Ranked Worlds/Elite Worlds Idea

What you are suggesting seems to have evolved. (Your English is understandable.)

Players to gain a maximum of 5 badges, on standard worlds and then they can access advanced worlds.
(I like this better than forcing them to move.) I'd place a restriction so that the badges need to be 1st to 3rd place. They'd be unable to join new standard worlds if they have the 5 required badges.

Players without the required level of badges can join only standard worlds.

This seems possible as they already have restrictions on access to the WCS and Vet servers - the code may need altering, but the basis is in existence already.

The next part would be to make advanced worlds attractive to experienced players and to those who aspire to be experienced players.

They would need to be sufficiently different to make the harder (but not impossible) to progress but sufficiently similar to remain the 'same game'. Suggestions welcome!

"BambiByte;c-2069257" wrote:
Killing 7 more fortresses really gives time for developers. :) Mainly if a player does not play on multiple worlds paralelly.
e.g. My badge for 4th place on Tib26 took a year - so I will play on an advanced world in 7 years, in 2026. Right? ;)

No - you don't need to kill 7 more fortresses if you can get into top alliances killing it in 1st - 3rd places.

New rules should come alive for players after introducing the rules, on the world what a player chooses next. (allowing 2 more badges on normal worlds max, if he/she already has the necessary points for playing on elite worlds.)

New scoring only comes in for worlds announced after the introduction of the new rules.

When the new rules are published, the notice could contain the date when they will be valid from. This date should give enough time for developers. Existing badges from Veteran worlds shall be counted with multiplier.
This is also a possibility for players to have elevetad rights sooner, if they join an elite server in the transitional period. ...not to mention that it will speed up the planned sorting of pro and beginner players.

Badges from traditional Veteran worlds (after the new rules) could score points in the same way as killing a fortress. Existing badges counting with a multiplying factor, as with existing fortress badges.

Once you are able to join an elite world, you get no additional or elevated rights. New badges, new features, new AI~ enemies with new weapons to battle are what you get.

"BambiByte;c-2069182" wrote:
It is a good idea with that point system - I like the nonlinear parts. It will manage the availability of veteran worlds. I can not decide if it is good enough or not, but it is possible to find out that how many players have at least one badge for 1st place (I think, not so much - the distribution of the first places is not linear at all). I guess, a player has to play years for getting entitled to join a veteran server...

- I would rather bind veteran rights to having a 3rd or better place once, or the equivalent points together. This would be the max badges what you can earn on normal wolds as well.

The transition period should make it possible to gain two more for old players with enough points - let's say, from now on...

After these all, weeping would not exist about who is king on normal and veteran worlds :)

'Normal' worlds should be called and mentioned as "boot camps". Many of the games have difficulty levels, so players would accept is easily.

Points should be kept and accumulated also on veteran worlds for new possibilities and rewards.

As there are 50 players from each world where the fortress has been killed that have 1st place badges - with over 400 worlds that would be a large number of unique players - There maybe less with 2nd and 3rd place badges because of the assistance and the way alliances help wings - but if even 20 new players gain 2nd and 20 gain 3rd place badges that's 90 players per world.

Of course the number of players with more than one 1st, 2nd and 3rd place badges will be considerably less than the potential 90x400 (36000) badge holders. How much less I don't know and only a determined script writer or developer could get that information.

@EE_Elephterion asks what would be special on the elite worlds? And @BambiByte replied ask the elite players. I agree with @BambiByte - it is the elite players that should have an input on features to improve, change, remove and add. On Units to improve, change, remove, add etc.

I've enhanced the thread title to reflect the discussion better that we have arrived at. And my question was partially open to everyone, as anyone can chime in with their ideas what they'd want from a world that is labeled Elite. So anyone is invited to provide their ideas here.

As many replies throughout the discussion on what to do after a fortress kill have said, removing a player from a world for being on the winning team seems like a punishment, especially if you have spent hundreds or thousands of Dollars/Euros/Pounds (replace with whatever currency you use).

World 16 (old world or Tiberium world) is an old world. If you're not in the 'favoured' group, then move on to a new world. I don't see the development team moving players off one world onto another forcibly. What is needed, as has already been discussed at length here, is something to encourage them to move. If no encouragement works then it just has to be the way it is!

Interesting discussion here !
Sounds like a good idea, all for removing or teleporting badged players to the next world, and making that next world more interesting. If this ever gets implied, I would lower the level of the fort every time it is shot, since usually, the lower ranked alliances, are smaller then the higher ranked ones. Then no high level helpers would be needed. Since they have moved to the 'elite world', they will not be available to help anyone.
Till that is implied, a suggestion to the points / badge system: the helper teams that stay on a world to help other alliances badge, should get a different kind of badge, whith allocated points to each fort they help shoot. I would use a reverse rank system here: the first one gets less points than the 2nd, 3rd, 4th , ... they help kill in the same server of course ! e.g. 1 st fort they helped: 1000, 2 nd 2000, 3 rd 3000, etc .
And why not create a 'Sandbox server', a place where you can go and practice as much as you want? An elite world for the best or badged, and a sandbox, free for all, to practice , grow, reset your lvl , ...

All these ideas do not fix the fundamental problem here. The game is one-note. If you PVE really well, it will cover up the lack of PVP skill. The game has completely nixed PVP. It's secondary to PvE. The best PVP players in the game are the best PvE players because the game is based on a power law progression.

Since EA dev's refuse to fix PvP because of problems with cheating, an artificial fix must be added. Reverse morale for PvP. The game checks to see the largest of either defense or offense in the defending and attacking base. If the difference between max levels is 4 then zero morale. For every level higher than 4 levels, morale increases by 10%.

< 4 Levels: 0 % Morale
+5: 10%
+6: 20%
+7: 30%
+8: 40%
+9: 50%
+10: 60%
+11: 70%
+12: 80%
+13: 90%
>14: 100%

Also, make SW more impactful. The easiest way is to make SW cost cheaper by player score. This will allow weaker players to increase SW with up to a 50% discount.

These artificial PVP morale additions are needed since PVP has been severely reduced in the game.

Sandbox server not needed. PTE server accomplishes that goal, and helps devs out.

Interesting but not so cool. I think.
- What will the 1st team do for - very long - months without other team on the "ranked" world?
- What if the 2nd badged team is from the same alliance family?
- What is the real purpose? Being away from the original server?
- Getting removed from a server right after the badge would prevent all the "diplo" relations even before the badge. You will not help other alliance, since they can not help you - paying back your efforts.
Without diplo layer of the game, it would be boring.

> - What will the 1st team do for - very long - months without other team on the "ranked" world?

they will probably leveling, but it is not difficult to restrict their movements before some other alliance joins, maybe there could be a restriction, that 3 alliances should join to release everyone from movement, also forgotten with high level bases won't make it easy to get in the middle of ranked server.

> - What if the 2nd badged team is from the same alliance family?

2nd alliance family should be good enough to take the fortress, to vanish or to level until they are prepared.

> - What is the real purpose? Being away from the original server?

There will be no more high level players who dictate the rules.
There will be no more rogue players and bullying, who destroy low level players for fun.
There will be no more ONE player alliances.
There will be no more alliance prioritization over other alliances, they will be mostly equal, more fun to play.
No more badge give over to their sister alliances, not players should decide who will get the badge, the game should decide it. If you are bad at strategy game, you lose, all strategy games work like that.

> - Getting removed from a server right after the badge would prevent all the "diplo" relations even before the badge. You will not help other alliance, since they can not help you - paying back your efforts.
> Without diplo layer of the game, it would be boring.

Yes indeed, players will behave differently, it will change the common type of game to more competitive and it requires alliance to work as a team. If you afraid of "diplo" relations changes, it means, that you like it when high level players dictate the rules to you.
I don't think, that many players eagerly will want to leave the server, as they know, that playing on ranked server SHOULD be harder. All forgotten bases on ranked server forgotten should be at level 50.

Winner team with stricted movements for months - say leveling the armies from 65 to (what level)? - is not so interesting to keep the activity on a healthy level.
- The tactics would be changed on the original server, not else. Winner would wait with badging until the whole alliance family is strong enough to repell all the attempts of dethroning.

You fear of high level players, but I do not know the reason since you have the same circumstances to be as big as they are.

Penalty for being a winner is not a so good idea. Following your thoughts, you shall be fired from your workplace if you are the most succesfull worker - to give place for the lazy and less smart ones. This way, the workplace would be lack of real challenge and the quality would be lowered in every branches of the operation. In real life, the well educated and motivated person would never have a chance to get the position what he deserves.