm talking about ts2 though. :)

But since you mentioned it, having a larger area to build in that is cohesive is more important to me personally.
I wouldn't say ts4 has a one up for that reason.
While in live mode ts4 system is great (trust me I enjoy how the worlds share), I tend to build more. As new packs come out it has become impossible for me to build cities that have all the things in them. I like building cities, designing all the little parts then using live mode to see how it all plays out. I feel realistically, one city area should have all it's basics with out traveling around to other cities, but many ts4 cities are to small for me to do that (and certain features can only be in certain cities).

If I could either make it seem like all the worlds felt like one area or even better yet expand existing worlds I would say 100% ts4 takes the cake, then I could build multiple cities at a time and play in all of them, building an actual "world" out of all of them. The space issue for me though is to big a thing to over look, hence why I like ts2 the best for worlds and ts3 2nd because it still allows expansion.

Of course if you don't build as much space could very well not be as much an issue, but different play styles want different things, mine most definitely is not benefited by ts4.

"LeGardePourpre;c-16310373" wrote:
@keylimepiesims

But do you really think Maxis can make TS5 better than TS4 in only 2 years ?

When I see how the people was angry in 2014 when TS4 was released without Toddler, I think this time Maxis will take more time to develop The Sims 5.

1 EP per year is more time to develop the EPs and maybe it's also a trick to buy time for The Sims 5 development.

There is no gain to end The Sims 4 now.

They could if they try and don't wait till the last minute to do something.

"jackjack_k;c-16316845" wrote:

"@Sigzy05;c-16315552" wrote:

"elelunicy;c-16314551" wrote:

"Cinebar;c-16314482" wrote:
I will have to disagree that TS2 EPs weren't bigger. In FT alone there were 124 new objects, 73 new walls and floors, and of course several new hidden lots to vistit, new aspirations (more than one), new gameplay, and that isn't even counting any new hair, makeup or clothes. All sorts of items not even counted since Sims have to make them etc. TS4 EPs are very slim compared to TS2 EPs. And only cost $29.99. And new townies and NPCs just in that one EP.

124 new objects is very few for an EP. Some TS4 GPs have that many objects.

Saying there were 73 new walls & floors is extremely misleading, as floor/wall recolors of the same pattern count as separate items in TS2. Spa Day for example would have 188 new walls & floors if it counted like that.

Also TS2 expansions cost $34.99, not $29.99. After adjusting for inflation TS2 EPs are actually more expensive than TS4 EPs.

Source:
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sims-2-work-retail/1100-6145006/

The Sims 2 Open for Business is rated T for Teen and retails for $34.99.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sims-2-nightlife-boogies-over-to-factory/1100-6132168/

The Sims 2 Nightlife will retail for $34.99 and is rated T for Teen. It will require the original Sims 2 to play.

Most TS2 EPs were very lacking. Seasons, Pets, Bon Voyage, OFB, Apartment Life, etc. all barely have much content by today's standards.

LOL??

It's true, although Bon Voyage and Pets is debatable. They're all slightly bigger than a Sims 4 GP.
OFB, AL and Free Time are basically a GP once you take out the Life State. OFB didn't even come with a Life State as the Servo is an NPC.

Life States were often used in The Sims 2 days to stretch out content. Packs like Bon Voyage show the Sims 2 could have heaps of content as well as a new Life State.

Take away Witches from AL for example, and what's left?

New neighbourhood, apartment lots, reputation system, walking to lots, ability to view all the neighbours in a world instead of just your house, social classes and social groups, roomate system, playground equipment, street performers, vending machines, murphy bed, circular stairs, food stands etc.

"Sigzy05;c-16331558" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16316845" wrote:

"@Sigzy05;c-16315552" wrote:

"elelunicy;c-16314551" wrote:

"Cinebar;c-16314482" wrote:
I will have to disagree that TS2 EPs weren't bigger. In FT alone there were 124 new objects, 73 new walls and floors, and of course several new hidden lots to vistit, new aspirations (more than one), new gameplay, and that isn't even counting any new hair, makeup or clothes. All sorts of items not even counted since Sims have to make them etc. TS4 EPs are very slim compared to TS2 EPs. And only cost $29.99. And new townies and NPCs just in that one EP.

124 new objects is very few for an EP. Some TS4 GPs have that many objects.

Saying there were 73 new walls & floors is extremely misleading, as floor/wall recolors of the same pattern count as separate items in TS2. Spa Day for example would have 188 new walls & floors if it counted like that.

Also TS2 expansions cost $34.99, not $29.99. After adjusting for inflation TS2 EPs are actually more expensive than TS4 EPs.

Source:
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sims-2-work-retail/1100-6145006/

The Sims 2 Open for Business is rated T for Teen and retails for $34.99.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sims-2-nightlife-boogies-over-to-factory/1100-6132168/

The Sims 2 Nightlife will retail for $34.99 and is rated T for Teen. It will require the original Sims 2 to play.

Most TS2 EPs were very lacking. Seasons, Pets, Bon Voyage, OFB, Apartment Life, etc. all barely have much content by today's standards.

LOL??

It's true, although Bon Voyage and Pets is debatable. They're all slightly bigger than a Sims 4 GP.
OFB, AL and Free Time are basically a GP once you take out the Life State. OFB didn't even come with a Life State as the Servo is an NPC.

Life States were often used in The Sims 2 days to stretch out content. Packs like Bon Voyage show the Sims 2 could have heaps of content as well as a new Life State.

Take away Witches from AL for example, and what's left?

New neighbourhood, apartment lots, reputation system, walking to lots, ability to view all the neighbours in a world instead of just your house, social classes and social groups, roomate system, playground equipment, street performers, vending machines, murphy bed, circular stairs, food stands etc.

Death by murphy bed :D i miss when deaths were interesting

"LeGardePourpre;c-16310615" wrote:
@elelunicy

2017: Pets EP released + new GM ... TS5 project can begin now !

2006: TS3 project began, game released 3 years later.
2011: TS4 project began, game released 3 years later.


The Sims 5 may be released in 2020

I've just got to say... I hope not. I really love the Sims 4 and I don't want it to end. Even if it does I imagine I'll stick with it rather than moving on.

"@JoAnne65;c-16317521" wrote:

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"Writin_Reg;c-16310716" wrote:

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"icmnfrsh;c-16300800" wrote:
I doubt it. This is the first game where we've only gotten 1 EP in a year. (For 2016 and 2017) It feels like things are moving slower here.

This is also the first game of the series that got the indepth specialty game packs - so keep that in mind.

Well yes but in TS3, for example, the combination of a game pack and an expansion of TS4 would pretty much add up to the same amount of content. Pretty sure GP's and half baked EP's is just a marketing move for more money :p

You know something I own the entire Sims 3 store - bought most of it the day the store content came out. Money seems to be your issue - not mine. I like a game or content I buy the game and content. Not my issue. Don't care what you think - if it is worth it to me - I buy it.

You know what I would have issue with - is if the game didn't keep producing content. If it was up to me Sims 4 would have had a Sims 4 store as well - and most likely I'd bought all of that content also.

Did the same thing in Sims 2. The value of the a dollar for Sims stuff compared to any other form of entertainment out there - to me it is worth it. Seeing I am still also playing those games as well. It's in the eye of the beholder. You want to call it a money grab - well don't buy it. What can I say. That's totally on you - not me. Not my problem.

The formula has worked for 18 years and still rules and keeps the Sims still doing as well as it ever did. So obviously many people agree - we will keep on playing and keep on buying maybe the same way for another 18 years. Let us hope so anyway. Can't help the fact you cannot wrap your head around the idea.

If you bought all Store content the day it was released you obviously indeed didn’t have a money issue. Me however have never been able to afford that, nor needed it for that matter. I don’t think the point is what we can afford or are willing to spend on the game here. Those ‘in depth’ GP’s just offer content that used to be in one EP in the past. Like I stated in another topic: this GP will cost half of what WA cost, but it won’t contain half of what WA delivered. Not by a long shot.

It's too soon to say that. If the rumors are true that there is a dungeon that is randomly generated and loaded, and different every time, then that is already better than the finite dungeons of World Adventures. Especially if we can still build them ourselves.

True, time will tell. We’ll get back to that then ;) There is one dungeon (WA has 25 that, unlike what @jackjack_k states, aren’t clones; besides, who says the resetted dungeons won’t be clones in that respect, having the same kind of gameplay?) So unless that dungeon has 25 very different scenarios that will take your sims days to explore and totally different looks and atmospheres, we can compare. And it would be amazing if we can build them ourselves (like we can in Sims 3 so we can create as many dungeons for that game as we like), but if that’s the case I will be pleasantly surprised.

And that’s dungeons, there is much more to WA, like those huge and amazing worlds that aren’t clones either (like the event in my signature, that’s strictly Al Simhara). And indeed the nectar making and the martial arts. WA happens to be the most in depth and biggest one of them all.

I’ve only been to Twikii Island by the way. A hotel, a restaurant, a beach and ruins. How were the other worlds different?

I never said the tombs were clones. I said the gameplay surrounding the world was cloned, it’s basically the same gameplay copied 3 times over with slight differences. Each world has the same community lot functions (thanks to the registers), the same gameplay (tombs) etc.

The only thing that was different was how Sims were dressed and how the world was decorated. Even some of the adventure scripting would duplicate world to world. A Sim in Egypt could send you on the exact same mission as a Sim in China sent you on (eg. Collect 3 platinum)

In Bon Voyage, Three Lakes was a mountain rage camping world, where you could hunt for Bigfoot, go camping, sit round the fireplace, go fishing etc and experience a unique kind of vacation there.

Travel to Twikii Island, and it’s a Hotel resort with beaches and tropical gameplay, and it’s just a completely different experience.

Imagine if WA came with Egypt with tombs, and then Isla Paradiso for tropical gameplay and then Granite Falls for a camping getaway (although obviously on a smaller scale).

It was still different gameplay.



But the question you asked is if this game Pack could offer half the content of WA.

And it’s entirely possible. If they trim the fat (eg having multiple locations offering the same gameplay) and focus the budget in offering the gameplay, there’s no reason why they can’t fit half of WA or more into this.

WA was an adventure pack, not a holiday pack. In China you can practice martial arts and challenge other sims (have competitions), in France you can collect grapes and learn how to make nectar, in Egypt you can learn to charm a snake and when you get cursed by a mummy you can plead to the sphinx to be cured. Not possible in the other worlds. What the three worlds do have in common is that they are tomb based, but that’s because that’s the theme of the pack. Vacation was handled in IP.

Apart from this: you’re comparing a TS2 EP to a TS3 EP. My point was that the EP’s of the old games are much richer than the TS4 GP’s. So if anything you are confirming my point (and inspiring me to open my Sims 2 game again by the way ;)).

But that’s exactly what I’m saying. Those are minor things that set the worlds apart. But that doesn’t mean each world in WA was a new experience.

For example, the could still have Martial Arts and Nectar Making (Martial Arts and Wine are still HUGE cultural traditions for Egyptians, and actually date back to ancient times) merge the tombs from other worlds to Egypt and you wouldn’t miss out on any gameplay.

However, cut Three Lakes’ from BV and suddenly a 3rd of the EP’s gameplay is taken away.

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It doesn’t confirm your point at all. Your point was Jungle Adventures wouldn’t contain even half of WA’s gameplay. But really, WA’s core mechanics are straightforward and spread over huge areas.

Space wise, of course WA wins.
But gameplay wise, it’s entirely possible for this GP to provide at least half of the gameplay that came with WA.

But interestingly, this will also mean that The Sims 4’s travel destinations also offer unique gameplay cantered around the world rather than duplicating the same experience with only one factor separating them.

I loved WA and this isn’t me dragging it down. It’s just that a lot of the EP was exploration focused, and this GP sounds like it’s more going to be about gameplay experiences rather than exploration, in which case just means that’s it’s entirely possible they can match the variety of gameplay that WA had.

Because outside Tomb Exploration, it had 2 skills and a minor life state/curse. And it’s probably likely that we’re going to get Tomb Exploration, 2 skills associated with gameplay items & a minor life state/curse.

WA had more than 2 skills?

Nectar making
Photography
Martial Arts
Hidden Snake charming skill

Also GP's haven't brought more than 1 skill and I'm not sure a GP with a new skill, at least one new death type and a world would be able to also have budget for a new lifestate.

Well we have a Skeleton in the trailer, so I imagine there will be different gameplay around being a skeleton, who knows at this point.

I meant 2 skills that related to the world in general. Photography is universal. If we see what WA actually brought to the table without looking at the world size, it's just more than possible for a Game Pack to offer at least half of WA.

So maybe 1 skill (maybe 2, sounds like there a could be 2 from what we know).

And correction, Vampires came with 2 skills :)

Sure, without looking at at the worldS sizeS, and without looking at nectar making and martial arts and photography, and without looking at 25 different tombs with numerous ways and tools to explore it, and without looking at the fact we can create tombs ourselves, without looking at the adventures system, without looking at the building up visa points and being able to buy a vacation home abroad, without looking at the mummy curse and the different ways to cure it (or not), without looking at all the collectables the game offered, the different meals, learning local songs, new lifetime wishes and traits, without looking at all that, a GP could very well deliver half of that.

This post is funny now that Jungle Adventure has been revealed to be bigger than half of WA.

It even has 2 thirds of WA’s Buy Catalog, with 184 items. Gameplay wise, there’s much more depth collecting relics, and the Temple still provides many different tombs and challenges that will last more than 25 never changing tombs. It even has better markets and exclusive community areas (WA literally had Sims behind registers and that was it).

As I said, cut the worlds out, and focusing purely on gameplay, Jungle Adventure has been able to replicate more than half of WA.

Exploration wise, yes, WA is bigger. But that was to be expected when Jungle Adventure was the price of a Sims 3 Stuff Pack

"@Sigzy05;c-16331558" wrote:

"jackjack_k;c-16316845" wrote:

"@Sigzy05;c-16315552" wrote:

"elelunicy;c-16314551" wrote:

"Cinebar;c-16314482" wrote:
I will have to disagree that TS2 EPs weren't bigger. In FT alone there were 124 new objects, 73 new walls and floors, and of course several new hidden lots to vistit, new aspirations (more than one), new gameplay, and that isn't even counting any new hair, makeup or clothes. All sorts of items not even counted since Sims have to make them etc. TS4 EPs are very slim compared to TS2 EPs. And only cost $29.99. And new townies and NPCs just in that one EP.

124 new objects is very few for an EP. Some TS4 GPs have that many objects.

Saying there were 73 new walls & floors is extremely misleading, as floor/wall recolors of the same pattern count as separate items in TS2. Spa Day for example would have 188 new walls & floors if it counted like that.

Also TS2 expansions cost $34.99, not $29.99. After adjusting for inflation TS2 EPs are actually more expensive than TS4 EPs.

Source:
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sims-2-work-retail/1100-6145006/

The Sims 2 Open for Business is rated T for Teen and retails for $34.99.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sims-2-nightlife-boogies-over-to-factory/1100-6132168/

The Sims 2 Nightlife will retail for $34.99 and is rated T for Teen. It will require the original Sims 2 to play.

Most TS2 EPs were very lacking. Seasons, Pets, Bon Voyage, OFB, Apartment Life, etc. all barely have much content by today's standards.

LOL??

It's true, although Bon Voyage and Pets is debatable. They're all slightly bigger than a Sims 4 GP.
OFB, AL and Free Time are basically a GP once you take out the Life State. OFB didn't even come with a Life State as the Servo is an NPC.

Life States were often used in The Sims 2 days to stretch out content. Packs like Bon Voyage show the Sims 2 could have heaps of content as well as a new Life State.

Take away Witches from AL for example, and what's left?

New neighbourhood, apartment lots, reputation system, walking to lots, ability to view all the neighbours in a world instead of just your house, social classes and social groups, roomate system, playground equipment, street performers, vending machines, murphy bed, circular stairs, food stands etc.

Exactly. Basically a Game Pack.

Reputation System - not even user controlled. Basically does very little.
Walk to Lot - adds nothing.
Ability to view all the neighbors in a world and not just your house - this came much earlier (it’s in Sims Life Stories for example) and again, does nothing.
Social Classes and Social Groups - again, add a little spice but isn’t gameplay. Just some background fodder that again can’t be user controlled.
Roommate System - it’s not really hard to have Sims on lots that are uncontrolled. They basically took scraps from University to build the Apartment System.

The rest are only a small sample of gameplay items that you’d expect more of from an EP.

“New Neighborhood” lets not pretend that Sims 2 Neighborhoods were anything more than what we already had. It required less effort than Newcrest.

If Apartment Life was released today without Witches, as a Game Pack, it would be okay, but probably compared to Spa Day (very specific, only used occasionally).

But if they were to release it as an EP exactly how it was back then, the backlash would be the biggest for The Sims yet. People would call Witches half baked, and complain about how there’s no gameplay outside of preset social groups and a couple of gameplay items that don’t really change anything.

It’s literally Apartments and Witches, the rest was there to fill up space, no one would care about the Social Groups and Reputation System today, if they were the main features.

That’s something you’d expect as a small little background feature that probably got a quick mention in a live stream.