Re: Should I (or players like me) quit online multiplayer games?
@Axs5626Sxa5001 Ok. You didnt answer one question I'm very curious about- When you queue solo do you get easier lobbies and worse teammates?
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Er, first world/guud player problems?
First off, yes, you should quit however many games you want without doing it so much you get banned. Which really only applies to ranked anyway. With your experience, I think you actually know this.
Second, yes, the problem really is your skill level and how the match making system perceives your skill. Which means I kind of doubt you're going to get what you want. A Masters player, even one who can't climb to pred, is so much better than most of the game population, even if it gets mixed up I doubt you'll end up in a lot of satisfying games . There could be some sort of special beneficial system meant to cycle high skill players together even in pubs, but I also doubt Apex will be looking to do more programming work to come up with a solution for this.
This is why I don't think pubs should have any sbmm whatsoever. Sure, you might be outmatched or outplay your opponents most games, but it is a Battle Royal. Take your lumps and learn. And...every now and then you'll end up with a game satisfying enough to keep you going.
@hayhor
I’m going to use rough estimates because I don’t have the exact numbers.
When I solo queue:
Scenario A) About 70% of the time I get very very low teammates. These lobbies still have plenty of other Master/Pred players, but I would say that they are only about 40% of the lobby.
Scenario B) About 30% of the time, I am given two strong teammates but these lobbies are almost always 80-90% Master/Pred. It feels like I am playing in a lobby that’s full of premade squads.
Neither of these scenarios are pleasant, lol. Scenario A in particular must be super frustrating for the lower level players, as they almost always get melted by the many Masters in the lobby.
So ultimately I just try to queue with my friends— which exclusively drops me in lobbies that look like scenario B.- @Axs5626Sxa5001 Ok thanks. So your sbmm also punishes you for having friends like it does me.
- @E9ine_AC I’ve tested this with two level one accounts. Upon joining me, we dropped in the exact same lobby that I would. This indicates that it doesn’t average, and just goes on the ELO of the highest skilled player.
People can go back and forth on the philosophies of SBMM, but NO matchmaking system should deter you from playing with friends.
And for anyone who says “you can still play with your friends....” No. curating lobbies to specifically be super sweaty and then purposely dropping new players into these lobbies because they are queuing with friends who are more skilled then them is unethical and contradictory.
You can’t implement a system because it’s “more fair” for casual players and then punish casual players for playing with their friends. - @Axs5626Sxa5001 Not true at all. I can place myself into quite easy lobbies. The game will not cater to a level 1 grouping with a level 500 master. How is it fair for the rest of the level 1 to play against a master? That level 1 deserves to be placed into your lobbies. You have reached a peak of skill level that is going to properly place you as best as it can into the lobbies you deserve to be placed in.
So the system cant implement a change to make lower end lobbies unenjoyable for a lot new players. By sounds of it you want to be in bot lobbies because your friend is low level allowing you to bully lobbies. Level 1-10 determines your placement. If you dropping 20 bomb and 4k at level 2-5 best believe the game see's this. It then places them where they belong with the sweats. All depends on how good that player is. - @Axs5626Sxa5001 I go through same exact thing though. My friends who are not level 500 who are not good at the game is going against players with 15 to 100k kills on their legend. That is the risk my friends take when joining me. Because placing me into their lobbies would be over kill and the lobby would not last.
- @E9ine_AC
So then you and I are having entirely different experiences. I actually created two new accounts and had my friends sign into them. We then queued for trios.
The lobby was 80% pred/masters. I LITERALLY did this like 3 weeks ago. - @Axs5626Sxa5001 Yea I can't explain how that happen. It did not for me on my smurfs. I was in bot lobbies till around level 10. Well lobbies i consider bots. So i'd say it can possibly be regional thing with lower populations in que. on NA servers i have much different outcome then what you have had.
- @E9ine_AC But it’s not a one time occurrence. This is the way it’s been since S4. This is why so many people complain about not being able to queue with friends. This is EXACTLY why my real life friends don’t play with me anymore.
- @Axs5626Sxa5001 Thanks. That confirms what I thought about the team sbmm. That is going to the player with the best elo. So someone who is new should never even bother playing with a friend who is good. That is ridiculous to think about. Surely there is a way to balance the lobby a little.
- @Axs5626Sxa5001 Yea I have never had that experience other then friends joining on me on my main account. Which i dont smurf anymore as i came to understand i destroyed peoples play experiences. Like i said if a player stomps lobbies it is going place users where they belong.
Example. You kill lets say 6 people each game and die. This will raise a k/d to around at times like my gibby smurf a k/d of 13.4 so it began to place me with sweats for this reason. So new players getting to say even 1.5 k/d its going to look at that and say hmm time to boot them up to bigger lobbies. - @hayhor But the effect is not exclusive to “experience”. Even if you are an experienced player but not as skilled as the person you are joining, the lobby will be curated based on the higher ELO.
It absolutely 100% is egregious.
