Mastiff too powerful at close range
There is no way to pellets from the mastiff that are not headshots should score 112 damage yet anything short stream close range the massive is completely useless it should be balanced so it is avera...
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@LordloshBang 50 meters? 50 damage? Get me a clip of you doing that while in an actual fight! That’s an impressive feat. I don’t see people using it at that distance often.
70-80 isn’t all that much, especially since top tier auto weapons can destroy you fairly easily.
The PK had a consistent spread that was easy to use. Line the enemy up within the box and fire for fairly good damage.
Sure with the Mastiff you can hit things easier, but that doesn’t translate to damage. I could hip-fire with the Mastiff and get a hit every time, but the damage would be extremely low. To actually get good damage with the Mastiff, you have to line the enemy up with the actual center of the spread, (it’s easier with iron sights), in order to deal good damage. If you don’t do it correctly, you’ll end up with only some of the bullets hitting and like 40 damage. In effect, the Mastiff has a wider spread, which allows you to hit things easier, but to get actual damage you have to ads and the spread becomes much more difficult to hit.
Except for if you have an basic Evo shield or no shield, the Mastiff doesn’t one shot you. It’s more of a 2-3 shot if they’re really close. If that’s too much, then don’t get that close and don’t let them get that close.
70-80 isn’t all that much, especially since top tier auto weapons can destroy you fairly easily.
The PK had a consistent spread that was easy to use. Line the enemy up within the box and fire for fairly good damage.
Sure with the Mastiff you can hit things easier, but that doesn’t translate to damage. I could hip-fire with the Mastiff and get a hit every time, but the damage would be extremely low. To actually get good damage with the Mastiff, you have to line the enemy up with the actual center of the spread, (it’s easier with iron sights), in order to deal good damage. If you don’t do it correctly, you’ll end up with only some of the bullets hitting and like 40 damage. In effect, the Mastiff has a wider spread, which allows you to hit things easier, but to get actual damage you have to ads and the spread becomes much more difficult to hit.
Except for if you have an basic Evo shield or no shield, the Mastiff doesn’t one shot you. It’s more of a 2-3 shot if they’re really close. If that’s too much, then don’t get that close and don’t let them get that close.
I don`t record my game, so its hard to give you a clip. And i don`t play shootgun and Mastiff esp. much.
But you can always try it at the firing range. D:
But i watch a lot of pro streamers and a some of them are using it for exactly that. Got to find the game with Hal where he was shooting from a range with Mastiff one of the players and him him with 52 damage from a huge distance.
But yeah Mastiff is doing too much damage in close range and too much of a damage in kinda let said it SMG/medium range.
Its not the exact videos i was watching with Hal, but this is a good example too:
Look at 3:99:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ0cDmetq_s
Also 3:32, in the same video. Should you be able to still do such a damage on such distance ?
Same video, 6:08 he hit for 39 with half of his shots actually hit the target for a big distance. He literally finish all of them from a long range with the Mastiff.
Try to do this with Eva8 all you will got will be 8 damage at best if you manage to even hit them ....
The other problem with the mastiff is that is the best weapon for downed enemy,. you one shoot them ....
In this video at 4:01, he is doing 55, 66, 55 damage to Gibralter(he got fortified) in a SMG range situation, where shootgun damage should not be that massive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qcbjMNMMqU
Esp when it shoot that fast.
- @LordloshBang First thing, 3:99 is not a valid time signature. I was confused for a second.
After reviewing that TSM guy’s clip, he got the best shot, but that was also not 50 meters. Also, his R-99 recoil control is suspiciously good.
The 3:32 clip is fine. It takes multiple shots, and it is more like 15 meters. Definitely not 50.
The 6:08 clip also proves my point. He had to take two shots, both of which did less than 40 damage. If he had some other auto weapon, it’d be much better.
Yes, a close range shotgun is good for killing a close, mostly defenseless person.
On the other video, the Gibby clip is a good example, but there are some counter points I can make.
The Gibby was surprised, and therefore didn’t put up his gunshield, which put him at a huge disadvantage given his thicc body.
A lot of those clips had people fairly close, maybe 10 meters away, and the Mastiff just did around 50 damage a shot. Not nearly as close to the amount of damage it could do if closer.
Also, I wouldn’t section off a certain range as SMG range only in this kind of scenario. The SMG’s can really be used from 5 meters out to much further (if you have pro aim. Mediocre aim still works, depending on the smg.), and similarly, the shotguns can be used from point blank to 15 meters effectively.- @Sir_Named I think he means the 3:59 clip, which I think that distance is about 30+ meters. I wonder why he can land 4+ bullets at that distance, despite that it seems that only 1-2 bullets hit on the screen.
@Sir_Named wrote:
@LordloshBangFirst thing, 3:99 is not a valid time signature. I was confused for a second.
After reviewing that TSM guy’s clip, he got the best shot, but that was also not 50 meters. Also, his R-99 recoil control is suspiciously good.
The 3:32 clip is fine. It takes multiple shots, and it is more like 15 meters. Definitely not 50.
The 6:08 clip also proves my point. He had to take two shots, both of which did less than 40 damage. If he had some other auto weapon, it’d be much better.
Yes, a close range shotgun is good for killing a close, mostly defenseless person.
On the other video, the Gibby clip is a good example, but there are some counter points I can make.
The Gibby was surprised, and therefore didn’t put up his gunshield, which put him at a huge disadvantage given his thicc body.
A lot of those clips had people fairly close, maybe 10 meters away, and the Mastiff just did around 50 damage a shot. Not nearly as close to the amount of damage it could do if closer.
Also, I wouldn’t section off a certain range as SMG range only in this kind of scenario. The SMG’s can really be used from 5 meters out to much further (if you have pro aim. Mediocre aim still works, depending on the smg.), and similarly, the shotguns can be used from point blank to 15 meters effectively.First clip is 3:59, he is doing 52 damage from a very large distance, and he did not even land the full shot, because the rock took some of the pellets.
I`m talking about this moment:
https://imgur.com/XB83hb5Don`t know how many meters is, but no shootgun should hit you for 52 damage in that distance. Its completely broken. With Eva8 you won`t even do 1 damage at that distance.
As far as 6:08 i don`t see how its prove your point, big distance and he is using Mastiff as a medium range weapon and going 40 damage while landing half of his shots. This is ridiculously broken.
Giby clip is another ridiculously one. He kill a purple Giby with 3 shots for 55,66,55 from a distance, and Giby is fortified, so the damage is even higher ..... You should not be able to use Mastiff as range weapon like that, sorry this is broken.
Shotgun should be just finishing weapons that work best at close range, and should not be able to land such heavy shots at medium range.
They should not land any damage at all at that distance, to be fair.
And Shotgun should not do anything more than a 60-70 damage in full hit at close range. They should be finishing weapons, not a whole squads killer with 1-2 shots.
And when you are in house/closed area, the shotgun power is even higher ....
All Shotgun should be balanced towards Eva8 without the double tap trigger. And they should do low to 0 damage at anything further than 15 meters.
I completely disagree with you on this one sorry.I think the clips and pinpoints i made exactly prove my point, and many peoples think like me, that the Mastiff is completely broken.
I forget to say, that the range of his pellets its ridiculous big, and you just spam, without even properly aiming and you are still hitting your shots for high damage ....
2:01 - Should you be able to do 52 damage in this situation, when he is half behind the door and the distance is not small ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV3uTNkCMaA
At 2:55, should you ber able to do 98 damage in that situation and in that range?
At 5:04 house play, game over, 104 damage to no LP ....
The main problem is the big range of its pellets, the big damage, the distance, a lot of bullets, you need to reload just 1 to shoot again, and on top of that, kinda fast shooting.You don`t need even quite a bit of aim, to spam with it and be successful .....
I think the problem is that mastiff has a strange bullet hitbox.
With the video that AOD given above, I found difficulties to understand "Why it hits even it seems it doesn't hit on screen"
Like the video that the man shoots at someone who is half behind the door, although the distance between them are not too far, the door blocks some of the bullet and yet, it still landed half of the bullets (4) even though some of them are missed (not blocked by door, but simply the spread is large that they missed). Maybe this is the problem that makes it too powerful that it damages people even it seemed to be missed.
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