Lifeline Auto-Revive is completely Broken

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@LordloshBang wrote:

Another game where i died, because of this crap auto-revive OP .....

Downing a player, he auto-revive him, and stay behind the shield i slide to knock him again, but no YOU GOT TO DO 100 damage in order to knock him again, what is this b.s. ?

So in a normal revive, you just do 1 damage and you interupt the revive, but this is straight broken.

It was a duos game and my ally was terrible. I`m getting punished, and you stretch the fight with this auto-revive and take the kills out of the players. I either got to heal and let them escape or go aggressively on not full hp, and gave his team an advantage. 

And you are making third party worst, because this stretch the fights a lot more and make you way more prone to getting third party and waste more resources because of this auto-revive b.s.

Bring back Lifeline old passive, and do not ever again play with revive and death mechanics, cause its totally break the game and actually punish the better player in the current situiation.

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It's really not that bad, if you know how to counter it.

If you're a person up (say 3v2), and the Lifeline (and/or their teammate tries to get aggressive, you can rush them. as long as you play well, you have the number advantage, in that situation.

Now, If they are being more defensive and are trying to use the revive shield is cover, throw a grenade over the shield. It'll screw with the person getting revived, fully killing them, if done correctly. And at that point, the other teammates have the choice of either staying behind the cover and taking damage from the grenade, or coming out from behind cover and facing your team.

It just takes a bit of strategy and planning is all. But, it's pretty easily countered You know what you're doing and you have the advantage, in terms of squad mates and weapons.

Nice joke. Strategy in a fast paced game, wow you don`t have time to think it up.

And yeah its bad.

In some situation grenade are useful, but just in some, in other situation are totally useless. Also you may not have grenade and your whole point is gone.

As far as just push, the game doesn`t work that way, because you have to think about the downed player that is getting revived as well.

And in order to down a player, you probably get damage, so you are either push not on full hp, probably even low, with the danger in getting down, and a big danger to get f* by a third party team, or heal and then push, and then the force will be equal again.

Auto-revive is a bad thing for the game the arguments i make have perfect sense. Zero skill and zero brain ability.

And next time read the whole post and think about it, before commenting on 1 point, without even thinking about it.

ToxicNoksy, this is a Lifeline discussion, not Gibraltar or Revenant. And i already mention in other threads that Revenant ULT is OP, esp when you combine it with Wraith portal and or doing thrd parties on 100% safety.

Gibraltar is okay where he is, the only thing he needs to be changed is to remove the faster revive in the dome. 
Fast revive and auto-revive is a bad mechanics and should not exist.

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@Sir_Named wrote:
@LordloshBang
“ Nice joke. Strategy in a fast paced game, wow you don`t have time to think it up.”
Wdym? There’s always time to strategize, even if it’s just a mini play. Apex isn’t that fast-paced.

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Yeah you always have something in mind when you do certain stuff, but its more of a muscle memory, when 2-3 peoples are shooting at you. You don`t think oh i will shot Lifeline first, its just a "muscle" reaction.

As far as Apex is not that fast-paced, is this a joke? Its  one of the fastest paced game(if not fasted) in the genre. Or you think Valorant or CS:GO is more fast-paced? :D

Because i know people who obviously don`t get what fast-paced is, and they actually think Apex is low-paced game, and they think Valorant and CS:GO as fast-paced games. :D

I`m asking because you obviously don`t know what you are talking if you think Apex is not extremely fast paced game.

Apex is extremely fast-paced game, and this is probably the main reason(at least for me) i need so much time to get used to in game, aka warm up.

I`m doing hour and a half kovaak routine, 20 minutes Apex Aim Trainer routine, and then like 20 minutes Firing Range routine, and when i start the game i`m still cold ****. :D

In CS:GO i don`t even need to warm up. I enter the game and i`m as good as i was yesterday after 3-4-5 hours of gameplay.

I guess you know who ImMadness is ? At least in my mind he got the best team currently with Pow and Vaxlon.

There is a video of him explaining exactly this and talking about Apex vs Valorant and how "stupid" that comparison is.

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@LordloshBang wrote:

Nice joke. Strategy in a fast paced game, wow you don`t have time to think it up.

And yeah its bad.

In some situation grenade are useful, but just in some, in other situation are totally useless. Also you may not have grenade and your whole point is gone.

As far as just push, the game doesn`t work that way, because you have to think about the downed player that is getting revived as well.

And in order to down a player, you probably get damage, so you are either push not on full hp, probably even low, with the danger in getting down, and a big danger to get f* by a third party team, or heal and then push, and then the force will be equal again.

Auto-revive is a bad thing for the game the arguments i make have perfect sense. Zero skill and zero brain ability.

And next time read the whole post and think about it, before commenting on 1 point, without even thinking about it.

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First, you have plenty of time for strategy and planning. Being good at any FPS game requires more than just mechanical skill. You also need to be able to assess a given situation and figure out a plan. Now this plan might be to push the enemy, or retreat, or what have you. But it's all part of an overall strategy. And if you cant do that, as a player, that's your own fault and your own shortcomings.

Second, you not having a grenade is mostly your own fault. They are everywhere, in this game. Maybe instead of having 400 ammo and 20 syringes on you, you could carry a grenade or two. It's not rocket science.

Thirdly, like I said in the first part of my comment, the game absolutely does work this way. Again, it's all about planning. When I said "rush in" I wasn't being literal. I didn't mean "run in like a mad man" I meant push when you have the advantage (which, You should, in a 3v2 situation). And, even if one of you gets downed and the revived teammate gets back up, if youve downed their teammates, what are they going to do? Take you on in a 1v2 at half health? 

Lastly, I read all of your reply and your OP and it sounds like you have no real reason against this ability, you just don't like it, because you don't understand how to deal with it and doing so requires effort on your part. Just because you don't know how to read a situation and counter an ability/enemy, doesn't make something a bad. It sounds like you just need to be a better player and not run in, like Rambo, without a care in the world.

Honestly, that's all this really boils down to. There's people in this game that just want to run in, guns blazing and have no consequences to their actions. Maybe if they learned that there is more to this game than "Shooty Shooty Bang Bang", we would see less topics, like this, on here. 

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@oP_Impact wrote:
Well said she isn’t op at all people are taking time to slow the game down in their head and form a start to work around her revive. It’s not hard to do she can be easily countered.

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Exactly. And I know there's talk in this thread about how "fast" or "slow" paced this game is, butt in reality, that's irrelevant. If you want to be good in this game, you need to deal with what it throws at you and you need to be assess a situation and make a decision quickly. If you can't do that, then you need to get better as a player.

I mean, it's not rocket science, we do it with everything in this game. You need to assess every situation, and then figure out what to do within it. Whether or not you should loot an area, when you should heal, when you should shoot, Which weapons you should pick up, all of that is part of being a good player.

in the situation the OP mentioned, there is things you can do to counter the enemy. Now, if you don't have the tools to counter them, Then I understand why it's difficult. But, as I said, that can also be mostly your fault. Like the grenade example I said, If you're not carrying one, that's your fault. There are plentiful around the map, and there's no reason you can't grab one or two. I'm not saying pack your inventory full of them, but grab a couple. 

I mean, everything you do in this game is a decision and it can affect the outcome of your fights. And, the better you are, as a player, the better and faster you can make these decisions. And if you know where things to plan for in general, Like you might come across a lifeline in the game, Then you can be better prepared for how to deal with her.

This is where not only knowing and understanding your own legend comes in handy, But also knowing and understanding the legends of your teammates and enemies comes in handy. Same things with the weapons you prefer, versus the weapons overall. The more knowledgeable you are about all things in this game, the better you can be prepared for any given situation. And that's all this is. Lifeline's new ability isn't overpowered, there's just a bit of a learning curve with how/when to use it and how to deal with it.

That's the same for anything that's new or altered in this game. When a new legend comes out, you have to learn how they play, same thing with a new gun, or if an ability is altered. As I said, there is a learning curve, and some people will learn faster Then others, but that doesn't mean that particular thing is bad and doesn't belong in the game. It just means you need to adjust to it, as a player.