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e6libqcnw8jv
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Sims 4 - Crashing with and without mods

This started occurring with the Businesses & Hobbies update. I started getting random crashes and eventually the game became unplayable due to the frequency of crashing. It got to the point where the game would sometimes crash before the main menu and other times it'd crash after 10-15 minutes in a new or previously saved game.

Anything obvious, I have tried. I'm an IT professional so I generally know what to do to fix things like this, but this has gone beyond anything I've seen before. I gave up for a few months and stopped playing, but I've recently updated to the newest patch. I'm using the legitimate version of the game via the EA app and have all of the DLCs.

Obviously, I went through mod troubleshooting using the 50/50 method and I realised it wasn't mods. I renamed my user data folder (documents\electronic arts\the sims 4), reinstalled the game (making sure to clear out the install folder before installing again) and let it create a new user data folder. Same problem on a completely fresh install with no mods or any remnants of my old user data.

Updated graphics drivers (they were out of date, but they're not now). As far as specs go, I have 32 GB RAM, RTX 4070 and i7 14700k as my main components - so obviously this is enough to run the game. Reinstalled and updated graphics drivers. Reinstalled C++ redistributable. Windows updates. DISM and SFC. Installed the game to a different drive. Disabled Nvidia overlay. Launched with DX9 instead of 12. Tried lower graphic settings, capping refresh rate and lowering resolution. Switched between windowed & fullscreen. Nothing has worked. I've ruled out the issue being the EA app as well.

Sometimes I'll get into a saved game for around 10-15 minutes before the game freezes then crashes to the desktop. Sometimes it will crash on the splash screen before the main menu. Sometimes it'll crash whilst in the main menu, it all seems random. Has anyone ever encountered anything like this? This is quite literally the only game that does this, too. Normally with something like this I'd assume it's the game, but no one else seems to be having the problem. The only reasonable thing I can think is that this may be an issue that's come from a recent update and only affecting people with certain hardware?

  • e6libqcnw8jv​  Sorry for the late-ish reply; I ran out of time for the forums yesterday.  Anyway, most of the WERs in your dxdiag are crashes of the graphics driver, so I'd suggest a clean uninstall (with Display Driver Uninstaller) and reverting to an older driver, maybe the one from mid-March, which seems to have been stable in that Nvidia didn't update it for a while.  You're probably familiar with DDU, but in case you're not, or in case someone else reads this:

    https://crinrict.com/blog/2019/02/clean-re-install-of-graphics-drivers-with-display-driver-uninstaller-ddu.html

    You can get older drivers here:

    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/

    Choose Game Ready Driver as the Download Type to be able to go back further.

    If that doesn't help, this error:

    Fault bucket 1396281695001427650, type 4
    Event Name: APPCRASH
    Response: Not available
    Cab Id: 0

    Problem signature:
    P1: TS4_x64.exe
    P2: 1.116.232.1030
    P3: 687073a4
    P4: python37_x64.dll
    P5: 3.7.150.1013
    P6: 67f85748
    P7: c0000005
    P8: 000000000004423b
    P9: 
    P10: 

    is associated with 13th/14th-gen, i7 or i9, K-series Intel CPUs that the motherboard may overclock by default to the point of instability.  The problem setting is called CPU Turbo Boost in most cases (Asus has a slightly different name, I think, but still with Turbo in the name) and is in the BIOS Advanced settings.  Sometimes a BIOS update fixes the issue, but when it doesn't, disabling this setting usually addresses it.

    As for why only Sims 4 is affected (as far as I know), I have no idea.  I know this was a problem for more applications a year ago, to the point that Intel updated the microcode specifically to address it, but why Sims 4 is sometimes still affected is a mystery to me.

    And of course your CPU temps spiking to 100 C is a bad thing regardless of why it's happening.  I'd be curious to know whether disabling the BIOS setting prevents these spikes entirely or only lowers the peak temperatures.

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  • e6libqcnw8jv's avatar
    e6libqcnw8jv
    Seasoned Novice
    4 days ago

    Typo correction - obviously meant DX11 instead of DX12 😀

    Also I should probably point out that the bluescreen listed in my dxdiag didn't occur while playing The Sims but it seemed to just be a one-off. 

  • e6libqcnw8jv's avatar
    e6libqcnw8jv
    Seasoned Novice
    3 days ago

    To update... I'm noticing that when I actually manage to get in the game and the game is about to crash, any interactions will stall (for example, if I tell a sim to move somewhere, the action will queue but they won't move). I hear my fans start to spin up on my PC, so I started monitoring temps and my CPU jumps from around 50c (average) to sometimes above 100c when this happens, which is then when it crashes. Something in this game is going absolutely insane. 

  • e6libqcnw8jv​  Sorry for the late-ish reply; I ran out of time for the forums yesterday.  Anyway, most of the WERs in your dxdiag are crashes of the graphics driver, so I'd suggest a clean uninstall (with Display Driver Uninstaller) and reverting to an older driver, maybe the one from mid-March, which seems to have been stable in that Nvidia didn't update it for a while.  You're probably familiar with DDU, but in case you're not, or in case someone else reads this:

    https://crinrict.com/blog/2019/02/clean-re-install-of-graphics-drivers-with-display-driver-uninstaller-ddu.html

    You can get older drivers here:

    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/

    Choose Game Ready Driver as the Download Type to be able to go back further.

    If that doesn't help, this error:

    Fault bucket 1396281695001427650, type 4
    Event Name: APPCRASH
    Response: Not available
    Cab Id: 0

    Problem signature:
    P1: TS4_x64.exe
    P2: 1.116.232.1030
    P3: 687073a4
    P4: python37_x64.dll
    P5: 3.7.150.1013
    P6: 67f85748
    P7: c0000005
    P8: 000000000004423b
    P9: 
    P10: 

    is associated with 13th/14th-gen, i7 or i9, K-series Intel CPUs that the motherboard may overclock by default to the point of instability.  The problem setting is called CPU Turbo Boost in most cases (Asus has a slightly different name, I think, but still with Turbo in the name) and is in the BIOS Advanced settings.  Sometimes a BIOS update fixes the issue, but when it doesn't, disabling this setting usually addresses it.

    As for why only Sims 4 is affected (as far as I know), I have no idea.  I know this was a problem for more applications a year ago, to the point that Intel updated the microcode specifically to address it, but why Sims 4 is sometimes still affected is a mystery to me.

    And of course your CPU temps spiking to 100 C is a bad thing regardless of why it's happening.  I'd be curious to know whether disabling the BIOS setting prevents these spikes entirely or only lowers the peak temperatures.

  • e6libqcnw8jv's avatar
    e6libqcnw8jv
    Seasoned Novice
    2 days ago

    puzzlezaddict​ Thanks for the response. Just to say, since my post I've also tried all of that regarding the graphics drivers. I rolled back my drivers to a few different older versions and it didn't seem to make a difference.

    And yes, the problems with the 13th & 14th gen CPUs have been resolved with the microcode update, as far as I know. However, one thing I didn't realize was that this "CPU Turbo" setting was enabled in the BIOS. I've gone and disabled that and tried the game again... I think this may have been part of the cause. 

    I've not had a lot of time to test extensively, but I'm not noticing the CPU spike when I launch the game anymore. I'm noticing that it's taking a very long time to load (whether it's a saved game or new game) and I'm still getting some occassional stuttering, BUT it hasn't crashed yet. As the problem is fairly random, I'll do some testing tonight and see if I can run it for an extended period of time before saying it's fixed.

    But thank you - this may be a cause for a lot of people who are reporting crashes as of recent. Like I guessed in my initial post, it seems like something with the new update may be causing problems with particular hardware. 

  • e6libqcnw8jv​  This wasn't really your question, but for the stutter or other fps drops, changing these settings in GraphicsRules may help:

    Camera movements very choppy since BH patch | EA Forums - 12185589

    The key is the distance at which the game switches between LODs, as in, the LODs can be equal and you'd still see a performance hit when the game recalculates as it switches.  Increasing the distance to almost the max is what fixes the problem.  And of course your hardware can handle rendering everything on-screen at the maximum level of detail.

    Hopefully the original problem stays fixed.

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