Update/Rework old packs

1. They need to scrap Dine Out and start over.

2. Certain aspects of Get Famous need a lot of love. Mainly Del Sol Valley and some of the more annoying “features”.

3. Outdoor Retreat is really old now and seems lacking. It needs expanding in all areas.

Honorable mention: Get To Work. For an expansion pack, it’s incredibly limited in its appeal. There aren’t a lot of reasons to own it, honestly.

Dine out never did work correctly.
Parenthood needs more options to turn off character values and ask for advice.
Island Living needs more fleshed out merfolk like vamps got.

Also, gardening needs to be fixed and that stems across several packs.

Now for me I have 3 packs that I believe should get redone.
Edit: would of had this posted sooner but I had a lot too say :lol:

Get to Work
I like GTW and for me it one of my favorite packs since I like active careers and I like running my own shops but I feel like since it was the first EP there is s lot they can do now to make it better.
Retail - I think that retail shops should be given a rating system just like restaurants as well as the ability to be open without you the player having to be there. Another changed I'd like to see the ability to select what items are for sale in build mode much like how you can select the menu at a restaurant. This would make setting up a shop a little more easy, especially if you don't plan on having a household actually own it.
Active Careers - I'd like to see all the active careers get a rework in their promotion requirements by putting some focus on skills. Detective should require fitness and logic, Doctor; logic and charisma, and Scientist; logic, gardening, and rocket science. I'd also like to see a general update to the hospital AI but having the staff actually tend to other patients while we are working with ours. If burglars ever do get added I'd like to see new scenarios added to the detective career that allows us to chase after burglars and maybe even do neighbrhopd night watches.
Aliens - Aliens are the most boring occult in game. They have no real powers. Now I don't need a full on detailed power tree with levels and 30 abilities but they do need more to them besides the ability to erase memories and drain brain power from other sims.

Outdoor Retreat
After seeing how much more interesting the hikes are going to be in SE I'd like to see hiking get updated to work the same. Our sims can go on group hikes and stop to take pictures, talk to each other, maybe pull out binoculars to look at bird or random forest animals. Update the water in Granite Falls so you could go swimming in them. The ability to swim at Granite Falls would add so much to the experience. Also sleeping bags this needs to be a thing just for fun. Lastly and idk how many of you will feel about this but I think if you have C&Ds installed then "foxes" & "raccoons" should be seen roaming around. Also add some of the Insect spawners to other worlds. It weird how insects can only get caught in Granite Falls.

Island Living
It a pack that could of added so much but just adds so little for an EP and atm it my least favore EP mostly because it adds some my of most favorite aspects about Island Paradise but does them so poorly.
Lifeguard career - The lifeguard part time job should be an active career. It doesn't need to be made into a full time career but it should be active. This was one of my favorite careers in ts3 so the fact that it came back as a rabbithole is pretty disappointing. Also lifeguards NPCs should spawn on Beach and Pool lots types.
Scuba Diving - The big scuba diving buoys should take you to underwater lots where you can explore and collect new fish, underwater plants, and collect treasures. Basically the ts3 underwater diving.
Mermaids -Personally I'm fine with how they are but for many they needed more to them. Maybe not a skill tree as detailed as vampires and witches but enough that your mermaids could stand out by having their own unique powers/songs.

Honorable mention
Journey to Batuu
This is the first pack that I didn't buy right when it came out and bought when it was on sale and for me that says something. Now I haven't touched this pack so I can't say much but what I can say is that there should of been a Force power tree like vampires. I know that if this was in the pack so many more players would find more enjoyment from it and some replayability from it. The "alien" masks should cover your sims entire bodies. Having the texture cut at the thigh, upper arms, and just below the neck really destroys any use they had since you always have to make sure any sims you use them with is wearing clothes that hide the cut offs.

Dine Out - Do I need to elaborate... Everything is sadly broken, how can they even leave the whole thing in that state I wonder.

Get To Work - It's really petty but i'd like to be able to choose the shop-type, between "tablet checkout" and "cash register checkout". The latter is much more immersive I can't even explain how and why but that's just how I feel.

City Living - Being able to build appartments in any world really. But with the way those are made in the game I get why that would be difficult. Also, improving the elevator animation, as in our sim coming inside and out of the elevator. The teleporting breaks the immersion somehow.

Get Famous - reworking, or adding a new tier, to the existing skill trees. I don't find any of the branches interesting. I also liked being harassed by paparazzis and hardcore fans in Sims 1 and I feel like the ones in Sims 4 are too nice lol.

Across all worlds: Being able to hike, a nice feature that is going to be introduced in Snowy Escape. Could benefit from new animations too, like taking pictures of the SCENERY, and not necessarily selfies.

Eco Lifestyle: make NAP interesting, or let you choose which ones you want to add to the NAP pool. HOW did the devs think that some of the NAP they introduced were even remotely FUN? NO, I don't like sims stealing random things from my lot with me noticing 2 hours later, NO, I don't like seeing random sims doing push ups at the restaurant.
Some of them are interesting and are a real nice challenge tho, like the ones where you have to produce enough water/electricity with eco-machines or else you get a fine. But oh god are most of the other ones uninteresting, and the whole eco footprint is broken since you can't, even when trying really hard, get a bad eco footprint. Make some of the actions and the materials you use have more impact and not necessarily tend toward a neutral footprint. The whole EP is pointless as it is today, but yet had a lot of potential.

Realm of Magic: It's not really reworking, it's more like asking for new content so I'm not getting my hopes up but... Make some spells' effects exclusive to RoM? All of this GP spells borrow something already existing somewhere else in the game. No effect is actually new. It's kind of lazy.
I wish they let the children play with magic too, like in Sims 1, with the tool that looked like a lizard.
Magictown was fun too, with missions like chasing clouds, and exchanging materials for Magic Coins and various benefits.
Overall RoM was a missed opportunity I guess, it took "magic" too seriously.

1) Eco Lifestyle---a complete do-over from the ground up, aside from the lots themselves

2) City Living---make it more intuitive and easier to navigate

3) Discover University---if you can't go to classes with the teachers or student Sims, why even bother?

1) Island Living needs a rehaul. At the very least its mermaids need some kind of skill tree to match most of the other occults, and I agree with a lot of others that the addition of at least one underwater lot in that world would be liven up a trip to the dive buoys. (Perhaps a hidden lot that only mermaids can visit?) The off-lot space in Sulani needs more objects to make the corners of the map worth visiting.

2) Outdoor Retreat needs to allow for bugs outside of Granite Falls, and just have more to do - for all the family - in that world. It's such a boring world for toddler, child and occasionally elder sims. Why can't the toddlers catch - and eat - uncooked bugs? Swimming would be wonderful, but I'd like to see an overhaul to the hiking now along the SE style, and more family/interactive play between sims.

3) Seasons needs something new added to it, because most of its main draw/unique features have been stripped out and reused now in other packs like Spooky Stuff and Snowy Escape. Maybe the ability to ice-fish in winter. Snow depth? I keep completely missing the fact there's a blizzard outside my sims' home because it looks exactly the same as it does every other day in winter in-game. I'd like to see my sims at least partially snowed-in. Every now and then during a summer heatwave, a water limit per day is randomly imposed for a few days.


Honourable mentions for minor touch-ups to:
Get Famous, imo, mostly needs an expansion in which careers automatically grant you fame as you ascend in their ranks. My entertainer and celebrity chef sims should not be struggling to stay famous when they go to work, or relying on chance cards.
Dine Out works fairly okay in my game, but the meals need to sped up dramatically.
Realm of Magic just feels a little lacking? I've only had this game a little while and haven't done much with it yet, but the actual RoM just feels a little sparse. Also some spells/buffs/whatever that make it a little easier to play - and be acknowledged by other sims in-game! - as being an evil spellcaster. Because, sure, I can tell MYSELF that my sim spellcaster is evil and has the evil trait and everything, but there's not much ability to differentiate between them and the 'good' spellcasters.

I remember selecting Dine Out. I seem to recall most forum users selected this one, it's a pack that has not been updated well over the years.

I don't remember the other two I selected, I think I selected Cats & Dogs and Get Famous.

"So_Money;c-17718777" wrote:
1. They need to scrap Dine Out and start over.

2. Certain aspects of Get Famous need a lot of love. Mainly Del Sol Valley and some of the more annoying “features”.

3. Outdoor Retreat is really old now and seems lacking. It needs expanding in all areas.

Honorable mention: Get To Work. For an expansion pack, it’s incredibly limited in its appeal. There aren’t a lot of reasons to own it, honestly.

I think they need to scrap Get Famous. The only thing good about it is an extra world to build in, The Fame mod is far superior to Get Famous. I usually disable the pack and use the mod.

Outdoor retrat is salvagable.

My first choice would be The Realm of Magic and keep in mind I love this Game Pack a lot. Magic has zero consequences. There should be some kind of consequences for a Spellcaster using magic, Vampires have weakness they are required to choose when giving them strengths when they gain power. Yet Magic has zero random buffs, zero consequences, no problems like earning personality traits like inanity, memory loss, etc and this is one of the main things and biggest pet peeve I have with the pack. Also our sims should be able to discover new schools of magic and new spells for that school of magic. For example I should be able to create a sage and school for Ancient Magic and it be a separate chapter in a spellcaster's spellbook as a new school of magic. If a player wishes to have their sim become a Sage of a new school/discipline of magic they should have that option as an aspiration. I would like Simeon giving a lecture on ethics because of the nature of Practical Magic. It would seem like it would be a part of his personality. Comparing Untamed Magic and Practical Magic is like comparing Right Handed Path and Left Handed Path traditions. Morgyn would be Left Handed Path while Simeon would be Right Handed Path. However, Simeon though Right Handed Path in his tradition should have defensive and warior based magic like communication with electronics and machines kind of Adeptus Mechanicus Sims style. He should be able to use magic "to ease the machine's pain" He should be able to "bless" any machine or electronic. He should be able to control any electronic or machine with magic. Because of his high programming skills, logic and other geeky qualities it should affect what only he can do as The Sage of Practical Magic. Some spells he would not teach even to his best students who have mastered every spell in that school of Practical Magic because only The Sage Practical Magic or retired Sage of Practical Magic would know those spells. I would love se Simeon especially improved of The Three Sages. Morgyn could use some fine tuning but his magic should have things like magical "addiction" and erratic behaviour as his price for using and even mastering untamed magic. Maybe that type of magic has affected him in ways we as players have yet to see. I would really love to see magic improved.

There should be more schools of Magic. Not just custom Sages who have custom spells added any of the existing schools of magic. Though I don't want my sim to be a Sage I would like the option to have my sim being a spellcaster learning old magic that has been lost and discoving a new school of magic.

For these reasons Realm of Magic (though one of my favourite and most used packs) needs to be reworked, updated and greatly improved.

I don't really remember what i chose back then as i had less packs at the moment but my current thoughts:

1. Outdoor Retreat
-this one has fallen below stuff packs in contents by now and i honestly just feel it needs big additions to be considered gamepack

like even just add some small outdoor activities like bird watching or picnic baskets or whatever maybe even better cooking options for bonfires like kettles and pots and all

open water for the lake (whats the use of lake cabin if there is no swimming)

and more build items for better log cabins
wall object and such

the flat walls offend my soul so much because real log cabins made of log are definitely not flat like that

some pictures for insights:
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it might be hard to achieve with wallpapers but they could use wall detail objects like they did in jungle adventures with stone details and add some good old logs there

also. i wouldnt mind more furs and animal heads and that stuff like i get ur tryna not annoy vegans but really its rather common cabin objects...

or if not that give me a real scary bear bear that should not annoy vegans cause its alive

oh and also make the world residential

or hey they could add the hammock taken out of IL... or sleeping bags or.. yeah too much possibilities not explored
2. Get to Work

3. Realm of Magic


Unhonorary mention: Snowy Escape

Dine out for obvious reasons of just it functions badly.

Outdoor Retreat because it's actually the most boring pack ever created. Add some activities to granite falls and make hiking a group activity.

Get to Work because the active careers are boring. Give them more variety in tasks as sims get promoted.

Those would be my three choices. I do however think all the packs should receive an update now that sentiments are a thing. I would like to see specific sentiments for each pack.