Re: Apex Legends Stuttering after latest update

After some testing, I can tell that frametimes are also worse (jagged) with LLM=On, but stuttering is less noticeable than with LLM=Ultra.

Yes, I do play with LLM=Ultra, but with LLM=On it's the same for me. Also I did not have these issues before the patch.

Thank you for the updates!

Can you try something for me when you've got the chance? I'm curious what happens if you start up your PC in a Clean Boot before you launch Apex Legends. For more details on how to set one up visit the EA Help site. 

Let me know if you're still running into the same FPS issues afterward. Thanks again!

/Kent

Unfortunately running Clean Boot did not help.

But it looks like the issue is with Nvidia drivers and LLM. When I restricted number of frames in RTSS to 138 it all went back to normal and smooth.

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@PsyhiX69when you use RTSS you get always stable frametimes, but it costs input latency... Apex before the update was 100% working but now is broken ! I don't know if nvidia needs to work toghether respawn to find a solution or respawn should fix by itself..

Hey all,

Thank you for the updates!

Would it be possible to try rolling back to a previous NVIDIA driver to test and see if that makes any difference at all with your frame rates? I'm curious if the same issue would still happen on older drivers. 

/Kent

Currently using 452.22 drivers. Unstable, spiking frametimes are still present, stuttering is not as blatant as on R455 drivers however.

Thanks for the updates!

If anyone else can try rolling back to driver 452.06 to see if it helps with a more stable frame rate I'd really appreciate it. Let me know how it goes when you can. 

Edit: Also, if you have a chance can you try disabling low-latency mode to see if that has any effect? If you have the NVIDIA FPS counter running as well please also try disabling that. 

/Kent

This is what happens when I try to install 452.06 @EA_Kent 

EDIT: Playing around with Low Latency mode did nothing for me either.

The ONLY thing that made a difference was setting the framelimit to 160 in RTSS + setting Vsync to ADAPTIVE

Disabling Latency Mode has little to no effect on FPS in Apex. Frametimes are even worse after updating to the latest 35MB patch.

Hi @EA_Kent,

I revert the driver 456.71 to 452.06 and "ultra low latency" works again without a problem. No stuttering. I also checked earlier drivers from 456.xx branch and low latency seems to be broken on all 456.xx drivers.

One more thing. It looks like yesterday's small Apex patch enables Nvidia Reflex by default when combined with the newest Nvidia driver 456.71. Unfortunatelly, this behaves exactly how Apex works right now with the ultra low latency (stuttering!), however it is not possible to turn it off now. Even if I set low latency to "on" or even "off" in Nvidia Control Panel, this won't disable ultra low latency feature (FPS cap below monitor's refresh rate and heavy stuttering is still present). The only way to disable it is to turn off the G-Sync. Also, this option: "+gfx_nvnUseLowLatency 0" used in Advanced Launch Options for Apex does not disable it. For more info, take a look here: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/nvidia-reflex-apex-legends-out-now/

Hope it helps somehow to resolve that issue.

Cheers,

7empe

@7empePL I appreciate the info! 

/Kent

Just read this thread, and just posting because it currently looks a bit like an nVidia driver issue or to be nVidia related.

But I've got an RX 5700 and have the same or similar issue. It is hard to pinpoint but it just doesn't run smooth, even the lobby animation are somtimes "jumping".

I'm using a Freesync and  the AMD driver framerate limiter - settinges unchanged since season 5.

I original went to search for this because of  " Texture-Streaming-Budget-keeps-setting-to-low-2-3GB " 

Which is much easier to spot because of the really low texture quality.

Whatever it is, I could not find a workaround yet.

In a Game where a few moments decide about win and loose of a 20+mins game this is frustrating.

Will try to use the "Adaptive Sync" setting recommended above and report back.

Things tried:

1. clean boot
2. driver update, now on "Adrenalin 2020 Edition 20.9.2"

@EA_KentI want share my personal feedback, after a lot of tests, I can finally say that I fix the stuttering came with newest apex update, using 452.06 driver "and" UltraLowLatency mode (ULTRA) on the Nvidia Control Panel, with this launch command (+fps_max 141) I can play with the best smoothest, stutter free, input lag free experience. Before the new season I was playing with the same settings and recent nvidia drivers.
So I think maybe there is something bad with new implementation of nvidia reflex, please report it.

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@7empePL wrote:
@ON1MUSH4Yeah, I have the same observations. It seems that Reflex has introduce heavy stutter. I also rolled back to 452.06 and I use Low Latency Mode set to "ultra". However, if you use "ultra", you should not use +fps_max 141, because ultra low letency mode has embedded 138 fps cap for 144 Hz monitors. Use "+fps_max unlimited" to avoid triggering two overlapping FPS limiters (in-game's and nvidia's).

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I can also confirm this, tried both 456.71 and 456.55 and I had stutters even though the FPS was great. After reverting the drivers to 452.06 the problem was fixed so I also suppose the problem is with Reflex implementation.

Are you sure that ultra low latency is capping the FPS? If that's the case I don't need to use the driver max framerate cap, gonna try it out.

@CroL0coNvidia's Ultra Low Latency mode does limit FPS to avoid G-Sync ceiling, which means overlaping with V-Sync frequency. For example, having 144 Hz monitor and G-Sync+V-Sync enabled, the ULL will cap FPS to 138. Higher the refresh rate - more significant the cap is (e.g. 189 FPS on 200 Hz). Not sure though, what happens if you disable G-Sync. I suppose that FPS cap will be disabled too, because there is no risk of constant switching between G-Sync and V-Sync.

And avoid using Nvidia's or in-game FPS limiters. Nvidia's has higher input lag than RTSS and in-game has no constant frame times. Use Riva Tuner Statistics Server (RTSS) fps limiter instead.

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@7empePL wrote:
@CroL0coNvidia's Ultra Low Latency mode does limit FPS to avoid G-Sync ceiling, which means overlaping with V-Sync frequency. For example, having 144 Hz monitor and G-Sync+V-Sync enabled, the ULL will cap FPS to 138. Higher the refresh rate - more significant the cap is (e.g. 189 FPS on 200 Hz). Not sure though, what happens if you disable G-Sync. I suppose that FPS cap will be disabled too, because there is no risk of constant switching between G-Sync and V-Sync.

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That explains why my FPS is capped to 162 (on a 170hz monitor) even though I set the driver limiter to 165. Thx for the info mate. 

So if I want to use g-sync and ultra low latency the setting would be:

1. Turn on g-sync
2. Turn on ultra low latency mode
3. Don't touch the FPS limiter in drivers, Riva Tuner or in game command
4. Turn on v-sync in drivers

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@CroL0coExactly! I would add "+fps_max unlimited" to the game's arguments. Otherwise game will lock FPS to your refresh rate by default, which is not necessary.

Thx mate 🙌