Caustic Season 7 Changes are bad.

@Pallo420
Gas still slows.
<<< negligible, situational, like before
Caustic still sees opponents highlighted
<<< useful, like before
Gas does more damage
<<< negligible, like before
Opponents can now see you camping in the corner lol
<<< basically like before, once you moved back 1 meter after taking those major 1 tick damages

Now though, contrarily to before, there's literally no reason to avoid a gas trap in a fight since you can literally stand on it and still be able to function completely, hitting that huge caustic hitbox around the said trap.

Make the trap an actual deployable removing its one-hit-break base, and giving knockdown shield hitpoints to the sack. This way at least the flatulent sack of * that deployed it has some actual tactical use for such a worthless ability.

His passive will be less... of a bonus due to this change, absolutely. And really, the blurred vision played so well into setting up ambushes and taking out enemies who were not prepared for the trap. But with the removal of blurred vision inside Nox gas... I mean- more damage is nice but~~ I'd prefer a more debilitating affect.

How am I supposed to punish a 3-person squad for grouping together now? Since they'll be able to see me clearly- AND their surroundings; I (and many others) won't be able to 1v3 reliably anymore.

I'm not a fan of this change.  I have played Caustic from the start when he was pretty bad.  The previous change allowing people to shoot the barrels when they were deploying blunted him somewhat, but this change is stupid.  

If i am being chased down i cant get away, but i can duck into a building and throw a trap down and discourage a team from following me but its back to being a big fat sitting duck again. Sure, if you got down to the end of the game and a tight contested area you had an advantage, but its not like it was an "I Win" button is it?  What is Caustic left with?  A pretty obvious trap, that does negligible damage and that can be easily seen and destroyed with one shot and takes time to deploy.  Even throwing down his ultimate takes long enough to get you killed if you need to use it as a panic button.

If they insist on keeping this change they could do a few things.  Make it take more than one shot to take down a barrel, remove the ability to shoot it whilst deploying and/or reduce the time it takes to throw the ultimate down.

I would prefer it if they just reverted it to how it was in season 6, i thought that was fairly balanced.  Dont forget, Caustics always have to deal with other Caustics out there that can ignore their traps . .  its not like caustic is untouchable. Wattson can still barricade their team inside a building and have an ultimate that means you cant even throw grenades in there and will be slowly replenishing their shields as well.

Discussion here is not about "what ifs".

The nerf is dim witted, and half assed. Even the lead developer is asking contributions to make up for such a * nerf and resulting gimped kit on an already weak, unpopular legend.

The blur was a characteristic feature that was literally the only reasonable feature the legend had, and still was extremely situational and by no means in any way a "free win ticket".

You and DanielZKlein should go and look at caustic stats before even starting to think that removing the blur was a good idea.

Nevertheless, there's a good solution which would somewhat preserve the original legend concept: turn barrels into proper obstacles that the team can use as cover. This way, the laughable, negligible poison can at least act as a proximity deterrence, and the barrels can offer some tactical reasoning.

@RoamcelThe buff that allowed his team to move freely through his gas was absolutely op and made pushing a caustic pretty much impossible without another caustic. Crypto isnt even a great counter as you emp a caustic with six traps out and he usually has three more already on cool down (as well as his ult) or he just picks up before emp goes off and redistributes right after. The nerf weakens him pretty drastically. Ive been able to push and kill caustics and I barely even noticed the gas. My original idea was for a buff(before the overbuff apex decided on) that would allow teammates to be able to move freely through his gas for a short duration before being slowed/blinded. This would allow teammates to push through gas, retreat behind it, or secure kills in gas, but would punish teammates for camping/hiding in it. I feel like this would help balance the op nature of his gas instead of completely neuter it like this nerf has done.

I already tried to post pretty much this post but it was either removed and i wasnt told, or something screwed up.

Caustic is a big target, has no ability to escape combat.  If i want to escape i can jump into a building and maybe throw a trap or two down to cover my escape and discourage people following me.  The traps are pretty obvious, can be scanned and take time to deploy.  During deployment they can be shot and destroyed, and even when deployed they can be disable with a single shot. They can now no longer disrupt vision and you can take the same damage you would take from a single shot from an R99 whilst you just walk through it as you chase me down.  The ultimate take several seconds to deploy and throw, and no longer has the same effect.

If the intention is not to completely ruin the legend i have played pretty much from day one, they need to either revert the changed back to season 6 or:

Give barrels a bit more health so they cant get destroyed with one shot

Remove the ability to shoot the barrels as they deploy.

Reduce the time it takes to throw the ultimate.

My preference would be to just leave it as it was in season 6.

Regarding the buff so team mates can walk through the gas.  That was very nice, because before that Caustic got a bit of hate from team mates that didnt appreciate what caustic can do.

If you want to take that way as well, then make it so teams cant walk through watsons fences without taking damage.  Its the same thing.  Wattson can hide a barricade a team in a building with fences and throw down an ultimate so you cant even throw grenades in there and be replenishing shields as well whilst they hole up.

This is just Causticism.  We cant help being Caustic mains, we were born that way.  Stop persecuting us.