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Supported languages?
AHQ had a list of supported languages and anything posted in a 'non-supported' language was highlighted by pointing out that responses and postings should be in the supported languages. So far there has been no official word on what languages are 'supported' on these forums. In the absence any official word, I re-post the AHQ list suitably edited to reflect the new situation: Forum Languages: At the moment the following languages will be supported here for Tiberium Alliances. English Other languages may also be posted, replies will be in English. Deutsch Español Français Русский форум Português Jezyk polski Italian Nederlands I am unaware of plans for these languages going forward although it has been suggested there may, in time, be a German Language forum as was the case in the past and is the case on AHQ. Whilst many games are supported in different languages by their own AnswersHQ and EA staff who speak that language as their first language, here in Tiberium Alliances we have a German AHQ and an International Forum aka English. At present there is no German language forum for Tiberium Alliances and it is recommended that you continue to post in AHQ until the official position is made clear. Posts here should be made in English here (and in German in the German AHQ). If you wish, post in both your own language and in English. Google translate works well with many languages and there are other translation options on the internet for many languages. Answers will only be given in English, generally with either American or British spelling of words
General Farming Guidance FOR NOD Players
**Since WCS 2023 will be a morale world...farming season approaches. This guide is to help players of all skill levels. This should be taken as general guidance, and higher skill players will likely deviate based on individual play. Please reach out or post below for additional tips, tricks, techniques, and anything else you wish to discuss. For GDI players that have figured out farming perhaps posting a guide using the format below will be useful. :)** This farming guide is broken up into milestones related to army units researched. It also assumes all SP is used for CP. That means an account needs to be fully funded. Below are other assumptions that are important: 1. Average of 15 CP per OP is used. General guidance is to kill your OP-chain regardless of distance because the average RT used will generally be around 15 CP per OP if a player kills every OP in their OP chain. 2. Max RT used per 1-shot OP should be 1-hour or less. As player level increase, SP for CP increases. This leads to RT used per OP to decrease down to around 30 minutes per OP on average. On average means that majority of shots should be low, but some higher usage of RT can be used. This applies to average CP per OP as well. 3. All OPs are 1-shot only. No exceptions. 4. Farm area is fully utilized which means bases can’t be moved easily to squish bad OPs for a better OP. 5. This is for NOD only accounts 6. Army design is based on shooting all OPs spawned. That means this guide is not used for players wishing to be fully optimal in shooting OPs. Additionally, this guide is designed for a player to be consistent, spend as little time farming and simming to farm which leads to sustainable farming and reduces farming burnout. 7. Offense Research is prioritized over base building and rank. 8. The ranges in levels should be used as guides based on RT usage and ease of taking down OPs. 9. Distraction units are extremely important. 10. The army build type is helpful for farming, but also for digging when needed. It follows the concept of increasing army points as fast as possible, with a few select high level units, some mid-level units, and the rest to be low level and distraction level units. Mid-level and low-level units should be used as shields for the high level units. Before Vertigo 1. If morale worlds have malus at +4: Use least amount of CP per RP to gain vertigos. Usually, this means building an army to level 8-9 and activate level 14 or 15 tunnels. The goal here is to maximize RP per shot and finish an OP within 3 hits or less. 2. If morale worlds have malus at +7: Use least amount of CP per RP to gain vertigos. Usually, this means building an army to level 8-9 and shooting level 16-17 bases. After Vertigo 2. The goal is to get Command Center to equal the tunnel level (level 15) as fast as possible, and to level 2 vertigos to level 14-15 as quickly as possible. Keep all other units equal to or under level 8. 3. From this point forward, 1-shot OP rule is mandatory. No camps. Ever. 4. Drop down to shoot level 10-12 OPs if level 13 – 14 OPs are not 1-shots. 5. During this phase Base 2 should dropped, and RP for scorpions should be researched. After Scorpion 1. Scorpions should be researched once level 14 and level 15 OPs are being shot. Scorpions increase the range of OPs that can be easily 1-shot. The goal is to have 1 scorpion equal to the level of OP or minus 2 level (for example, level 14 OP = Level 12 or 14 scorpion). 2. At this point it is also helpful to have 1 venom that is high level similar to scorpion (for example, level 14 OP = Level 12 or 14 venom). At this point the tunnel activated is a level 16. That means a players account should have CC = level 16, 2 vertigos = level 14, 1 scorpion = level 12 – 14, 1 venom = level 12 -14. A player should also be working to have Airport = between Command Center level and – 4 levels of Command Center (for example, CC = level 16. Have airport between level 12 – 16. At minimum, the level of RT buildings should equal the level of highest non-building take down unit (scorpion, venom, cobra, etc) 3. After scorpion is researched, push for B3. After B3, push for cobra and cobra shield. After Cobras 1. Cobras are extremely important to combat flak towers before salamanders are researched. However, the catch is that at least 2 cobras need to be +2 levels of flak towers. That means if a flak tower is level 20. At least 2 cobras need to be level 22. 2. At this point, it is important to increase airport to equal the level of Cobra at minimum. If cobras = level 22 then the airport needs to be level 22 to level 24. If RT is an issue (especially before shields) consider investing in airport that is 2 levels higher than cobras. 3. This may be controversial, and it is selective on cred production, and cred from farming, but the next important offense research after cobra shield should be sniper, salamander, and then 4th base. However, this is dependent on play. Some players would rather run with a few high level cobras for most of server to drop bases faster. This all depends on play style. However, the key trick to remember is that more offense researches = more options to shoot OPs with 1 shot. This helps clear crappy OPs that would be hard to shoot from the farm area. 4. Also consider that defense researches will be needed and that it would be wise to have SW on all bases 100 percent of the time. This is insurance against surprise PvP and will also reduce spies from determining if PvP will happen since many alliances start building SW before PvP. If SW is required for all bases at a specified level, it eliminates this signal and makes it harder for challengers to plan for PvP. Some Other Tips and Tricks 1. Identify easy NOD OPs to shoot. a. Construction Yard at edge of the of the Forgotten base layout. b. Preferably, no air defense units or structures in line to the Construction Yard or air defense units or structures can be lured to one side and/or defeated by existing offense units. c. Once flak towers are unescapable, high level cobras can severely hurt these flaks, and vertigos along with vertigo shields can be used to bypass and kill CY. 2. As offense POIs are gained, usually only 2 high level vertigos will still be needed. When Salamanders are researched fully with heal, usually 1 high level vertigo will be needed. 3. Salamander should be researched before level 30 outposts. This will enable a player to hit more OPs with 1 shot. Until then, high level shielded cobras should be used to take down or be used as shields for forgotten flak towers. 4. When Salamander re-heal is researched should be based on how effectively RT is being used. Salamanders use up a lot of RT. A player must account for the high RT costs through a higher airport level until salamander re-heal is researched. Preferably, I would push for this upgrade before base 5 or 6. 5. If players will not fully fund or spend SP on CP then CP cost per OP becomes extremely important. In fact, its a trade off between time and CP usage. A player should aim for 13 CP per OP or less if costs to buy CP from SP is prohibitive. But this usually means waiting and giving up on OP-chains if OPs spawn out of the 13 CP range. That's the trade off.Mechanics of Spawning Camps and Outposts
Current as of 21.4 Update Spawning Mechanics of Camps • Camps are spawned by any base that has an army in it regardless of whether a base has a CC or not. • The level of camps is the maximum of either the defense or offense level rounded down. E.G. – Level 29.9 defense will be considered level 29 defense and thus spawn level 28 through Level 32 camps. • Camps levels that are spawned are between -1 and + 3 of the highest level between offense or defense. E.G. – Player base has level 20 offense level and level 25 defense level. Forgotten camps that are spawned will be between level 24 and level 28. • At Level 50 and higher, camps are spawned at -1 to 0 of the highest of defense or offense level or some worlds now have -1/+2 (this favors shooting camps over outposts on these worlds after level 50). • Every base with an offense will spawn two camps after the first farming quests are done at the start of the server (typically 10 total shots on the Forgotten). • Currently, the level of camps spawned is purely random between the ranges. Unlike outposts, the player's base level does not impact the probability of higher level camps spawning. Spawning Mechanics of Outposts • Tunnels are activated by any offense that is -6 levels or above of the tunnel level and within 4.5 spaces of tunnel. Example: Level 20 tunnel is activated by any offense with level 14 or higher. • A tunnel is fully activated by 5 bases with the right offense level (25% probability outpost spawn every hour with 100% probability spawn every hour with 5 bases). A tunnel needs to be fully activated to guarantee spawning an outpost every hour. • A tunnel will spawn an outpost up to 6.5 spaces away from the tunnel that is activated. • The maximum number of visible outposts visible for a tunnel is 10. That means a fully activated tunnel will have a total of 10 outposts visibly spawned, with the remaining outposts that have been "spawned" waiting in "queue". That's assuming a tunnel has been activated for more than 10 hours. • Based on several tests and experiences from other players, an outpost will spawn an unlimited amount of follow-up outposts after the associated tunnel is fully activated and has 10 spawned outposts. This has been confirmed. Once a tunnel is fully activated, there are unlimited respawns of OPs. • Camps do not impact the ability to spawn outposts. • Low offense levels do not impact the spawning of outposts once there are 5 outposts that have activated the tunnels. • Tunnels will spawn outposts -2 to +2 of the tunnel level. • The average level of outpost spawned or respawned by a follow-up is a function of the average level of player offense levels within 4.5 spaces of the tunnel. What this means is that as the average player offense level increases around a tunnel, the probability increases for higher level outposts. General rule of thumb is if the average player offense level is below the tunnels level, the outposts spawned will be -1 or -2 of the tunnel level. If the average offense level is above the level of the tunnel, the tunnel will spawn +1 or +2 outposts. General Tips and Tricks * An outpost resources is approximately equal to a camps resources 2 levels higher. Example: Level 20 outpost resources = level 22 camp resources. * Regardless of outpost or camp, the goal is to always 1-shot an outpost or camp. * In general, shoot using under 1 hour of RT per outpost of camp. * In general, 1-shot camps or outposts using 15CP or less. This is important early on as CP is the limiter in the early game, and RT tends to be the limiter in late game stages. * In general, it's important to have at least 2 high level building takedown units equal to the level of outpost being hit. Example: Level 20 outpost should have 2 level 20 vertigos or firehawks. Potential Changes to Farming * I believe a new modification to farming in the new update may impact what is optimal for farming. In general, the change should increase efficiency to shoot camps vs outposts at level 50+ during the later stage of a world. Specifically, some worlds have camps respawn at -1/+2 of either defense or offense level (whichever is higher). Changelog: * Updated to show guidance is current for Patch 21.1 * Added: Based on several tests and experiences from other players, an outpost will spawn an unlimited amount of follow-up outposts after the associated tunnel is fully activated and has 10 spawned outposts. * Added clarification of outpost respawns based on farming experience. 02FEB2022 * Added additional information on level of spawns under camp section. 02FEB2022 * Added general observation of what impacts outpost levels spawned. 02FEB2022 * Added new general tips and tricks section. 02FEB2022 * Added general rule of thumb of equivalent outpost to camp. 02FEB2022 * Updated to 21.4 Update. 02FEB2022
How your Offense Level is calculated
Level Calculation For calculating the Offense Level of your army, the value of every unit is considered and transferred into an arbitrary score. That score is based on the level, its Army Point Cost and a magic number that acts as a modifier to balance powerful units against weaker units. That score then gets calculated against a theoretical army score on a given level to find out how close you are to your army’s hypothetical power potential of that level. Unit Score First, the individual score of every of your fielded units is calculated. All Unit Scores add up to the final Player Army Score Offense Level Modifiers The strongest units of a faction have a magic number they bring into the formula. This ensures that, due to their power, these units are also weighted heavier in the calculation of the Offense Level. GDI Offense Level Modifiers: Commando: 2,6 Mammoth: 2,6 Juggernaut: 1,5 Kodiak: 2,6 Nod Offense Level Modifiers: Confessor: 1,5 Commando: 2,4 Avatar: 1,5 Specter: 2,6 Salamander: 2,6 Any unit not listed can be assumed to have an OLM of 0 (in words: Zero) Theoretical Army Score For calculating the Final Army level another value is needed, the value of an theoretical army using all available army points and has all units at its available max level. This does not take the magical numbers of the OLM into account. Army Score Fraction Before the Final Army Level, a Fraction is calculated based on the Player Army Score compared against the Theoretical Army Score of a given level. The game calculates the Theoretical Army Score from level 1 to 200 (just in case) and then checks the Player Army Score against that array of values. The TAS that is the next lower value to the PAS is then chosen as the Theoretical Army Score for the calculation. Both are subtracted with the TAS that is one level below the TAS corresponding to the PAS. Final Army Level Ultimately the Final Army Level is calculated with the formula below and rounded to two digits after the comma. If the TAS and PAS are identical, this value will return 1, which will result in an even Offense Level equal to the Command Center level, as intended. In some rare cases the Offense level may exceed the CC level. That is when fielding only endgame units with an OLM greater than 0 (see list) in a low-level army; like 6x level 10 Salamanders at a level 10 CC. Naturally, the mix of units is what ultimately decides the effectiveness of your army in combat, not the raw Offense Level alone. The strongest units won't be worth their repair costs if they are not used effectively.Guidance on Infected Challenges
I wanted to create a central topic for all things related to infected challenges. 1. Infected NPCs are spawned by placing bases with offense levels equal or greater than -6 of POIs within 4.5 spaces of the POI. Similar to spawning outposts. 2. For a POI to be fully activated for unlimited follow-ups of Infected NPCs, 5 bases within the proper offense levels must be within 4.5 spaces of the POI. 3. Once 35,000 NPCs (or whatever maximum is stated in the challenge screen) are spawned world wide, no more Infected NPCs will be spawned. That means it is best to quickly spawn and destroy the NPCs to ensure the maximum benefit of RT and CP is realized. My advice (if mainly after RT benefit) is to move to a lower level POI where you can easily shoot every single Infected NPC to quickly gain as much RT as possible. The CP cost is minimal since each Infected NPC also provides a certain amount of CP. The main bonus is RT. Shoot at the lowest cost possible, and if you have the funds, increase RT maximum to 7 days or so. This will allow you to have a nice RT buffer for PVP/PVE. Please post other tips and other aspects of Infected challenges here. I'll aggregate the information and update this post.
Damage Mechanic ?
Im interested to find out: 1. on offense, upgrading lvl 45 unit costs around 1.312 times, but how much does its atk power increase? 2. whats the atk bonus (or penalty) between unit class? eg blackhand vs fg tank/mammoth/scrap bus , scorpion/spectre vs sniper 3. any other tips to maximize dmg vs ai
How do Supplies actually work?
Hi guys I can't figure out how the dupplx system works. You generate supply points over time that's clear and I know how to spend them. But how can one buy multiple supplies? For example: I bought at level Lance Corporal COmmand Points, but I'm not able to buy more of them with my supply points because they're greyed out. CAn someone explain this system to me? It would be much appreciated. Thanks Joël
Ruleset: Uprising vs Morale vs Forgotten Attacks
Can anyone explain to me each of the three rulesets? I haven't played the game in a long time, so how does uprising and Morale work? I'm aware of how Forgotten attacks work, and how often they hit. Frequency depends on the forgotten bases around a player. More forgotten bases means you are more likely to be attacked, and in consecutive waves. In your opinions which individual Ruleset are the hardest and which double combination makes them even harder?The Ultimate Guide to Forgotten Attacks v0.5
This is another guide I've copied from the old forums. Some of it is still good advice although some is now out of date. Some links to images and other documents or forum posts may be broken or incomplete. The Ultimate Guide to Forgotten Attacks v0.5 Hi everybody, this guide is written for players who already know new economy. If you already played on the Beta server or not does not matter. If you don't know new economy, there are guides covering all basics here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H0wO...qSlUA/edit and http://forum.alliances.commandandconquer...?tid=30694 The Guide will be completed step by step. Content: 1. What is new? 2. Forgotten Attacks 2.1 Forgotten Attack Levels 2.2 Attack Waves 2.3 Frequency 2.4 Units 3. Defenses against Forgotten Attacks 3.1 GDI 3.2 NOD 4. Account management 4.1 Main Base Selection 4.2 Second Offenses 4.3 Cash/Ress Bases 5. Game phases 5.1 First days 5.2 Early game 5.3 Mid game 5.4 Late game 5.5 End game 6. Conclusion 1. What is new? - Forgotten Attack - Forgotten Boost is disabled - RP Farming is fixed (...) 2. Forgotten Attacks Every base gets attacked. You MUST build defenses on every base. Every forgotten base has a certain setup of units. Its comparable to your own bases. One base does not have 3 mammoths in the first attack and 5 in another attack. The attack layout can vary during the attack waves. The timespan between two attacks is long enough to fully repair when your DF is not damaged. That does not count for PVP. It is possible that you get attacked while you attack another player. 2.1: Attack Levels: The attack levels are based on the bases that attack. A level 30 forgotten base has level 29-31 units. 2.2: Attack Waves: At a certain number of forgotten bases in your attack range the forgotten start to attack in waves. That means once an attack is finished they start the next one. You have no chance to repair your units. < 25 bases: 1 wave 26-35 bases: 2 waves 36-45 bases: 3 waves 46-50 bases: 4 waves (that value was changed on the last update in june) > 51 bases: 5 waves the border between 4 and 5 waves is not 100% secure. There were no 5 waves seen at bases with 50 bases in range, but many 5 waves with 51 bases in range. Though we saw quite some 4 wave attacks from 52 and even 53 bases in range. 2.3 Attack frequency: The attack frequency depends on many factors. - A random factor is always included. - At least one attack every 16 hours (if not the game is bugged. Happened often for a long time on the Beta) - Number of forgotten bases around you: In a 5-wave zone you get more often attacks from forgotten than in a 3-wave zone. In a 5-wave zone you get ~5-10 attacks per day à 5 waves (so a total of 25-50 waves per day). In a 3-wave zone you get 2-5 attacks per day à 3 waves (6-15 waves per day). - Campers are punished: Sounds like from another game, but if you stay on one spot in a 4-wave zone the frequency of attacks drops. In our observations it did not happen before 24 hours. So keep in move. 2.4 Units The forgotten offenses get more and more unit types with rising levels. Just like in defenses. We did not keep track in the beginning so here the few that we tracked: lvl 24: Mammoth lvl 26: Commando lvl 28: Thumper (Juggernaut pendant) lvl 30: Dreadnough (Kodiak pendant) after that there are no new units and also no upgraded units (assuming the fortress itself does not attack - the guardian bases have no upgraded units) before the mammoth tank there were new unit types every two levels. 2.5 Ressource Payout Your major crystal income source are the forgotten attacks. If you want to keep up with your offense and defense levels you must stand in a 4-wave zone with your main base and endure the attacks. The rewards depend on the units used in the attacks and can vary by ~ 50%. To show the importance: Level 48 attacks give up to 200M crystal per wave. Assuming you stand in a 5 wave zone, 8 attacks per day and an average of 140M crystal per wave, than you have a crystal income of 233M/hr! The crystal income is usually higher now than the tib income of your own bases. (...) 3. Defenses against Forgotten Attacks Without forgotten attacks good defense layouts were a kind of goodie, but would not make you discard a good tib-layout. That changed with the forgotten attacks. You need at least a medium - good defense layout. A really good defense layout to a medium one is worth more than a secound 5-touch tib in your main base (in case you intend to switch main bases). PVE defenses vary much from PVP defenses as the AI is not very clever. It attacks in certain schemas and focusses attacks on key buildings. Usually the first two attack lines are weaker than the last two. Heavy structure busters mostly appear on the last line. Knowing this you can build very effective PVE defenses. Pure crystal defenses are much weaker against forgotten. You can do this, but expect that you need your defense about 2 levels higher than a tib/crystal defense. In general you want a frontline where you can concentrate your defense fire on. This would be an ideal front row. The first 3 attack lines usually die at the walls, the fourth one has 2.5 range structure buster and kills your walls + towers. They die by the units behind the wall/tower line. As a rule of thumb you can rate your defense like this: 4 waves: Your defense can hold attacks 6 level higher than your defense 3 waves: Your defense can hold attacks 7-8 level higher than your defense 2 waves: Your defense can hold attacks 9-10 level higher than your defense 1 wave: Your defense can hold attacks 10-11 level higher than your defense You have some time to get the researches done for those defenses as not all unit types attack from the beginning on. But now defense upgrades have the same priority as offense upgrades. Once you managed to set up a wall/tower defense your defense gets much stronger. One disadvantage at those defenses are the tib costs. Usually it does not pay off to build a pure crystal defense as DHQ and DF have high tib costs itself. But it might be an option for PVP players, as crystal defenses still work very well in PVP. A more extreme PVE setup that is highly dependent from the defense layout and also the base layout itself (forgotten attack focus on certain base buildings) This defense can hold 7-8 levels above its defense level. With a defense level of 40,5 attacks from level 48 bases can be safely held. 3.1 GDI GDI defenses have a disadvantage until you can research the Zone Trooper upgrade. This upgrade is a game changer. The disadvantages are the weak anti vehicle tower, as well as the 1.5 range anti air infantry. In the beginning you need a whole level more in defense as a GDI player to keep up with NOD players. (note for developers: That would be a point to improve balance!) Once you got the Zone Trooper upgrade you can start to switch to a crystal defense with some anti air towers. From that point on you have a big advantage to NOD as you can build good defenses with less tib. 3.2 NOD NOD defenses have an advantage at the beginning until GDI players get their Zone Trooper upgrade. Build defenses like in the two graphics above. Key is to concentrate fire to kill the first three attack lines without losing much defense. 4. Account management As already advised for new eco: Change your main base unless you get a 5-touch Tib or better as your start base (which hardly ever happens) 4.1 Main Base Selection With the Forgotten Attacks the priorities for new Main Base change again. On new economy you looked for a great tib layout and a decent power layout. On the forgotten attack worlds this is changing. Its the easiest to explain in numbers with a quality matrix: 1. Power Layout: weighed 35% You need a lot of Power. Its not as crucial as in old eco, but the Forgotten Attacks give you an incredible amount of crystal if you know how to place your main base. You want to use this crystal to get a strong offense and defense which brings you more of all the other ress types in the end too. 2. Tib production: weighed 30% Its nice and gives you a good boost in the beginning, but gets less important when you get more and more bases. But still Tib is a key ressource in the game. 3. Defense layout: weighed 35% At least get a layout with a good defense layout. A bad defense layout can cause in having you level the main defense 2-3 levels higher than a good defense with the same result against the forgotten attacks. DHQ and DF cost a lot, same as a 2 level higher defense, so the defense layout of your main can determine your long time success on a server. In the late game this focus changes for GDI, but as you play the most time of the server without a Zone Trooper upgrade I would still go for this weighing. To give you a better idea of what I mean I prepared an example: Lets take my main base on the Beta server: http://cncopt.com/7lfk and (yes the tower and the wall in the left back of the defense are really needed. For some mysterious reason they send up to 3 mammoth on the top left lane right into that wall.) I'll take a scala from 1-10 Power: 9/10 (2x8-touch power circle, 2x 7-touch power with 8 double used power plants) Tib: 9/10 (1x5 touch tib, 1x4 touch tib + 1x5 touch mixed and 1x4 touch mixed Defense: 5/10 a 3x2 (3 width, 2 height - rectangle) defense field on the front right position, but thats all. The Wall/Tower defense line is not a good one here. It works and it also holds okay, but even with a 43 defense I get building damage from forgotten from time to time against level 48 offenses. So this base would be 76% perfect Its better to take a little worse layout tib-wise and therefore getting a much better defense layout. Even though defense layout is weighed higher than tib layout I would not take less than a 2x4 touch tib for your main base. 4.2 Second Offenses Without forgotten boost and by that without morale stuff second offenses start to make real sense for PVE players again. You don't need a full scaled army for your second offense. A few high level ones that take down a base once the DF is dead to save RT on your main base are already worth the efford. Push a defense in that base first. Get it high enough that it survives in a 4 wave zone and build a strong power production in there. You will get a lot of crystal in that base with which you can level a new defense. Know that the defense only repays in crystal. There is no way to get back tib from a second offense. The layout for a second offense base should be like the one for a main base. 4.3 Cash/Ress Bases Thats about the same as in new eco. A little bonus would be a layout that is compact. If you don't need to cover a few lanes on one side with your defense it is easier to defend forgotten attacks. Defenses are more important than on new eco, so a few mixed mixed 4-touch silos or a mixed 5-touch are no bad choice. A good alliance usually keeps a certain defense level in all their bases anyways which requires some crystal production, so for those players nothing changes. We tried to keep at least a 3:1 ratio, better a 2,5:1 ratio in tib:crystal production. (125M tib and 50M crystal) Otherwise you cannot keep your cash bases close and have to pay big amounts of cash for transferring ressources. But still Tib is the key, so just a mixed 5-touch and no other 4- or 5-touch tibs are worth hardly anything. (...) 5. Game phases 5.1 First days You get no real forgotten attacks until the bubbles (newbie protection) drop or you move too deep into the forgotten. I can't tell how much is "too deep". That feature was introduced after our first weeks to prevent players from placing bubble-bases next to POIs to hold them without being attacked. (maybe it was just announced but never introduced) Lets assume you find no way to pop your bubble before the regular time. The bubble time is pretty much the same as in new economy. You try to level up your account as fast as possible and try to get the ressource POIs early and quickly. The rush for base 2 is as important as it was in new eco: High priority, but don't sell your production to get it a few hours earlier. Things then change 2 days before the bubble is done. At this time you level your offense no longer. You start leveling your defense. Goal is to have a defense two levels higher than your offense. Once the bubbles are down you move your main base carefully deeper into the forgotten until your defense just holds the attacks without building damage. Once you can hold 4 waves the First Days episode is finished 5.2 Early game Things that stay the same: - Rush for POIs - Rush for highest productions - Rush for a good territory and proper digg lines New: - Rush for defense levels Old and not needed: - Rush for offense levels If you want to grow quickest possible you focus on getting your defense up as quickly as possible. Each offense level higher that you can hold gives you 25% more crystal income. If a level 15 base gives you 10k crystal per wave, then a level 16 base gives you 12.5k per wave and so on. Higher defense level means higher crystal income. The crystal income will be so high, that you can do the offense upgrades on the fly. Focus is on rushing the defense levels. It is a good sign if your defense is 2 and more levels higher than your offense. It repays. Keep an eye on your mid and long time performance and don't rush offense levels with the hope to get a POI earlier. At least not too often. Economy: Focus on tib production and build power. A lot of power. No priority at all has your crystal production at this stage in your main base. In cash bases a crystal production is senseful to rise the defense levels there too. You want your cash bases close by to save cash. And besides that forgotten attack your cash bases too. Depending on where it survives you can get a nice extra crystal income which you can use to push your main some more. Research: The forgotten start sending certain units at certain levels (see above at the forgotten unit list) You need to research according defense units. When the forgotten attack you with snipers you need to counter those units. Forgotten get: Snipers You research: Snipers Forgotten get: Mammoth You research: Beam Cannon / Zone Trooper Forgotten get: Duster (Firehawk pendant) You research: Militant Rocket Squad / Pitbull Everybody needs to be at the frontline. Group players by their defense levels. It sucks for players to stay in 2 or 3 wave zones. 5.3 Mid game Things calm down. You find a balance between offense and defense. The success of your own account is determined by your tib production and your defense level. With tib you can build power and with the crystal income from your defense you can build offense units. Main focus here is to get the highest possible POIs while keeping all players in 4-wave zones with their main bases. 5.4 Late game Rush for the center is part of this phase. Make sure you have the highest POI bonus. Today (10.07.) we got the first attacks from a Guardian Base (level 50) By this you should level your defenses first before moving close to a guardian base. Alternatively you can shoot the area down to 3 waves. 6. Conclusion The forgotten attacks are a great new feature making the game interesting for all those who know old- and new economy well enough. A major change to the game play is that wars are much more difficult now. Everyone has strong defenses now and much weaker offenses. War against weaker alliances are still easy, same as wars against alliances not standing in defense clusters. --- More parts of this guide will follow in the next days. Feedback and criticism is most welcome. If you want me to write more on certain parts let me know. ToDo list: - missing points in content list - how to coordinate PVE players. - math examples for crystal eco - research order Ingame Nicks: Bruellhusten123Credits required to transfer resources to Nth base next to it
I'm about to get my 2nd base up and running soon on my account, how much credits do I need to transfer all their resources to my 1st base who is nearby? I plan to level my base after I have relocated to a different sector. With that in mind, what about the 3rd base and beyond if I intend to do the same thing on other bases.Unit statistics
I was curious today while playing this game in Firestorm 16. I wanted to compare GDI and Nod stat wise and see who's better... I got the idea after looking at the top alliances and was shocked at the ranking. This is what I found out: Militants are better than its counterpart, stat wise. Riflemen are slightly more cheaper, however. The same thing can be said for the GDI Commando, but the Nod one has more anti-infantry damage... GDI Missile Squad, Zone Troopers and Snipers win by a landslide against their Nod counterparts. They're better stat wise per AP and are cheaper to train. Nod missile squads are weak as it takes 3 of them to keep up with 2 of the other (GDI Missile Squad, Pit-bull or Attack Bikes) early game anti-structure units. Guardians and Predators win against their Nod counterparts, with Guardians being a landslide type of win. Predators run into a tie with Scorpions when it comes to their stats. Scorpions are also a little more pricey and frail compared to its GDI counterpart. I also found out that Nod wins on the remaining categories except the Orca/Venom part... I will post part 2 soon as a reply to this topic.OpaSmash's StartGuide
I've taken the liberty of copying the post from the old forum. It's not feasible to copy the discussion that followed as it is 4 pages long. Things have moved on since this was originally published with the introduction of Firestorm, Tiberium and Wrath Servers as well as the Veteran and World Championship series. Finally the addition of morale to the forgotten attack worlds now created changes things a little again. The new worlds are essentially a mix of 'NewEconomy' and Forgotten Attack worlds. If anyone would like to update the guide or produce their own then I'm sure the community would welcome the effort. The nVidia Way 2.0 - OpaSmash's Startguide - New Eco / Forgotten Attacks Guideinformationen: Title: The nVidia Way 2.0 - OpaSmash's Startguide Version: 2.0 For which Worlds: New Eco Guide incl. Forgotten Attack Author and Copyright by OpaSmash Translation by xXRippiXx (big Thanks!) ToDo: - Spellcheck =) - add more Tipps - Allianceguide in work ToDo for Reader: - feel free to send me a message with spellchecking or other mistakes Preamble nVidia was often asked about their gametactic's and about the startguide for the first days. This guide and the explanations require some know how of the game and so they are surely not easy to play out for beginners. Some things are perhaps not easy to understand by reading it the first time, so i would propose to read this guide more than once and perhaps, try it step by step in an other world, before executing it on a real world. The are several gaming strategies included – some more risky and others a bit saver. Which one you choose is your decision. If you are not sure, take the slower, but saver way. The hole guide works without multiaccounts, playerfarming etc. Perhaps it is possible, that you are not able to play out this guide – this is just the way how nVidia started their worlds. I can only give very limited support for this guide, because some mistakes in this strategy are often very deeply hidden in the startup build of a player, so it would take to much time for me to help everyone. This game strategy was played successful by much more than 100 nVidia players. Even inexperienced players could handle it, with daily support, and were able to reach the top 10 with this guide. But, as already mentioned before, I will not give single support, so i would propose to take this guide just as some kind of orienation or see it as a guide for „advanced-players“. In case of doubt, trust your own mind, so nothing will go wrong Index 0. Preamble and Index 1. General Information 1.1 OldEco vs NewEco – Server 1.2 Layout Selection 1.2.1 OldEco Main 1.2.2 NewEco Main 1.2.3 OldEco Creditbase 1.2.4 NewEco Supportbase 1.3 Production 1.3.1 Mainbase Production 1.3.2 Supportbase Production 2. The first 7 days 2.1 What is possible, what's the target 2.2 Day 1 – The hare and the hedgehog 2.3 Day 2 – Let's go 2.4 Day 3 and 4 – Base Nr. 2 2.5 Day 5-7 3. The moving 3.1. Reason 3.2 How to move? 4. Raidingtipps for the first Week 5. Countless possibilities 1. General Information 1.1 OldEco vs. NewEco - Server Server up to World75 are working with the OldEcoSystem – all other World's after this are working with a NewEcoSystem. One of the main differences is, that Camps/Outpost/Bases give 75% less credits and up to 50% less ressources/researchpoints. In exchange the ressources of playerbases clearly increased. The mainbase is not only used as a pure energybase anymore. It also includes harvester and silos. The new founded bases are no credit only bases, they will have a ~50:50 credit : ressources production. Even if the start seems very slow, the growth of the player will be much more constant and even strong. On oldeco worlds the growing decelerated with every more level you got. The reason for this is, that the production buildings on neweco worlds are better in the highlevel areas. The differences can go in the millions. NewEco worlds already catch up with oldeco worlds in production and offlevel, although neweco worlds started one year later. In my opinion the NewEcoSystem are very successfull, just because buildings like harvester and silos make more sense and have because there are much more possibilitys in baseforming than just only energy and creditbases. A further advantage of the new-eco-System is, that there is no primary ressource like energy. All ressources have a high importance and energy can be produced in abundance. 1.2 Layout Selection An example of my mainbase form WCS. (neweco) http://cncopt.com/MYEi As contrast my Mainbase from world28 (oldeco) http://cncopt.com/WYEi Both mainbaseslayouts were chossen „manually“ and were not the startlayouts 1.2.1 OldEco Main With the oldecosystem (OES) every power plant needs at least one crystal and one accumulator connection. The lesser accu's were used, the better was the outcome – or in the other way , on one accu should be as much power plants as possible. The result can be found in the CnCopt above. The wish of every player was a cluster of 7 powerplants 1 accumulator or even 8 powerplants 1 accumulator. The accumulator were up to 10 level higher than the power plant for an optimal production. 1.2.2 NewEco Main With the newecosystem (nes) the connection to cristall's was nearly needless. Here it is solely important to have as many 8 powerplants 1 accumulator cluster as possible – so it doesn't care how many crystals are in the base. Crystals give only a little boost in the nes so they are unnecessary for the power production. Because of this, powerplants should only be leveled up 12 or 15. After that the accumulator can be about 30(!) level higher above the powerplants. The more empty the base, the better you can build it. In my CnCopt example you can see 3 connected clusters, which can be raised to 4 if necessary. Another point is the resources connection to silos and harvester. Here is the target, to get the maximum number of harvester at a silos. In the example above is a layout with 2x5th and 3x4th connections – additional to the great energy connection. Even better would be 6th connection. For example my mainbase layout of world 32 http://cncopt.com/30Ei. Both are very good layouts – if I had to choose, i would take the wcs – because there the resource output is much higher and the 3x8th connections give enough energy for the hole gametime. 1.2.3 OldEco Creditbase At the OldEco you choosed a base according to the creditproduction – so for example http://cncopt.com/K1Ei. The ambition was to get as much credits as possible, to get the next credit base and so on. 1.2.4 NewEco Supportbase The supportbases at the NewEco had the sense, to support the mainbase. They supply themselves with credits, the mainbase with crystal and the player with credits. Based on the small raidearnings, the produced crystal was transfered primary in the mainbase to get the off stronger. With adding the forgotton attacks, the crystal is more and more needed in the supportbases themselves, so you have to evaluate, weather you want to get the off stronger or you get more deff in the supportbases, so that it will not destroyed by the forgotton. But even with this easy „formula“ there are significant differences. So if you choose layouts with a high tiberium production, the credits and crystals will be less – or if you choose a to high crystal and credit production, the upgrowth of the base will be in danger. Example: Pro: faster upgrowth of the base Contra: lesser crystal for off and deff http://cncopt.com/81Ei 60% Tiberium, 12% Crystal , 12% Credits, 16% Energy Or a layout with equal tiberium/crystal: http://cncopt.com/c2Ei 50% Tiberium, 25% Crystal, 15% Credits, 10% Energy Pro: higher Off growing Contra: lesser Base growing You have to look while choosing a layout, weather you want to have a layout which helps you now, with a higher crystal production- or if you choose a layout, which i have to build up days/month. The advantage in the second case is that you have the same crystal production later, but a 2-4 times higher tiberium production. So you have the possibility to grow fast then the others. We had players who tried both. The ones with the higher crystal production were the main POI hunters at first, and the Tiberium-Players were not usefull for a long time. Later (we talk about weeks later) the tiberium-players could catch up and were more useful – up to the point when they left the crystal players behind. Both tactics have advantages and disadvantages. My choosing depends on the game situation. So if it is necessary to get crystal or weather i have time to grow. Layouts which can switch the focus of the production from crystal to tiberium for example in a war, would be a good solution for this problem. But these kind of layouts are very rare, so they are hard to get. If you have a very high tiberium production, you will need 2 x 7/8 accu cluster. If you choose a balanced production and move the crystal to your main from the support bases, 1 x8 cluster will be enough. Depending on how risky you play and how far you are in the forgotten attacks, you have to adapt your production and if necessary provide some energy for the defense. But more than 2 accu cluster of 8 won't be needed. 1.3 Production 1.3.1 Mainbase Production The mainbase should be primary focused on energy. Here you have to foresight, to have not to little energy, but never to much, too. The optimum would be, having 0:0:0:0 everytime when you log out, and to spread your resources as efficent as possible. Missing energy? Level your accus. To much energy? Level your harvester and so on. 3 accucluster of 8 should be enough for the hole gametime. Keep your accus high and if needed save the resources a night, to buy an accu upgrade. 1.3.2 Supportbase Production As rule of thumb, we often took the tiberium crystal rate 2 to 1 minimum and 4 to 1 maximum. Everything between is your own decision. The creditbuildings should be circa 25 to 50% of the base. In my example they were less, because I rebuilded my bases in no further supportbase research. On normal worlds you will need more credits. The more credits you have the faster you get new bases and the faster your off will grow and so you will do, too. 2. The first 7 days 2.1 What is possible, what's the target The fastest thing which I have seen on the nes were vertigos after ~26 h and the second base after ~60h. But this is not the measure of quality. Having vertigos after 36h and the second base in the first 72-96h will be the aim. With this you are still in the front and you will not disclaim to much on a good production and a healthy account. 2.2 Day 1 – The hare and the hedgehog For the first 24h there are 2 variants of playing. The hare and the hedgehog style. The hare will sprint as fast as possible after the start of a world, shoot camps, complete the quests and play at the CP-Limit. The hedgehog in contrast waits. He waits the first 12-24h that everybody else grows up and the camps grow to. He will not be inactive, he will complete his quests in the same way and builds up his base, but he will never spent CP's. Not till the first high camps will exist. Then the hedgehog will start building his off and will directly start with the highlevel camps of the other players. Both variants will work, but the second will be interesting for players, which do not have the time to play all the day. Nevertheless I personaly prefer the hare style, but this is purely a matter of taste. Generally you should do all normal quests at start , build up your base and farm. If your CP's are on 0, you will take down the repair buildings and build resource buildings instead. The lost of tiberium will be equalized after a few minutes, and up to level 8/9 the buildingcosts are very low. Right from the start, you should have a look, weather there is a forgottenbase next to you, which you can farm. The point is, to do as much damage as possible in such a base, but never destroy it. After one attack, you let the base repair and than attack again. For nod bases with much infantry against air and buildings would be great. GDI have a bigger variety, because with paladins you can kill scooper, bowler and scrap busses easy. So a level 7 to 9 camp give ca. 3-5k RP, and a farmattack on a forgottenbase gives around 30k FP. Watch here < > The attack for it looks like: < > That's just the start and just a average farmbase. GDI could get easily up to 40k fp at the start and while farming for the second base, we could find bases up to 70k++ RP with each attack. The important point is, to be as close as possible at the farmbase, to spend maximum 16CP with each attack. So vertigos in more or less a day will be no problem. The basefarming can be started with an offlevel of 8-9. To minimalize the waste of reptime, I propose to sell units up to level 7/8 after each attack and reibuild them. The miss of resources is nearly not exist, and the safed reptime is enormous. At this poinst you should produce ca. 10-15k credits and otherwise normal resources, so that you have 0:0:0:0 befor you quit at the end of the day. So play foresighted- you know what you want to build in the next 6h and therefore you know which amount of resources you need. Take a calculator and turn on your brain. 2.3 Day 2 – Let's go After you have vertigos you could hunt VP/Bases or you go directly to the second rp farm. The first alternativ is the teamplayer style, because you can capture more POI's and room for your alliance. A combination of both would be the best way. The offlevel is ca level 10-11. The new off of NOD looks like this: http://cncopt.com/h7Ei For GDI I propose 4 hawks and a good mix of infantry, vehicles and paladins. In the night you should furthermore change your repairbuildings with resourcebuildings, especially reffinerys. Your timer should show not more than 48h left for the second base at the end of day two. Farm your RP's that way, that you have matched with the credits a new base at the end of day 3 and that you have not to much of both kind. Meanwhile your base looks more like a refinery city than a production city. That means, your credit production should be 30k. The risky way would be to have a credit production of ca 40-50k and only a energy production of 10-20k. Risky in the way that you have no own resource production and so you have to farm very efficient. In return, you get the 3rd base faster. 2.4 Day 3 and 4 – Base Nr. 2 Hopefully you have already searched your layout. Your second base will be a supportbase. Here you can choose between to types again. The risky way is, to move the crystal of the supportbase to the mainbase, to improve your off clearly. The disadvantage is, that you loose the start defense in the supportbase. That could be dangerous on ForgottenAttacks Worlds. If you choose to take the crystal for the off , you should have 300k energy in the mainbase, before building the second base. In addition the trick is, to overlevel the comand center. That means, you move every tiberium in the mainbase, sell all buildings and than level the comand center up to level 16-17. Now build the army you wish and sell the comand center again. After that move your tiberium back and build up both bases normally. With this trick, you have much more units than normally and so not only your offlevel will raise enormous , you will also have a mass of units to choose. That helps you to kill forgotten bases much easier. So you have more than 80-90 unit slots available. A overview, which off I builded and how my second base looks like you can see here: MainBase http://cncopt.com/W8Ei Support Base http://cncopt.com/S8Ei The costs for leveling the command center are: 13 to 14 - 334 and 83k 14 to 15 - 441k and 110k 15 to 16 - 582k and 145k 16 to 17 - 769k and 192k 17 to 18 - 1015k and 253k 18 to 19 - 1,3m and 335k With this mass of infantry units a nod player can weaken the base hard in the first wave, before the other army attacks. As GDI I would propose to research predators and the proceed in a similar way. As you can see in the baselayouts, I have both bases rebuilt as a resource base and produce in the normal way. Consider, that you do not sell any unit, because you cannot buy them again, if your command center is only level ~13 again. 2.5 Day 5-7 As a NOD player the only thing you have to do is farm, farm, conquer pois, farm, level and so on. Your next target should be scorpions. If you have researched them, the Command center overleveling starts again and you can level your comand center up to 20-22. Now you can add 3-4 scorpions at your off. The same overleveling strategy works by the way with deff units to, so on forgotton attack worlds, you have the possibility, to get additional deff units. After 7 days the newbieshield falls, so you have to be prepared with a good defense. Now you made the foundation for nearly every base and your next target will be the third base combined with the removel. The third base is available after 10-15 days easily. 3. The moving 3.1. Reason Only 1 of 100000 startlayouts are good enough for efficent gaming, so you have to remove your off with the third base. For that you are looking for a layout with minimum 3x8 accumulator/powerplant cluster or better with the option of a 4th one. In addition you should have a layout with good resource connections so that you can get at least one silos with 5 connections. Example: http://cncopt.com/MYEi Here I could make 2x5 Silo connection, as well as 3x4 Silo connection and in addition 3x8 accu connections. This base alone did 30% of my production (with 7 bases). A good layout is the most important thing! The production of a good layout, pushes your account very enormous an is therefor in my opinion essential. Consider, that with this layout and this single offbase you have to play until the end of the server. In my opinion the only possibility for a good off is a good resource production. Energy is much easier to get as on Old Eco worlds, so it is no problem anymore. That means, you will only have one offbase and every other base will be a supportbase. 3.2 How to move? As soon as you have your 3 base, you will push it for a week and primary expand the energy production. In this time a nodler researches cobras. For that you should need ca 2-4 days. I have pushed the energy of my main to ca. 250k/h and when I have enough energy for my remove,I changed my mainbase. „How much energy will be needed?“ If you move over your old units in your mainbase, you can add the costs of energie and crystal, which you need for your new main. I propose not to remove before you have enough resource, to switch the hole mainbase. Until than you research the cobras and push your reptime store to ~6 days maximum. After that you can start killing bases with a new army with cobras and 6 days reptime. The tactic with overleveling the comand center can be repeated. Some players leave the comand center after the leveling and do not remove it. It a possibility, too. After the cobras I prefer to research cobrasshields. 4. Raidingtipps for the first Week These tipps are of the old guide, which was for Old Eco worlds. (http://forum.alliances.commandandconquer...id=21504). Raidingtipps and frequent mistakes: - not every camp or outpost ist the same – some lvl 13 outpost give for example 250k resources at all and some others only 180k. Sometimes you get much research points and sometimes nearly nothing. So don't take every camp/outpost which is next to you. exactly there we come to the next point - you have time!! It can happen, that you dont have any onehit outpost/camps in range, but 50 Cps left. Than just wait!! Don't start wasteting CP's just to get some ranks better. That helps nothing. Just relax on the couch and wait a hour. In most castes the outpost situation looks completely different after that and you can do 5 outposts onehit again. - Outposts in two runs: Thats a hard topic. If it is a outpost, wich is really woth to do 2 runs, than you can do it. But avoide destroying the defense facility. If you do 2 runs through an empty outpost, you will get no research points and these are the essential points in the first 24-48h! Just let the defence facility alive, so you can take research points again. - Research Points: In Bases are more Units than in outposts. In outposts are more units than in camps. That means, if you need research points, kill more bases. That is very helpful especially at the starts for vertigo/hawks. - Sneaky! Sneaky! As soon as you have 4 Hawks or Vertigos, you have simply pull the units away, to get the bomber through the base. The targets are not the enemies units, but the construction yard! - Bob the builder: It is profitable, to sell some parts of the army for an outpost, if you can do it onehit. In the first 48h i rebuild my army 10 times for sure, so that I don't need to go in an outpost a second time. The won resources by saving cps balance this easily. - Outpost Hopping: Everything next to you is over farmed? There are not enough tunnels or outposts next to you? Jump forward! Right in the start time your baselevel is between 7 and 10 and so you have only 1h to 1h 20 min base transfer time. The package loosing is not very much at start. If you are raiding for example lvl 11 outposts, you can rank the waste in the dimension of a lvl 7 camp. So it is minimal. However a position change, can work like a wonder and gives you new possibilities. - don’t jump to the front to fast - At the start we will spawn at lvl 13 to 15 tunnelcamps. But we want to kill outposts as fast as possible... So what can we do? Just jump back to lvl 11 to 12 tunnel and activate them with a lvl 7 army. Now farm as much as you can. - Funds: If you use funds, than everytime for cp's or Tib. 5. Countless possibilities After the first 3 weeks of a world you have countless possibilities. Which units should be researched? Which deffunits do I need? When do I build the 4th base? How should my army look like? How should my deff look like? On this questions, there are many different opinions and non of them are the truly right or wrong answer. I prefer, to have a look at your teammate. Which setup to they prefer? How do they farm? And so on. „Learning by doing“ is the point to understand this game. I saw a many different tactics and a lot of them worked. Some of them have much of additional work, but they save much reptime. Other variants we lovely call the crowbar – because they kill 90% of the outpost with their standard lineup, but they need more reptime, so only the daily time is saved. Which tactic you choose, whats your game style? Thats something you have to find out. There is no one and only way, for that CnC:TA is to complicated. Just try it and some day it could work to play in a ranked one alliance or ranked 1 endgame or perhaps even ranked 1 world champion. Good luck! OpaSmashUndo button, GDI and Nod research order
The first part is actually a minor suggestion that allows a player to refund his research and credits from any unit he has researched. Its a 75% RP and 80% credit refund. It may be good in case of accidents where something has been researched when it was not required. Now unto the second one... What would your recommended GDI and Nod research orders be? As GDI after Pit-bull, do we get straight to fire-hawk or take a detour on the predator? As Nod, do we do the same thing with black hand and vertigo? One more question, of the 4 research-able anti-vehicle units early in the game, are some of them worthwhile compared to the others? I'm talking about the offensive Predator, Black Hand, Zone Trooper and Scorpion...
