I'm sure everyone will agree with the expression that there is more than one way to skin a cat, meaning there are many ways to go about things.1. Stop making free games, charge a small fee for this game $10-$20 USD as an example.2. When cheaters are caught, and they now have to make a new account to play, they are going to have to buy the game over again!3. As I mentioned, another way to this, everyone that uses an Origin account needs a valid credit card on file, if you are caught cheating, you are charged a cheating fine, like $50-$100 USD, as example.In the world of business and people's pocket books, the only way to make a difference is to hurt them where it counts and it makes people think twice about their actions, is with their FINANCES!When there are no financial repercussions for wrong doing, then problematic situations like this will continue!Lastly, EA, you might need to start going after these Developer Cheaters and take them into courts of law and sue them, and make examples out of them, so the world will sit up and pay attention, and future Developer Cheaters will consider now, if the risk is worth it!P.S. This game might be free, but it's starting to get to the point that it's not even worth playing for free, there are just to many cheaters, ruining the gaming experience!

If you're caught cheating what SHOULD happen is a 1-3 year imprisonment along with a $20,000 fine, for breaking the EULA. And I'm fine with Timmy cheating and causing his parents/guardians to get fined/jailed.As it stands, the current penalty for getting caught cheating isn't a deterrent. It's like how kids are raised today. Barely are even scolded when they do something wrong. Without punishment, they never associate their bad behavior as being something they shouldn't do.

@Koochi-QOkay..to harsh?! Then allow me to beat up cheaters! There never has been one that will agree to meet me though. Allow cheaters to be legally beat down. Like a purge.

@Aegis_Kleais Sound argument except for a couple of things. Almost no (indie) dev makes 90K a year. It’s way less than that depending on function, location and more variables.Second, most dev studios don’t publish or finance their own games. They get hired or are under contract by a publisher/company that acts as their money buffer. So devs don’t have to worry about getting paid. They only have to worry about fulfilling their job to the ‘contract drafters’ aka the company footing the bill.So the monetary comment, even tho it has an element of truth doesn’t weigh in as much as getting penalized by jailtime or monetary. And even if you had to pay, it wouldn’t go into the devs or company’s pocket for that matter. The damage would already be done.I look forward to your reply.

@GRiPSViGiL I've heard horror stories from some overseas Internet Cafes where the people caught a cheater in an online game that they were all playing, and, well, suffice it to say, it did not end well for the cheater.Society will tell us we're wrong for wanting that kind of justice. Society wants the law abiding to just absorb the loss. It's not designed to protect the innocent or punish those who deserve it. Kinda like an under-funded police station in a high-crime area. Hooray for playing by the book, right?But the "purge" comment. I kinda chuckled at that. Lemme know if you run for office. You got my vote, lol.

@Aegis_Kleais If you're caught cheating what SHOULD happen is a 1-3 year imprisonment along with a $20,000 fine...That is never going to happen to the cheater, I did say that the punishment should be aimed at the developers.Granted, there was a time, when people were taken to court and fined for downloading MP3s and Movies, I'm not sure we're ever going to see this happen to cheaters.The simplest solution for EA is to charge a fee for the game, then you need a Credit Card on file, you get caught, you are banned, then you have to create a new account and buy the game over, also if you were caught cheating, there could be a small Cheating Fee, like $25-$50 USD as an example, charged to the Credit Card...

EA - Stop Making Free Games To Deter Cheating!

25 Replies

GRiPSViGiL
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
@xpl0its Lawsuit worked for Blizzard against MMOGlider!

I think there would be less cheating if the game was paid for for sure. It wouldn't be cheat free but lessened. The problem is no recoil macro's are not gonna be detected because they have a macro that hides the macro.

In any case I agree.
zeues1992
Rising Veteran
6 years ago
@xpl0its Totally agree when their is money on stake cheaters will back away. But currently apex legends player base is not that stable. So would be a bad idea to implement now. XD
Aegis_Kleais
Rising Hotshot
6 years ago
If you're caught cheating what SHOULD happen is a 1-3 year imprisonment along with a $20,000 fine, for breaking the EULA. And I'm fine with Timmy cheating and causing his parents/guardians to get fined/jailed.
As it stands, the current penalty for getting caught cheating isn't a deterrent. It's like how kids are raised today. Barely are even scolded when they do something wrong. Without punishment, they never associate their bad behavior as being something they shouldn't do.
zeues1992
Rising Veteran
6 years ago
@Aegis_Kleais I have no idea about EULA rules, but that's harsh. I'm even more scared of even thinking about cheating.
Koochi-Q
6 years ago
@Aegis_Kleais I understand what you’re saying but same can be said as to a severe of punishment. Break a rule 1-3 years in prison or $20K? You get the same punishment for beating someone up...

A good punishment should be just and strict, but it should be customized. For someone not invested in Apex at all an IP punishment for a set period will be nothing, but for an individual who spends hours upon hours of playing it will make them think twice. Catch my drift?

TOKYO DRIFT! Ha haha ha!!! Need for Speed!!!
Aegis_Kleais
Rising Hotshot
6 years ago
Think about it from the developers standpoint.
Let's say you have a team of 40 devs. They average $90K/year. That means, just to pay your devs, you need to make 3.6M/year. Now think about the negative PR and the lost playerbase that accrues from people hacking this game you worked on for years. Start watching your revenue drop and threaten the actual livlihood of your employees.
You have to be able to associate negative behavior with punishment; not just for the fact that it helps to change behavior, but because you're actually taking away monetary value from players and livlihood from the developer. Most people see things just from the cheater's perspective. In fact, that's how the public will see things; and that's why publishers don't go after cheaters; they'd just end up with negative PR. So, as always, nothing happens, the problem persists, and innocent people just have to tolerate the cheating until they finally lose full value of their investment and quit the game.
Koochi-Q
6 years ago
@Aegis_Kleais Sound argument except for a couple of things. Almost no (indie) dev makes 90K a year. It’s way less than that depending on function, location and more variables.

Second, most dev studios don’t publish or finance their own games. They get hired or are under contract by a publisher/company that acts as their money buffer. So devs don’t have to worry about getting paid. They only have to worry about fulfilling their job to the ‘contract drafters’ aka the company footing the bill.

So the monetary comment, even tho it has an element of truth doesn’t weigh in as much as getting penalized by jailtime or monetary. And even if you had to pay, it wouldn’t go into the devs or company’s pocket for that matter. The damage would already be done.

I look forward to your reply.
GRiPSViGiL
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
@Koochi-QOkay..to harsh?! Then allow me to beat up cheaters! There never has been one that will agree to meet me though.
Allow cheaters to be legally beat down. Like a purge.
Aegis_Kleais
Rising Hotshot
6 years ago
@Koochi-Q As we've seen with tons of publishers, once a game isn't viable, or a rampant cheating situation causes people to flock away, they start laying off developers as if it were in fashion. Developers ABSOLUTELY have to worry about these things; the Publisher is not now nor ever going to bankroll operations on something that isn't pulling in profits.

The fines and jailtime are restitution for damages done. Nothing can prevent something that's already occurred from happening. They are a deterrent that should be publicized. When children have no connotation of punishment associated with bad behavior, they continue that behavior, because it rewards them at the cost of something they are oblivious to; other people's enjoyment and monetary investment.

So, Respawn had(?) 319 people as of 2019. A Google search of average salary shows $88-$120k. Yes, not all those are developers. But assuming even $70k as a average across all roles, that's 22.3M/year. If the game was sold at $60, that would mean 370,000 units need to be sold just to pay salaries. The game currently has ~9M players, all of which get the game for Free, and only some of which pay into the game.

Any lost business is lost potential of cash. Those 9M players would have to spend just $3/year to justify just Respawn based Salaries (let alone Studio expenses) But you'd be jaw dropped to see how many of those players have not spent $1 and won't. It's more precarious than you make it out to be. Especially when the dev lets it get out of hand and can't stem an influx of cheaters.
Aegis_Kleais
Rising Hotshot
6 years ago
@GRiPSViGiL I've heard horror stories from some overseas Internet Cafes where the people caught a cheater in an online game that they were all playing, and, well, suffice it to say, it did not end well for the cheater.

Society will tell us we're wrong for wanting that kind of justice. Society wants the law abiding to just absorb the loss. It's not designed to protect the innocent or punish those who deserve it. Kinda like an under-funded police station in a high-crime area. Hooray for playing by the book, right?

But the "purge" comment. I kinda chuckled at that. Lemme know if you run for office. You got my vote, lol.