Would you like a modern Jacoban and Peteran religion (TSM) for The Sims 4?

Really think people need to get a grip when it comes to religion, why shouldn't it be included if thats what people want? There are loads of religious people and it is their right to hold those beliefs. If you don't want religion in your game then don't add/build a church, mosque, temple etc. I am not religious myself but don't see the problem in including it for those who are.

2011simone wrote:
Really think people need to get a grip when it comes to religion, why shouldn't it be included if thats what people want? There are loads of religious people and it is their right to hold those beliefs. If you don't want religion in your game then don't add/build a church, mosque, temple etc. I am not religious myself but don't see the problem in including it for those who are.

This is how I feel. While I know nothing about game coding, I've played Sims 1, 2 and 3 a lot, as well as other games, and all of them are dependent on options that have to be coded into the game. Why couldn't they add the possibility for religion, for those who want it, and not enforce it upon those who aren't interested?

I liked the Jacoban and Peteran religions in Sims Medieval and felt it worked fairly well. I could see myself using these functions in game. I've made a church building for weddings in the past and recently I experimented with career mods and got the Preacher and Monk/Nun careers from Mod the Sims. I've used them a little in appropriate worlds.

I know that there's always the risk of offending someone by including something they don't want, but clearly there are people who have the opposing view, so I'm wondering why the naysayers are more "valued" than the ones who would like religion in the game? We could just as well say the same about all the Supernatural content, when some people are against witchcraft, yet EA has put witches in Sims 1, Sims 2, Sims 3 AND Sims Medieval. Some people probably hate aliens, yet we got them in 2 and 3. In Sims 2 we had them in the base game, and in Sims 3 they came with one of the most high profile EPs (Seasons).

I understand that EA is probably trying to save themselves some grief by not offending the atheist brigade, or by getting religion "wrong" and thus offending some demonination or other, but to me this is a case of political correctness going overboard...again.

When I was a kid, schools in the UK were Christian by default and we had to go to assemblies with guests from the local churches, read/listen to Bible stories and sing hymns, unless our parents opted us out on the basis of an alternative religion, particularly in first and middle school. While my family was never particularly religious and didn't go to church, having Christian-based assemblies was normal. We even learned a bit about a couple of other faiths as we got a bit older.

In my childhood, Christianity was a cultural framework in the UK and most people were fine with that. However, with the onset of political correctness and multi-culturalism, I get the impression that the focus has changed a lot and even Nativity plays are much less common, because of all the different faiths coming into the country. But to be honest, several of the major holidays we have in the UK are based around religious festivals i.e. Christmas, Easter, though it can be argued that even they are based on older pre-Christian faiths. Sims 3 has watered down versions of these events in Egg Hunts and Gift Giving Festivals so I don't see why religion itself is such a problem!

Yes. I liked the Jacoban and Peteran religions from TSM. If there is no religion in TS4, I would at least like the means for players to create them if they choose to do so. I think this can be done by providing cultural/historical architecture, objects like the lectern, and most importantly (and missing from TS3) is a way to make our own permanent groups of sims. And to be able to choose the sims in the groups, the activities they do, and their interests. These would not be 'religious' features but could be used as tools to build them if individual players want to. For example, the 'group' feature would also allow for things like book-groups, study groups, exercise groups, cooking groups.... etc etc etc.

I strongly feel the game will be better if players are given choice, freedom to be creative, and the appropriate tools and features.

2011simone wrote:
Really think people need to get a grip when it comes to religion, why shouldn't it be included if thats what people want? There are loads of religious people and it is their right to hold those beliefs. If you don't want religion in your game then don't add/build a church, mosque, temple etc. I am not religious myself but don't see the problem in including it for those who are.

Well the good things about 'groups' returning in TS4, and hope they do work like TS2's groups worked but better, we can at least build a church and have them all attend it at one time. I have used the podiums in the games (in TS2 they all sit and listen) while a Sim gave a speech.

I like my groups in the TS2. I'm not sure them claiming 'for the first time ever' about how groups work in TS4 is entirely true, since TS2 has already done it, and it worked very well. I take them bowling, to church, out to dinner and lots of other places, even clubs, or to the community pools or beaches in TS2.

At least we can use that feature to play what we can imagine or build what we can see or imagine. :lol:

No thank you. It is a nice idea, but I think it would be too restrictive, at least for the way I play. It worked well for the more structured, quest-driven TSM, but I don't think it would be right for the main Sims series.

manii24 wrote:
How will the worshiping work? That's a totally different question. I know I definitely don't want my sims to read a religious book or get on their knees and prey for forgiveness. I wouldn't even want the union of two sims (marriage) to be linked to said religion either.

Well some people would like that the marriage could be tied to it if they desire, and i myself would like to see they to pray for me, i think that could come in hand if one decided to make some dramatic scene for a movie or what not. One solution is to make one of TSM religions with the priests jobs etc and a rename system to the god or godeth or wathever...and rename the religious group too.

Conclusion: It's a touchy subject for a lot of people. But hey, if they ever manage to find a way around it and make it so all of us can be okay with it, then I'll be willing to give it a try, so long it is not a mandatory feature and I can disable it if I so desire.

Having Options is good to everyone.

GreenCats wrote:
No thank you. It is a nice idea, but I think it would be too restrictive, at least for the way I play. It worked well for the more structured, quest-driven TSM, but I don't think it would be right for the main Sims series.

Even in TSM is totally optional to go in any of churches and many of quests have nothing to do with then. I dont see your reasoning here. The only restrictive thing is not let devs build something to other players because YOU would not want it. Just dont put the freaking building in your city!

Cinderellimouse wrote:
Yes. I liked the Jacoban and Peteran religions from TSM. If there is no religion in TS4, I would at least like the means for players to create them if they choose to do so. I think this can be done by providing cultural/historical architecture, objects like the lectern, and most importantly (and missing from TS3) is a way to make our own permanent groups of sims. And to be able to choose the sims in the groups, the activities they do, and their interests. These would not be 'religious' features but could be used as tools to build them if individual players want to. For example, the 'group' feature would also allow for things like book-groups, study groups, exercise groups, cooking groups.... etc etc etc.

I strongly feel the game will be better if players are given choice, freedom to be creative, and the appropriate tools and features.

Those are really nice ideas! I don't think I took full advantage of the groups system in TS2, but it sounds like it opened up a lot of possibilities.

Gleed wrote:
Hi everyone. :)
I've been thinking about religons for the sims 4, something that is not offensive for all the sensitive people and even better if it's a facultative option for the game (For example, religions can be active only if there is a church in the town).
I think that a modern version of the sims medieval religions would be amazing for ceremonies (weddings and funerals) and maybe sims can even be priest and make this a job a la ambitions. :-)
So, what do you think about that? :mrgreen:
(ps. i'm sorry if i made mistakes with grammar, i'm not that good at english! :lol: )

Yes, I would like to see it return for TS4.

v12creator wrote:

GreenCats wrote:
No thank you. It is a nice idea, but I think it would be too restrictive, at least for the way I play. It worked well for the more structured, quest-driven TSM, but I don't think it would be right for the main Sims series.

Even in TSM is totally optional to go in any of churches and many of quests have nothing to do with then. I dont see your reasoning here. The only restrictive thing is not let devs build something to other players because YOU would not want it. Just dont put the freaking building in your city!

Perhaps I didn't explain my reasoning properly. I'm sorry to have made you so angry :(

If you choose to place the buildings in TSM and choose to play the Peteran or Jacoben priest, you have to accept these fully worked-out religions that come with them. I think that works very well for TSM, and I like the way both of the religions are designed, but I do not think the same setup would be good for the Sims series. So that's why I said no to the original suggestion. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear to what I was saying no.

As I'm sure you can see in what I wrote next, I am certainly open to a more customizable system, such as that Cinderellimouse suggested. I'm not sure I would use it to create religions, but it still sounds like something that would make the sims a better, more flexible game, and others could have fun creating religions that were just right for them and their game.

manii24 wrote:
Again, touchy subject. And I don't see this being implemented into the game. However, people have been talking about groupings coming back to TS4 or whatever. Maybe you could create your own grouping and pretend that's your religion. The rest would probably have to be your own imagination.

It could use the one animations in TSM, EA should quit being overboard with Politically correct. "Touchy Subject" stands for bulls.hit. If EA find a way of alowing us to select a group of special animations to our group and define things such as some clothings and place in town then i would be happy, and not just would create my custom religious group as i would use it to create a good variation of groups such as bikers, riches, mafia etc.

But not just something lazy-designed such as plain naming a group.

As I'm sure you can see in what I wrote next, I am certainly open to a more customizable system, such as that Cinderellimouse suggested. I'm not sure I would use it to create religions, but it still sounds like something that would make the sims a better, more flexible game, and others could have fun creating religions that were just right for them and their game.

Good enough for me.