@SimGuruModSquad @SimGuruTwoLegs,Hi, I'm not sure which SimGuru is currently covering this forum. If I have tagged the wrong person, I apologize; please let me know who I should tag.Since the last patch, there have been numerous reports about broken items with custom deco slots (bookcases, tables, shelves, etc.). The problem appears to be the addition of an apparently arbitrary limit on the number of bones an item can have. This change has impacted packages with custom added slots, causing these items to crash the game.Before this patch, there was no reported limit on the number of deco slots that could be added to an item that functioned in the game. Since this patch, no mod can have more than 195 bones in the rig resource. This limits the number of slots that an item can have and still function in the game.The result is that many CC items are now causing the game to crash. People have been making Sims 4 CC items with more than 195 bones for years. Thus, this change is causing a very large number of items to crash the game. Fixing this on our end would require all creators to modify all the creations they've made for the last several years.What we're hoping is that EA will back out this possibly unintended change so that the years of work our community has put in on an enormous amount of content does not require creators to fix all of these many items. There is no graceful way for us to fix this with a batch fix, and making these items game-safe would reduce their appeal to players (it would require removing slots that players want). I would like to emphasize that this change is impacting a very large number of CC packages.If examples of the problem are needed, please let me know, and I will provide them.

Hey! As far as I know, Maxis is aware of this issue, but we won't know what will be the decision on it until the next game update, which might come sooner than later. You might have seen a retweet about this from QA: https://twitter.com/itsmeTroi/status/1195067041994162180In-game rigs are limited for different types of objects, so I'm not surprised they made the decision to keep things consistent without realizing that its inconsistency was being exploited on a large scale. A decision to back out from that change means leaning towards mods compatibility, which Maxis has past examples of doing so. I would even like to see the rig bones limit lifted for all objects, but that's just a dream.My most optimistic view on it would be to have someone offer a mass solution. I would nicley ask Andrew from Sims4Studio to introduce a batch fix for CC furniture slots, that would solve most people's issues.

We cannot batch fix this very well while sticking to EA's convention of a bone for every slot, because we can't make a batch fix that "knows" which slots the creator would most like to retain and which they're willing to give up. For example, a batch fix solution would leave many bookcases with one shelf with slots and no slots on all the other shelves - i.e., not what's wanted. Further, the reason many items have lots of slots is that players want items with lots of slots, and the presence of lots of slots has never been a problem before.The optimistic view is that EA will remove this arbitrary limitation so creators don't have to repair over three years' worth of custom content. Has there been any response from EA as yet? I don't want to start advising people to start ripping slots off things until we know for sure what they plan to do about this issue.

I agree with OM. As a creator that designs objects with slots to avoid the useless MOO cheat, I am not willing to start pulling slots from my objects to please EA games. The other issue that might be worth some thought is that a lot of people pay for items like this because the game doesn't provide them. I imagine they are rather upset.

"_orangemittens_;c-17315437" wrote:We cannot batch fix this very well while sticking to EA's convention of a bone for every slot, because we can't make a batch fix that "knows" which slots the creator would most like to retain and which they're willing to give up. For example, a batch fix solution would leave many bookcases with one shelf with slots and no slots on all the other shelves - i.e., not what's wanted. Further, the reason many items have lots of slots is that players want items with lots of slots, and the presence of lots of slots has never been a problem before.The optimistic view is that EA will remove this arbitrary limitation so creators don't have to repair over three years' worth of custom content. Has there been any response from EA as yet? I don't want to start advising people to start ripping slots off things until we know for sure what they plan to do about this issue.Oh, hey, just noticed your name. You definitely have the best perspective on this situation in that case. Very true, there's no reliable way of handling any mass solution. Since most of the affected objects will be counters, tables, and shelves of varied shapes, in a situation where Maxis would not revert this change, a way of filtering these objects would be useful.It would be nice to know what are their plans but the current state is unknown. The bug was passed on to the developers by the QA, but the solution is yet to be decided on, or at least yet to be implemented. This can possibly not come anytime soon, but I can confirm that this is one of the top 3 crash causes after the recent patch. I don't know how common this kind of furniture is, and I don't think they know either, so this should supposedly be a reason to release a hotfix early next week if the scale is large enough.It's possible a fix won't be out right away with the volume of issues introduced by the new patch. They aren't as game-breaking as this, but if more of them can be covered at once, that would push the hotfix release a little.

Part of the appeal of the Sims in general is the major amount of customization that we have in the form of Custom Content, from create a sim to build and buy. To have a shelf, bookcases, and the beloved Bramblefinch Apothecary Cabinet, that has been part of my Sims experience (in some cases for years) suddenly stop working and crash literally E V E R Y save I have is so disheartening. I am with everyone else and I TRULY hope this issue is fixed on EA's end.

Slot mods after the November 2019 patch

MR_TURBODRIVER
Seasoned Newcomer
5 years ago
Hey! As far as I know, Maxis is aware of this issue, but we won't know what will be the decision on it until the next game update, which might come sooner than later. You might have seen a retweet about this from QA: https://twitter.com/itsmeTroi/status/1195067041994162180

In-game rigs are limited for different types of objects, so I'm not surprised they made the decision to keep things consistent without realizing that its inconsistency was being exploited on a large scale. A decision to back out from that change means leaning towards mods compatibility, which Maxis has past examples of doing so. I would even like to see the rig bones limit lifted for all objects, but that's just a dream.

My most optimistic view on it would be to have someone offer a mass solution. I would nicley ask Andrew from Sims4Studio to introduce a batch fix for CC furniture slots, that would solve most people's issues.
orangemittens1
5 years ago
We cannot batch fix this very well while sticking to EA's convention of a bone for every slot, because we can't make a batch fix that "knows" which slots the creator would most like to retain and which they're willing to give up. For example, a batch fix solution would leave many bookcases with one shelf with slots and no slots on all the other shelves - i.e., not what's wanted. Further, the reason many items have lots of slots is that players want items with lots of slots, and the presence of lots of slots has never been a problem before.

The optimistic view is that EA will remove this arbitrary limitation so creators don't have to repair over three years' worth of custom content. Has there been any response from EA as yet? I don't want to start advising people to start ripping slots off things until we know for sure what they plan to do about this issue.
FreeasabirdS4S
5 years ago
I agree with OM. As a creator that designs objects with slots to avoid the useless MOO cheat, I am not willing to start pulling slots from my objects to please EA games. The other issue that might be worth some thought is that a lot of people pay for items like this because the game doesn't provide them. I imagine they are rather upset.
MR_TURBODRIVER
Seasoned Newcomer
5 years ago
"_orangemittens_;c-17315437" wrote:
We cannot batch fix this very well while sticking to EA's convention of a bone for every slot, because we can't make a batch fix that "knows" which slots the creator would most like to retain and which they're willing to give up. For example, a batch fix solution would leave many bookcases with one shelf with slots and no slots on all the other shelves - i.e., not what's wanted. Further, the reason many items have lots of slots is that players want items with lots of slots, and the presence of lots of slots has never been a problem before.

The optimistic view is that EA will remove this arbitrary limitation so creators don't have to repair over three years' worth of custom content. Has there been any response from EA as yet? I don't want to start advising people to start ripping slots off things until we know for sure what they plan to do about this issue.

Oh, hey, just noticed your name. You definitely have the best perspective on this situation in that case. Very true, there's no reliable way of handling any mass solution. Since most of the affected objects will be counters, tables, and shelves of varied shapes, in a situation where Maxis would not revert this change, a way of filtering these objects would be useful.

It would be nice to know what are their plans but the current state is unknown. The bug was passed on to the developers by the QA, but the solution is yet to be decided on, or at least yet to be implemented. This can possibly not come anytime soon, but I can confirm that this is one of the top 3 crash causes after the recent patch. I don't know how common this kind of furniture is, and I don't think they know either, so this should supposedly be a reason to release a hotfix early next week if the scale is large enough.
It's possible a fix won't be out right away with the volume of issues introduced by the new patch. They aren't as game-breaking as this, but if more of them can be covered at once, that would push the hotfix release a little.
ForkrootTeaPart
5 years ago
Part of the appeal of the Sims in general is the major amount of customization that we have in the form of Custom Content, from create a sim to build and buy.

To have a shelf, bookcases, and the beloved Bramblefinch Apothecary Cabinet, that has been part of my Sims experience (in some cases for years) suddenly stop working and crash literally E V E R Y save I have is so disheartening.

I am with everyone else and I TRULY hope this issue is fixed on EA's end.
orangemittens1
5 years ago
Studio can add a feature that goes through and sequesters items with more than the arbitrary number of slots dictated by the game. However, if EA is going to fix the problem promptly, this step would be a waste of time.

Judging by the very large number of posts and PMs about this problem at Studio forums, there are a lot of affected items. That makes sense given that people have been making slotted CC for years and Studio's slot editor makes it very easy to add tons of slots in minutes. Further, manual fixing by the creator means that resolving this problem on the community side will not just be a PIA for creators. Every player with a now-broken slot mod will have to track down the site where they got it, see if the creator updated, and redownload if an update is available.

In the past, when issues like this have occurred secondary to unintended patch changes, EA has been very good about letting us know the plan quickly. Hopefully, it will be the same this time.
KateLemonTea
5 years ago
I really hope EA is going to do something about the furniture issue's. I feel so sad that I can't play this game anymore...
LuvMySimz
Seasoned Novice
5 years ago
"theavocadoesarehere;c-17321509" wrote:
hi! this might be a dumb question but how do i know how many slots and item has? thanks!

open Studio and click the Ctrl key, the shift key, and the c key on your keyboard. This will bring up the cheat box. Type in slot195 and navigate to your Mods folder. Studio will prepare a list of all items in your folder that have over 195 slots.

You can read more about it here -> http://sims4studio.com/post/133811/thread
LlamaLissa
5 years ago
Thank you devs at S4S for the shower update. However, the slot thing I guess is still causing crashes? Do we know a status on this? I haven't updated or purchased University yet due to all the people having crash problems with CC. Maxis needs to fix this! I guess I'm done with future purchases. Up to this time, I owned all the packs. I also have a ton of CC and won't play without it.
XXLunarSimsXX
New Spectator
5 years ago
My game loads up perfectly. I can use CAS and edit lots but I cannot press play on a family. Frankly, it's irritating that I can play around with everything but the sims in live mode. I refuse to play without CC since I use it for story telling.