For those that pre-ordered the Snowy Escape Pack, I got notified by a user that bowing at shrines can no longer be done.The Sims 4 team aims to be inclusive, yet actively censors and removes Japanese culture.This is just as nonsensical as adding in a prayer bench, and then removing a prayer function because Jews and Christians have historically not got along.It not only removes inclusivity of people who the prayer base does represent, but acts as if bowing in Japan isn't the norm.If we can have a menorah in Animal Crossing New Horizons, then we should be able to unlock bowing in the Sims4. To do otherwise would only make a further mockery of EA's historical videogame failings. I look forward to the Kinder Egg crew's more ironic statements to back up this kneel to a fake cancel culture movement.I also want to add onto this thread by saying that two cultures with historic backlash can indeed get along.As an example, take how popular the Marvel characters Hulkling and Wiccan are in Brazil.(They were boys who came from Christian and Jewish backgrounds, and are now a happy gay couple.)The Sims 4 team only hinders the modern progression of religion by adhering to Twitter's cancel culture demands for justice to which no currently surviving family lineage has witnessed. (Elders generally do not live longer than 60-90 years.)Furthermore, such actions of removal only enforces the cancel culture mob's perception that such features were intended to offend.A perception which will help neither EA nor the common player base. (Regardless of practicing Shintoism or Buddhism.)(CM: Double post merged together with original post)

This thread is probably going to be closed. I totally get what you're saying but these topics just turn into religious/political arguments.What's done is done. I was disappointed it was removed also but I think we should move on from this. A modder as added it back too. Inclusive or not The sims is a company before anything. And just like any other company you do what you have to in order to protect that company.I don't agree with it per se but I I understand why the choice was made. And they were definitely in between a rock and a hard place. The over sensitive cancel culture of 2020 is annoying as all heck and I hate it. But it's over at this point. And the cancel culture is not going anywhere anytime soon.

This is the audience they market to: woke twitter. Theyll adhere to their wishes because thats where the money is 'dont bite the hand that feeds you.' I dont think people should forget about it or brush it under the rug like EA has.

Twitter audience would have harassed them to no end until they got what they want, I understand the Sims team just saying "f*** it we'll do what they want because we're tired of getting criticized left and right" or something. Doesn't help that many Sims Content Creators with a huge audience blindly called EA out on this issue without doing their own research just so that they could criticize EA because that's their only way of getting views, and yes I'm talking about Pix***** among others but mostly him :smiley:

You can still bow it was only removed from the shrine. Although to appease & remain inclusive they maybe could have had an option to toggle shrine bowing? I don't know enough about this to comment on whether it was right or wrong. There are just so many "wrongs" in all our history.

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Bmm209
4 years ago
"Sigzy05;c-17730545" wrote:
"StrawberryYogurt;c-17729364" wrote:
"SimmerGeorge;c-17729063" wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59tAqTtVpXg

If EA keeps getting so much hate for being "insensitive", this is what their future products are going to end up like :lol: :lol:
I saw this skit and directly thought of the Sims 4 race controversies :lol:

This video is blocked in my country, where is it from?

America/Saturday Night Live.

Yeah i guess it was a copyright thing because I live in America.
Lorenerd11
4 years ago
"temporalgod;c-17728833" wrote:
every other country has their own Culture except mine due to it being Multicultural and it's because of this that most ignorant people think that it always winter up here

"temporalgod;c-17729159" wrote:
I don't care if I offend these Cancel Culture Fascists, long live the Revolution, I know might be ranting but you can't denied that there's some truth to it.

"Darkwingz;c-17729476" wrote:
For even Disney fears the Political Correctness Mob.

"temporalgod;c-17730641" wrote:
Political Correctness Police hates anything that's not under their control like Japanese culture for instance

What the hell are any of you even talking about at this point
Horrorgirl6
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
"pepperjax1230;c-17730921" wrote:
"Sigzy05;c-17730547" wrote:
"Darkwingz;d-983684" wrote:
For those that pre-ordered the Snowy Escape Pack, I got notified by a user that bowing at shrines can no longer be done.
The Sims 4 team aims to be inclusive, yet actively censors and removes Japanese culture.
This is just as nonsensical as adding in a prayer bench, and then removing a prayer function because Jews and Christians have historically not got along.
It not only removes inclusivity of people who the prayer base does represent, but acts as if bowing in Japan isn't the norm.
If we can have a menorah in Animal Crossing New Horizons, then we should be able to unlock bowing in the Sims4.
To do otherwise would only make a further mockery of EA's historical videogame failings.
I look forward to the Kinder Egg crew's more ironic statements to back up this kneel to a fake cancel culture movement.

When I heard they removed that feature, I was turned off from buying the pack even more. There's no reason whatsoever for the removal of the bowing interaction in the shrine, especially if bowing wasn't even going to be autonomous. Instead of giving their players options in a lifesim, EAxis simply chooses to remove things to appease to the Karen mob and as long as they keep doing ❤️❤️❤️❤️ like this, I keep on not buying. What EAxis did was basically side with one culture over the other, when they could have just kept the interaction for the players to use it if they felt like it. And if this world was strictly Korean inspired, I'd understand it, but it's not, which is even more of a reason to not remove it in favor of another culture.

It’s a game and of course they are going to take it out. Out of respect for the people who live there. Though that being said they can do whatever they want to the game and EA and Nintendo aren’t the same company. EA wants the game to be friendly with whoever you want to be I don’t see why bowing makes you not want the game they bow when they greet each other. They have to make Animal Crossing New Horizon diverse for all holidays because it’s a game that is revolving around the real world time and holidays. That would make no sense to cut stuff out because we all live in different parts of the world they need to reflect that.

By doing it they side one country to another.By removing an action because it offend some one else.They can so what they want, but it dosen't make it right.
pepperjax1230
Rising Novice
4 years ago
"Horrorgirl6;c-17730941" wrote:
"pepperjax1230;c-17730921" wrote:
"Sigzy05;c-17730547" wrote:
"Darkwingz;d-983684" wrote:
For those that pre-ordered the Snowy Escape Pack, I got notified by a user that bowing at shrines can no longer be done.
The Sims 4 team aims to be inclusive, yet actively censors and removes Japanese culture.
This is just as nonsensical as adding in a prayer bench, and then removing a prayer function because Jews and Christians have historically not got along.
It not only removes inclusivity of people who the prayer base does represent, but acts as if bowing in Japan isn't the norm.
If we can have a menorah in Animal Crossing New Horizons, then we should be able to unlock bowing in the Sims4.
To do otherwise would only make a further mockery of EA's historical videogame failings.
I look forward to the Kinder Egg crew's more ironic statements to back up this kneel to a fake cancel culture movement.

When I heard they removed that feature, I was turned off from buying the pack even more. There's no reason whatsoever for the removal of the bowing interaction in the shrine, especially if bowing wasn't even going to be autonomous. Instead of giving their players options in a lifesim, EAxis simply chooses to remove things to appease to the Karen mob and as long as they keep doing ❤️❤️❤️❤️ like this, I keep on not buying. What EAxis did was basically side with one culture over the other, when they could have just kept the interaction for the players to use it if they felt like it. And if this world was strictly Korean inspired, I'd understand it, but it's not, which is even more of a reason to not remove it in favor of another culture.

It’s a game and of course they are going to take it out. Out of respect for the people who live there. Though that being said they can do whatever they want to the game and EA and Nintendo aren’t the same company. EA wants the game to be friendly with whoever you want to be I don’t see why bowing makes you not want the game they bow when they greet each other. They have to make Animal Crossing New Horizon diverse for all holidays because it’s a game that is revolving around the real world time and holidays. That would make no sense to cut stuff out because we all live in different parts of the world they need to reflect that.

By doing it they side one country to another.By removing an action because it offend some one else.They can so what they want, but it dosen't make it right.

I understand that but it’s not like this game is represented actual peoples lives. So they could have just as easily put in a bow to a fake culture. Like Sims Medieval has fake religions so they don’t offend anyone.
Horrorgirl6
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
"pepperjax1230;c-17730950" wrote:
"Horrorgirl6;c-17730941" wrote:
"pepperjax1230;c-17730921" wrote:
"Sigzy05;c-17730547" wrote:
"Darkwingz;d-983684" wrote:
For those that pre-ordered the Snowy Escape Pack, I got notified by a user that bowing at shrines can no longer be done.
The Sims 4 team aims to be inclusive, yet actively censors and removes Japanese culture.
This is just as nonsensical as adding in a prayer bench, and then removing a prayer function because Jews and Christians have historically not got along.
It not only removes inclusivity of people who the prayer base does represent, but acts as if bowing in Japan isn't the norm.
If we can have a menorah in Animal Crossing New Horizons, then we should be able to unlock bowing in the Sims4.
To do otherwise would only make a further mockery of EA's historical videogame failings.
I look forward to the Kinder Egg crew's more ironic statements to back up this kneel to a fake cancel culture movement.

When I heard they removed that feature, I was turned off from buying the pack even more. There's no reason whatsoever for the removal of the bowing interaction in the shrine, especially if bowing wasn't even going to be autonomous. Instead of giving their players options in a lifesim, EAxis simply chooses to remove things to appease to the Karen mob and as long as they keep doing ❤️❤️❤️❤️ like this, I keep on not buying. What EAxis did was basically side with one culture over the other, when they could have just kept the interaction for the players to use it if they felt like it. And if this world was strictly Korean inspired, I'd understand it, but it's not, which is even more of a reason to not remove it in favor of another culture.

It’s a game and of course they are going to take it out. Out of respect for the people who live there. Though that being said they can do whatever they want to the game and EA and Nintendo aren’t the same company. EA wants the game to be friendly with whoever you want to be I don’t see why bowing makes you not want the game they bow when they greet each other. They have to make Animal Crossing New Horizon diverse for all holidays because it’s a game that is revolving around the real world time and holidays. That would make no sense to cut stuff out because we all live in different parts of the world they need to reflect that.

By doing it they side one country to another.By removing an action because it offend some one else.They can so what they want, but it dosen't make it right.

I understand that but it’s not like this game is represented actual peoples lives. So they could have just as easily put in a bow to a fake culture. Like Sims Medieval has fake religions so they don’t offend anyone.

Oh I agree with you.To me they shouldn't took it out.
Lorenerd11
4 years ago
"temporalgod;c-17730778" wrote:

At this point it's American Politics, I don't even support their Oompa Loompa president, but you know it's bad when even centrists like me don't like a certain political party.

What? How does people having opinions on Twitter have anything to do with US electoral politics?
I don't think we had any Democratic officials opine on Japanese-themed Sims 4 expansion packs, or anything else of that variety.
Barbie430
4 years ago
"Lorenerd11;c-17731037" wrote:
"temporalgod;c-17730778" wrote:

At this point it's American Politics, I don't even support their Oompa Loompa president, but you know it's bad when even centrists like me don't like a certain political party.

What? How does people having opinions on Twitter have anything to do with US electoral politics?
I don't think we had any Democratic officials opine on Japanese-themed Sims 4 expansion packs, or anything else of that variety.

We’re in the same boat of confusion. I have no idea what’s going on in this thread anymore. The “PC” rants just fly by me these days but the comparison to literal fascism is a new one.
Sigzy_29
New Spectator
4 years ago
"pepperjax1230;c-17730921" wrote:
"Sigzy05;c-17730547" wrote:
"Darkwingz;d-983684" wrote:
For those that pre-ordered the Snowy Escape Pack, I got notified by a user that bowing at shrines can no longer be done.
The Sims 4 team aims to be inclusive, yet actively censors and removes Japanese culture.
This is just as nonsensical as adding in a prayer bench, and then removing a prayer function because Jews and Christians have historically not got along.
It not only removes inclusivity of people who the prayer base does represent, but acts as if bowing in Japan isn't the norm.
If we can have a menorah in Animal Crossing New Horizons, then we should be able to unlock bowing in the Sims4.
To do otherwise would only make a further mockery of EA's historical videogame failings.
I look forward to the Kinder Egg crew's more ironic statements to back up this kneel to a fake cancel culture movement.

When I heard they removed that feature, I was turned off from buying the pack even more. There's no reason whatsoever for the removal of the bowing interaction in the shrine, especially if bowing wasn't even going to be autonomous. Instead of giving their players options in a lifesim, EAxis simply chooses to remove things to appease to the Karen mob and as long as they keep doing ❤️❤️❤️❤️ like this, I keep on not buying. What EAxis did was basically side with one culture over the other, when they could have just kept the interaction for the players to use it if they felt like it. And if this world was strictly Korean inspired, I'd understand it, but it's not, which is even more of a reason to not remove it in favor of another culture.

It’s a game and of course they are going to take it out. Out of respect for the people who live there. Though that being said they can do whatever they want to the game and EA and Nintendo aren’t the same company. EA wants the game to be friendly with whoever you want to be I don’t see why bowing makes you not want the game they bow when they greet each other. They have to make Animal Crossing New Horizon diverse for all holidays because it’s a game that is revolving around the real world time and holidays. That would make no sense to cut stuff out because we all live in different parts of the world they need to reflect that.

Who live where? Korea? When Mount Komorebi is taking most of it's inspiration from Japanese culture? Again, there's no reason to remove this option. What if people in Russia said gay marriage was offensive to them, that they didn't want it in the game and EA removed that option?...like come on now.

This isn't making it diverse for all, it's literally appealing to one side only lmao But you're totally right, it's their game, and I don't support these nonsensical dimwitted lazy decisions so I haven't bought the pack and don't plan to.
Lorenerd11
4 years ago
Honestly, I'm not sure if it's even that big a deal. Alright, so shrines don't have a dedicated bowing interaction, so what? Lots of decorative objects don't, including some with cultural significance. The Menorah object, for instance, doesn't have any special interactions beyond lighting individuals candles.

I don't think it was essential to enjoying the contents of the pack at all.
InuMiroLover
New Spectator
4 years ago
"Lorenerd11;c-17731543" wrote:
Honestly, I'm not sure if it's even that big a deal. Alright, so shrines don't have a dedicated bowing interaction, so what? Lots of decorative objects don't, including some with cultural significance. The Menorah object, for instance, doesn't have any special interactions beyond lighting individuals candles.

I don't think it was an essential to enjoying the contents of the pack at all.

I have to agree. I understand both sides of the issue of course, and I sympathize with those where bowing is very meaningful in their culture. But this one interaction doesnt make up 90% of the pack. If you ask me, its one of those interactions that you'll use a few times and then forget about. But yet Ive seen enough complaints that make it seem as though the whole pack was thrown out. One interaction was removed and yet somehow the world keeps spinning. Amazing.