@raccoona_fortuna Yeah, no.Caustic really doesn't need to be nerfed, much less removed from the game. Lots of people would miss him.The hp it takes isn't that much, literally just don't walk through it. It won't insta kill you, which gives you time to get out of there using most abilities. Wraith can literally just use her tactical and she won't be affected at all.Caustic can't really spam it, as it takes about 25 seconds to charge each canister, and he has very little range. The only ranged part about him is his ult, which has more range but does basically the same thing as a trap.The easiest way to not be affected by his gas is to simply just not walk into it. You can even shoot the gas trap base to get rid of it completely.His ult has range and spread, but it doesn't stack damage, has a long pull out animation, and is literally an ult. It has to be better than normal.Caustic is more niche, and can be good in the right situation, but is just as likely to get caught in an open area where his gas is much less useful.His gas also slows and blinds his teammates.All in all, Caustic does not need a nerf and 100% should not be removed. Got anything else?

@Peri_Longbow_plz Your statements aren't wrong but they are flawed. His 15% damage reduction is negligible against most guns that aren't light ammo. This is anecdotal but the only thing that seems to keep most Caustics alive is their tendency to cling to buildings which affords them a fair amount of cover. I honestly forget they have damage reduction given how easily they go down when exposed.The comparison to Gibraltar is also quite fair. From the game's introduction both characters were theoretically strong in certain situations. Gibraltar thrives in open spaces while Caustic is beastly indoors. If your random three man team decides to dive buildings then buh-bye to Gibby's abilities. Likewise if they want to engage a fight in an open space Caustic can choose to abandon his team or make do with what he has.Only considering the most ideal situation for the character to fight in without considering the likelihood of being able to dictate the terms of a fight is flawed. Even if you are in an ideal location as a Caustic there are many ways to disable or get around his traps. Beyond that why fight him? If I see a Caustic has heavily trapped a building and I don't think I can take the fight easily I'll ignore him. What reason do I have to let him dictate the terms of the fight?The DPS of that gas also feels pretty weak. I'm rarely getting hit by the deepest parts of one his traps so I normally escape with minimum damage. Normally the traps only effectively deny an area and give away my location for a brief moment. The blind and slow are the more harmful aspects of his gas so complain about that if you like not the laughable damage.Caustic might be valuable in Ranked since he can be just too toxic (sorry but this amused me) for anyone to push but beyond that he isn't much in combat. In the hands of a capable player and decent team Caustic seems above average at best.

@raccoona_fortuna You obviously sound butt hurt, just keep dying from a caustic. He's a great character, specially in situations where you're the last of your squad inside a house about to get jumped by a whole squad. Git gud m9.

@Peri_Longbow_plz Who are these people exactly? Do they have any credibility or just some random streamer who rages after every loss or laughs like a p when they win? Because you ask anyone who actually knows what they're talking about when it comes to Caustic and viability and they'll confirm my statement

@Peri_Longbow_plz I won't say that their opinions are invalid. But tell me, who is saying these things?Also, how could your friend know that an area denial focused character is good at area denial? Especially in a point in the game where there isn't much area. A gibby ult would do the trick better, as it does much more damage.And, the gas affects teammates, so the Caustic's teammates are likely to be slowed and blinded as well. The only one who really gains from this is Caustic, and enemy Caustic's, but basically nobody else.Also, what first 5 google results? I googled "apex legends s4 legend tier list" the results were:First result, Caustic is C tier.Second result, Caustic is C tier.Third result, Caustic is B tier.Fourth result, (reddit) Caustic is B tier.Fifth and final result, Caustic is tier 3, which is on-par apparently with Mirage.Now, let's head to the video results. Same thing, apex legends s4 legend tier list.First result, GamingMerchant, Caustic is B tier.Second result, Raynday Gaming, Caustic is ranked 10th out of 12 legends.Third result, Frothy, Caustic is C tier.Fourth result, Macro, Caustic is C tier.

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Sir_Named
6 years ago
@raccoona_fortuna Yeah, no.
Caustic really doesn't need to be nerfed, much less removed from the game. Lots of people would miss him.
The hp it takes isn't that much, literally just don't walk through it. It won't insta kill you, which gives you time to get out of there using most abilities. Wraith can literally just use her tactical and she won't be affected at all.

Caustic can't really spam it, as it takes about 25 seconds to charge each canister, and he has very little range. The only ranged part about him is his ult, which has more range but does basically the same thing as a trap.
The easiest way to not be affected by his gas is to simply just not walk into it. You can even shoot the gas trap base to get rid of it completely.
His ult has range and spread, but it doesn't stack damage, has a long pull out animation, and is literally an ult. It has to be better than normal.
Caustic is more niche, and can be good in the right situation, but is just as likely to get caught in an open area where his gas is much less useful.
His gas also slows and blinds his teammates.

All in all, Caustic does not need a nerf and 100% should not be removed. Got anything else?
danznutzs
6 years ago
@raccoona_fortuna You obviously sound butt hurt, just keep dying from a caustic. He's a great character, specially in situations where you're the last of your squad inside a house about to get jumped by a whole squad. Git gud m9.
Pretzelnutcake
6 years ago
@raccoona_fortuna Yeah let's nerf the second worst character in the game because Tweedle Dum doesn't like adapting to situations where he can't press W into a building and win every game..
Peri_Longbow_pl
6 years ago
@Pretzelnutcake According to people's personal tier lists, Caustic is either A-Tier or S-Tier. So your proposal can't exactly be right.
Pretzelnutcake
6 years ago
@Peri_Longbow_plz Who are these people exactly? Do they have any credibility or just some random streamer who rages after every loss or laughs like a p when they win? Because you ask anyone who actually knows what they're talking about when it comes to Caustic and viability and they'll confirm my statement
Peri_Longbow_pl
6 years ago
@Pretzelnutcake And here we go again with "certain people's opinions being invalid for x reason to empower my statement which may or may not be equally as incorrect" - This is basically where arguing stops.

But if you want to know exactly, the first 5 google results. Plus, my friend is a caustic who says that caustic is extremely powerful especially in the last few ring contractions where one gas trap takes up a huge portion of the map - Well, at least in a mathematical way. And yes, continuous damage, vision obscure and slowdown are three very powerful combined traits in a game about fast paced survival where paying attention to your surrounding is key to victory.

Probably the reason why his caustic has so many wins to kills and level, but I guess what do I know.
Ionzur
6 years ago
@PretzelnutcakeStop saying this; "nerf the second worst character in the game" Caustic is most powerful character in Apex Legends. Even stronger than Gibby.
Pretzelnutcake
6 years ago
@Ionzur I really hope you're being sarcastic, but just incase you aren't I'm going to forget this thread exists, please don't reply to me here
Sir_Named
6 years ago
@Ionzur Caustic is definitely not the most powerful character in the game. He is huge, and is basically forced to stay inside or else his abilities lose most of their value.
Adendon
6 years ago
Caustic used to be one of the worst legends upon game release. He's only gotten better b/c of the personal buffs and the fortified buff, but even then I wouldn't think he's one of the best characters in the game, probably mid ranked or lower.
Here's a list of his general pros and *:
Pros:
His gas does direct health damage
His gas slows down enemies
His gas blinds enemies
He has fortified (takes less damage)
His ult has a big aoe
He can put down three canisters at once
*:
Gas only dangerous if you stand in it for too long (i.e. 6 seconds)
Gas blinds allies
Gas slows allies
His gas canisters have a long recharge time (25 seconds a canister)
His gas canisters can be disabled by shooting the base of the canister
Canisters don't activate if they are placed near an enemy (you'll need to shoot it to activate it)
Gas damage does not stack
He has a big body (more pixels to be at shot at)
Canisters take animation time to be armed
Can't tell if gas is friendly or enemy
On the issue about caustic's gas being too op in the final ring, the same can be said with bangalore's and gib's ult. Plus there are many workarounds for this, gib's dome, wattson ult, wraith's tactical, and having another caustic on your team.
On the issue that caustic is better than gib, that's a flat no. In a 1v1, gib would decimate caustic. Caustic's abilities most flourish within buildings. In an open field Caustic is low tier because he can't hide his traps behind anything except for a sole rock; his canisters can be easily avoided or disabled. The only way I'd ever see a caustic beat a gib in a 1v1 is if they were in a building, or a place like skulltown, and that's due to chip damage from accidentally running into the gas for 2 seconds at a time without healing.
If they nerfed Caustic's gas damage back to what it used to be, he'd be low tier again (the reason? because people used to run head first into the gas because the damage was laughable). Removing his blind and slow is a heavily debated topic so I can't delve into that.