SuperMcDIRTnAsTy​ 

Thank you for your concrete proposal.

I thought that your idea offers a positive approach by providing solo players with a new option. Here are my thoughts on your proposal:

Points I agree with:

1. Unfair team compositions are indeed causing players to quit.
2. Your proposal could avoid a decrease in the number of players queuing for Ranked as duos.
3. It could generate new opportunities for player interaction.
4. The LTM was well-received.

Points I disagree with, and my reasons:

Creating a new mode:

Introducing any new content, regardless of its nature, requires development resources and cost. This could also lead to player populations being split across different modes, potentially affecting matchmaking times and quality in each.

Improving current issues:

While addressing the feeling of unfairness is important, that's not the only problem. Duos in the regular Ranked mode facilitate boosting and smurfing, which contributes to the devaluation of rank, increases the number of players quitting early, and hinders matchmaking efficiency and quality.

Asmodeus566​ 

Thank you for your detailed response. Here are my thoughts on your points:

Points I agree with:

・It's possible the number of players queuing for Ranked as duos would decrease if this change were implemented.

・Playing in a full party can indeed involve fatigue.

・The root cause of cheating and malicious behavior lies with the individual perpetrators.

Points I disagree with, and my reasons:

・Decrease in player count and revenue: 

Casual modes already offer duo-specific content, so the opportunity for duo play wouldn't be entirely lost. Instead, by improving the fairness of Ranked matches, it's highly probable that participation from solo and full-party players would increase, potentially more than compensating for any decline in duo numbers.

・Slower matchmaking and wider skill gaps:

If duos were removed, the matchmaking algorithm would be simplified, which should actually improve both matchmaking speed and quality. The current rank distribution, with 33% in Diamond and 22% in Platinum at the end of Season 25 Split 1, suggests that ranks might not accurately reflect true skill. A clearer representation of genuine skill differences (i.e., a healthier ranking system) would be a desirable outcome, not a drawback.

・Fatigue in full parties:

In competitive Ranked play, forming a full party necessitates schedule coordination and consistent, close communication via voice chat. The accompanying mental and time-based fatigue from this is unavoidable.

・Duos not encouraging boosting or undermining fairness/competitiveness:

Structural issues that facilitate illicit activities shouldn't be ignored. Duos inherently have a structural advantage over solo players in terms of coordination. While full parties are prioritized to match against other full parties, duos are often matched with solo players. This "duo + solo" mixed party composition in matchmaking is what creates a sense of unfairness for solo players and easily facilitates boosting and smurfing, making it a fundamental structural problem.

I am not suggesting removing premade squads from the game I'm saying simply put a mode in where playeres who solo Q to have the option to play against only other solo Q players instead of 3 stacks or duos. It would fairly increase player count for the people who have quit because of unfair teams which is what this entire discussion is about so there is most definitely a problem there. On top of that it would give players a chance to find other players who have similar play styles and then possibly form there own duo or trio to fight in the other lobbies. It's been done in an LTM last season and a lot of players loved it but it was revival so you had to kill the same team 3 times if they didn't run away first after losing one man. It's a good idea and something to try. It can not be worse than the lopsided lobbies we have now. Still have premade trios and duos but add a mode where solo Q players have a chance and maybe even  are able to make new friends to create their own duos and trios. Food for thought. 

Akipekopeko​ 

Sorry for the delayed reply. Been busy.

Like I said before this would not be a good idea. 

Not allowing premade duos to play together in ranked and or pubs would not be good.

In affect when one of my friends could not make it to play we the other two would not be able to play together. This would impact me in a very negative way. I am sure there are a lot of other players would fall in the same boat.

If EA would do this they would lose a lot of players, which in turn would = less income which would mean less $ spent to improve the game. This would also mean less ranked players which would increase MM time and or MM quality as the skill gap of the players available would be greater because speed of MM takes priority over closeness of skill values.  When you look at it this way it would be a loss for the players, community and the company.   

Playing in a full team may or may not involves significant fatigue from scheduling and intense communication, That is dependent on the group of players themselves. 

The presence of duos significantly encourages boosting behavior, thereby severely undermining fairness and competitiveness. The presence of duos does not encourage boosting nor impact the fairness or competitiveness of ranked play. As far as boosting goes report it if you see it. What would stop a one player in a premade squad of three boosting the other two? Solo's Duo's or premade 3 stacks are not the problem, the problem are players that cheat or boost. 

sebashooter​ 

That's good idea!

I want to this option. Please Respawn.

SuperMcDIRTnAsTy​ 

My Response

It's interesting how we have different perspectives despite being in the same position. Thank you for the concrete proposal. I agree with some points, but disagree with others.

What I Agree With

You're right that communication isn't always smooth even among solo players. Regardless of party composition, solo players are still challenged to effectively use tools like pings or chat.

What I Disagree With

Implementing "Solo Q ranked and pubs".

My Reasons

First, implementing any new content is challenging. Furthermore, this approach wouldn't solve the core issues i raised: the easy of ranked play caused by duo boosting and smurfing in the regular ranked mode, and the complexity of matchmaking.

 As someone who also plays ranked in a full party, I want to see these issues resolved as well.

Asmodeus566​ 

・My Thoughts

I understand you want to oppose my proposal. However, your counter-arguments feel abstract and, frankly, like you're ignoring my points.

・Why I Feel This Way

I presented clear reasons for my proposal and its expected benefits, yet you didn't address any of them. You simply expressed your disagreement. Isn't that hardly conducive to a constructive discussion?

・Your Misunderstanding

You claim that solo players choose their situation, but that's incorrect.

Solo players absolutely do not want to be forced into teams with duos, nor do they wish to be complicit in duo boosting or smurfing.

Speaking for myself, playing in a full party involves significant fatigue from scheduling and intense communication, which is why I also play ranked solo. But I'm forced to play with Duos when I play Solo runked. It's a terrible situation when I'm trying to play solo for some casual enjoyment.

・Conclusion

I've outlined the concrete benefits if my proposal were implemented. If you believe there's an error in my reasoning, please point it out specifically. I'd particularly appreciate it if you could explain why my proposal would be bad for the game, the community, and the company.

SuperMcDIRTnAsTy​ 

Nice post. Thanks for posting it.

I still think that 3 stack premade should be allowed. It is after all a team game and I myself have 2 solid friends who play with me just about every Friday and not being able to play with them on my team would not be fair. additionally I have 2 other friends that occasionally play and or fill in when one or both of my other friends cannot make it, so same thing there.

Sometimes it is two of us and we are a premade duo, we try to incorporate the solo player we get assigned either we play to their style and let them take the lead or we try to get them to follow us. This does not always work out.

I do play a lot of solo Q, so when I get matched with a premade duo I try to follow their lead and adjust my style to theirs. When we are all random solo's playing together it is difficult but not impossible to have a good game.  

I can see where you're coming from being I'm a 100% solo player all the time. But I personally like being paired with duos rather than solos

 The solos always go 3 separate ways because they believe they're making the right call or they simply don't trust their teammates to do their part. So the resort to ratting or throwing. When I'm paired with a duo I find it much easier just to stick with them and hope they play well togeter. At least they're both gonna go the same way so it's my choice to follow. 

But I do have a proposal I feel would help us both. Solo Q ranked and pubs. No premade squads.  We're still put into teams of 3 like normal but everyone is a solo. That's as fair as it gets. 3 random players seeing if they have the ability to come together and cooperate to come out on top. That is a true test of skill instead of allowing players to ride on the back of their friends or 3 stacking sweats who Smurf to have better games. 

Akipekopeko​ 

"Proposal: Prohibiting Duos in Ranked Matches"

No way. This would not be good for the game, the community and the company.

As the solo player if you get matched with a premade duo it is on you to play to their style or at least attempt to. 

It is a team game and the duo has at least 2/3 of a full premade team, why should they have to bare an extra cost to play? Why should a solo player get a bonus for being solo? 

I have to totally disagree with your proposal.