This is disgusting

People need to remember the words of Thumper: "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." I'm not exactly thrilled about this EP, but I would never insult those who made it or those who are very interested in it. In fact, I need to know more of what it offers other than my responsibility to help clean up the planet. For all I know I may end up purchasing it and loving it. Hey, don't laugh, it could happen. :)

"PlayerSinger2010;c-17490127" wrote:
I was literally called a bootlicker because I told people to chill out with their anger. People are acting like Maxis insulted their family by daring to do an eco-friendly pack. I'm not thrilled about the pack either, but personally insulting the developers, calling them trash, is sickening.

And yet, people will turn around and complain that the devs don't share enough with us. If I were a developer, you wouldn't be getting anything aside from teasers and trailers. No Quarterly Teasers, no Maxis Monthlys, nothing.

Yeah. I know that it's taken a while to get some of the "classic" themes, and that is frustrating to people, especially if they see things they don't want coming our first, but we get regular patches that often give us free content as well as bug fixes. EA don't have to give us free content at all, nor even any information outside of game releases. The fact that they have twice asked the community to choose stuff pack themes and content is also a big deal. Sure, I haven't always agreed with how the process has worked, or the results, but the fact that they even give the community an opportunity to choose what we want, is pretty good.

For me the biggest issue here, I suppose, is the fact that the detractors are slagging off real people with real feelings. People who are just doing their jobs, the same as most people. It can be easy to forget that from behind a computer screen. I know I've done that sometimes, and I usually feel bad about it later. I guess some people just don't, though.


There are people who love the idea of the new pack, and that's great because the pack is clearly going to improve the game for those people. It's easy enough to just not buy it if we don't want it. I'm not currently enthusiastic about the new pack but I've learned in the past year that I should never say never to buying a specific pack. At the beginning of last year I was convinced I would never buy any stuff packs, and also that I would never buy Cats and Dogs. I now own 2 stuff packs and Cats and Dogs....

"Loucifer;c-17490172" wrote:

"Lustianicia;c-17490144" wrote:

"OEII1001;c-17490138" wrote:
I've seen numerous posts even on this forum, which EA controls, insulting the devs by calling them lazy, impugning their intelligence or other attacks on their character, their dedication to the IP, etc. It is not at all surprising to hear that this sort of negativity is evolving to include threats of violence on platforms that are not moderated as strictly. There are a lot of people in gaming spaces, and this community as well, who feed off of negativity, and that negativity invariably grows into something more malicious.

The Sims also has one of the most loyal fan bases in the entire video game community... which is often something they take for granted and forget about. Just saying.

We're extremely loyal... even when being ripped off by them. The fact that they do almost nothing to try keeping us is very telling... the only thing stopping many of us from saying "good riddance" to The Sims is the fact that they don't have any serious or legitimate competitors in the life simulation genre. No life simulator has ever come close to The Sims... but that could end very soon and I'm sure EA will 100% regret it once they finally get their wake up call.

Sims is more addictive than cigarettes lol

I don't disagree with that assessment... because it's true. The Sims IS an addicting game. But, like I said, if there was a life simulator that was as good as (or even better than) The Sims, I would be leaving this game in a heartbeat! It's quite sad for me to admit this... considering The Sims has actually helped me A LOT during my life! However, the franchise seems to be going downhill... which is upsetting.

"Beardedgeek;c-17490155" wrote:


Anyone else remembering the dung heap that was the old Bioware forums? Those were some of the worst forums in this regard I have ever seen. Even before the ending of Mass Effect 3 was known a good half of the posts were either pure hatred against Bioware employees or just disgusting in general. Always excused with "But we are ignored, and we are the TRUE / LOYAL fans!"

That's sad. The Dragon Age: Origins forums were pretty good though. I used to hang out there at one time and the people were nice.

"Mariefoxprice83;c-17490194" wrote:

"Beardedgeek;c-17490155" wrote:


Anyone else remembering the dung heap that was the old Bioware forums? Those were some of the worst forums in this regard I have ever seen. Even before the ending of Mass Effect 3 was known a good half of the posts were either pure hatred against Bioware employees or just disgusting in general. Always excused with "But we are ignored, and we are the TRUE / LOYAL fans!"

That's sad. The Dragon Age: Origins forums were pretty good though. I used to hang out there at one time and the people were nice.

What happens in gaming spaces is that sequels please some and don't please others. Some who do not enjoy the sequel(s) move on and do something else. A few remain and stew in that sort of negative space. Then the problems start. That's not to say that it is a gaming problem, but rather a human one. Some people cannot accept loss. Some are not equipped to deal with disappointment. And, yes, some genuinely thrive off of negativity.

"OEII1001;c-17490170" wrote:

"Lustianicia;c-17490165" wrote:

"OEII1001;c-17490148" wrote:

"Lustianicia;c-17490144" wrote:

"OEII1001;c-17490138" wrote:
I've seen numerous posts even on this forum, which EA controls, insulting the devs by calling them lazy, impugning their intelligence or other attacks on their character, their dedication to the IP, etc. It is not at all surprising to hear that this sort of negativity is evolving to include threats of violence on platforms that are not moderated as strictly. There are a lot of people in gaming spaces, and this community as well, who feed off of negativity, and that negativity invariably grows into something more malicious.

The Sims also has one of the most loyal fan bases in the entire video game community... which is often something they take for granted and forget about. Just saying.

We're extremely loyal... even when being ripped off by them. The fact that they do almost nothing to try keeping us is very telling... the only thing stopping many of us from saying "good riddance" to The Sims is the fact that they don't have any serious or legitimate competitors in the life simulation genre. No life simulator has ever come close to The Sims... but that could end very soon and I'm sure EA will 100% regret it once they finally get their wake up call.

Every game fandom considers themselves to be one of the most loyal fan bases in the entire video game community. This does not excuse threats of violence. If you don't like a video game, then don't play it, don't buy it, etc. Threatening violence is not legal, ethical, or productive.

EA literally sucks hundreds to thousands of dollars from us in each iteration... lol The fact that we continue paying for all of it proves how loyal we are. Here's a challenge... go back and calculate all the money you put into each iteration... and for a bonus, add all of it together at the end. Then you'll understand my point about being extremely loyal.

Why are you defending the behavior in question?

What behavior, exactly?

"Lustianicia;c-17490201" wrote:

"OEII1001;c-17490170" wrote:

"Lustianicia;c-17490165" wrote:

"OEII1001;c-17490148" wrote:

"Lustianicia;c-17490144" wrote:

"OEII1001;c-17490138" wrote:
I've seen numerous posts even on this forum, which EA controls, insulting the devs by calling them lazy, impugning their intelligence or other attacks on their character, their dedication to the IP, etc. It is not at all surprising to hear that this sort of negativity is evolving to include threats of violence on platforms that are not moderated as strictly. There are a lot of people in gaming spaces, and this community as well, who feed off of negativity, and that negativity invariably grows into something more malicious.

The Sims also has one of the most loyal fan bases in the entire video game community... which is often something they take for granted and forget about. Just saying.

We're extremely loyal... even when being ripped off by them. The fact that they do almost nothing to try keeping us is very telling... the only thing stopping many of us from saying "good riddance" to The Sims is the fact that they don't have any serious or legitimate competitors in the life simulation genre. No life simulator has ever come close to The Sims... but that could end very soon and I'm sure EA will 100% regret it once they finally get their wake up call.

Every game fandom considers themselves to be one of the most loyal fan bases in the entire video game community. This does not excuse threats of violence. If you don't like a video game, then don't play it, don't buy it, etc. Threatening violence is not legal, ethical, or productive.

EA literally sucks hundreds to thousands of dollars from us in each iteration... lol The fact that we continue paying for all of it proves how loyal we are. Here's a challenge... go back and calculate all the money you put into each iteration... and for a bonus, add all of it together at the end. Then you'll understand my point about being extremely loyal.

Why are you defending the behavior in question?

What behavior, exactly?

Insulting and threatening the devs. You seem to be offering a lot of defense for people doing just that.

"OEII1001;c-17490203" wrote:

"Lustianicia;c-17490201" wrote:

"OEII1001;c-17490170" wrote:

"Lustianicia;c-17490165" wrote:

"OEII1001;c-17490148" wrote:

"Lustianicia;c-17490144" wrote:

"OEII1001;c-17490138" wrote:
I've seen numerous posts even on this forum, which EA controls, insulting the devs by calling them lazy, impugning their intelligence or other attacks on their character, their dedication to the IP, etc. It is not at all surprising to hear that this sort of negativity is evolving to include threats of violence on platforms that are not moderated as strictly. There are a lot of people in gaming spaces, and this community as well, who feed off of negativity, and that negativity invariably grows into something more malicious.

The Sims also has one of the most loyal fan bases in the entire video game community... which is often something they take for granted and forget about. Just saying.

We're extremely loyal... even when being ripped off by them. The fact that they do almost nothing to try keeping us is very telling... the only thing stopping many of us from saying "good riddance" to The Sims is the fact that they don't have any serious or legitimate competitors in the life simulation genre. No life simulator has ever come close to The Sims... but that could end very soon and I'm sure EA will 100% regret it once they finally get their wake up call.

Every game fandom considers themselves to be one of the most loyal fan bases in the entire video game community. This does not excuse threats of violence. If you don't like a video game, then don't play it, don't buy it, etc. Threatening violence is not legal, ethical, or productive.

EA literally sucks hundreds to thousands of dollars from us in each iteration... lol The fact that we continue paying for all of it proves how loyal we are. Here's a challenge... go back and calculate all the money you put into each iteration... and for a bonus, add all of it together at the end. Then you'll understand my point about being extremely loyal.

Why are you defending the behavior in question?

What behavior, exactly?

Insulting and threatening the devs. You seem to be offering a lot of defense for people doing just that.

I didn't defend that behavior... at all... never once did I say it was okay to personally insult and send threats to the developers. My original response was towards the criticism they were receiving. Not the personal attacks or threats. I specifically said I don't agree with those methods of criticism.

"Lustianicia;c-17490208" wrote:

"OEII1001;c-17490203" wrote:

"Lustianicia;c-17490201" wrote:

"OEII1001;c-17490170" wrote:

"Lustianicia;c-17490165" wrote:

"OEII1001;c-17490148" wrote:

"Lustianicia;c-17490144" wrote:

"OEII1001;c-17490138" wrote:
I've seen numerous posts even on this forum, which EA controls, insulting the devs by calling them lazy, impugning their intelligence or other attacks on their character, their dedication to the IP, etc. It is not at all surprising to hear that this sort of negativity is evolving to include threats of violence on platforms that are not moderated as strictly. There are a lot of people in gaming spaces, and this community as well, who feed off of negativity, and that negativity invariably grows into something more malicious.

The Sims also has one of the most loyal fan bases in the entire video game community... which is often something they take for granted and forget about. Just saying.

We're extremely loyal... even when being ripped off by them. The fact that they do almost nothing to try keeping us is very telling... the only thing stopping many of us from saying "good riddance" to The Sims is the fact that they don't have any serious or legitimate competitors in the life simulation genre. No life simulator has ever come close to The Sims... but that could end very soon and I'm sure EA will 100% regret it once they finally get their wake up call.

Every game fandom considers themselves to be one of the most loyal fan bases in the entire video game community. This does not excuse threats of violence. If you don't like a video game, then don't play it, don't buy it, etc. Threatening violence is not legal, ethical, or productive.

EA literally sucks hundreds to thousands of dollars from us in each iteration... lol The fact that we continue paying for all of it proves how loyal we are. Here's a challenge... go back and calculate all the money you put into each iteration... and for a bonus, add all of it together at the end. Then you'll understand my point about being extremely loyal.

Why are you defending the behavior in question?

What behavior, exactly?

Insulting and threatening the devs. You seem to be offering a lot of defense for people doing just that.

I didn't defend that behavior... at all... never once did I say it was okay to personally insult and send threats to the developers. My original response was towards the criticism they were receiving. Not the personal attacks or threats. I specifically said I don't agree with those methods of criticism.

Glad to hear that you do not condone the insults and threats of violence that the devs are receiving. Lets hope that certain elements within the community begins to temper their disappointment and direct their efforts into healthier venues. Remember, it's just a video game.

It's beginning to look like an awful lot of people are forgetting there are human beings behind the avatars and usernames. And those human beings have feelings.

I understand a lot of the upset, particularly on Twitter, has been because a lot of people were hyped at the thought of a farming expansion and as a result, the following announcement of Eco Lifestyle has infuriated a large number of people. I understand that. While I personally prefer this theme over the farming one, I do understand why people were upset. I don't, however, understand why that should lead to a number of "So you're the one to hold responsible," comments to one of the Gurus when she mentioned this being her first pack as a producer.

You can like or dislike a theme for a pack. We're a lovely, diverse bunch in this community and a very large community at that! The larger the community, the more ideas for themes, packs, updates, improvements etc that are on the table. That's great - I love hearing people's ideas. It does, however, mean that with every pack release, a lot of people will love the theme, a lot will be disappointed and a lot will feel indifferent. People will buy the pack for different reasons - maybe there's an object you've been wanting for ages. Maybe that new skill that's coming is exactly what you wanted. Or maybe that hair is really cute. But it doesn't matter - if the pack makes you happy, that's great.

If it doesn't, that's okay. Because nobody can be expected to love all the packs that come out. Some people really, truthfully do. That's great; they've got lots of packs to have fun with. Others feel that some packs don't add enough for their gameplay. That's fair enough. We don't all play the same style.

Over the last two days, on Twitter particularly, I saw a lot of comments berating the developers for not producing the farming pack, or for recycling a theme. We don't know they're not producing a farming pack; just because it isn't this one, doesn't mean it isn't coming. We don't know that it isn't. But just because this one isn't farming, or generations or whichever pack is preferred in individual case, doesn't mean this one is automatically bad. I'm looking forward to it; I'm quite excited. I know I'll enjoy this pack. I know because from what I saw in the trailer, there were a number of features I could already see fitting my current game perfectly. Will it be my favourite pack? I've no idea because I haven't played it yet. Will it be the best pack they've brought out? Again, I haven't played so I don't know. Will it be the worst, or smallest? No idea. I'll know when it releases and I play it. All I do know for certain is that it's shown some features I will use a lot. So I know I'll be getting it. Equally, I know a lot of people are on the fence and perhaps aren't sure what the pack will actually do for their game. Quite reasonable - there will be at least two other opportunities for a closer look in the next few weeks to help people make up their minds. Those, alongside the trailer, will help to give a more detailed impression of what the pack has to offer.

Now, I was surprised at the number of people who had decided this pack should be a Game Pack and that there's not enough content to warrant expansion pack prices. The reason I was surprised by this is because I don't feel there's enough been shown yet to completely justify such a statement. We've seen a trailer that is 1 and a half minutes long and a few renders. That's it. It seemed odd to me for people to have judged the pack already when we haven't seen much yet. That aside, a lot of the same people then started accusing the developers of never listening, of producing poor quality packs (much more strongly worded on Twitter but I digress), of producing a boring pack. Then, finally, seeking someone to blame because the pack isn't what they expect. But how do they know, when it doesn't release until next month?

We can love or hate the theme, be excited or disappointed, enthusiastic or not. Either way, we're all right. Because it's right for the individual. So the name calling, from both sides, isn't fair and drags the whole community down. That's why I felt the whole community was so negative the other night; because the name calling from both sides was unnecessary.

That turned into a much longer post than I anticipated, and I apologise for that. Ultimately, whatever you think of the upcoming pack, I hope you're able to enjoy your game today, regardless of what may or may not be coming ?