The map is way too small.If you start a fight, every team across the map converges on your position. You don't even get chance to heal, its just one team after another, after another.If you use any Heroes with abilities to relocate anywhere, you just end up relocating on top of another team, because the map just isn't big enough.Scrap the map, get rid of it. It was fine when there were heroes and abilities/equipment everywhere that allows transitioning the map quicker; but now, its no where near big enough to get any gameplay out of it.

@StevoydI'm finding all the original maps to be a little tight after getting used to Storm and Moon. But since they aren't going anywhere you should consider dropping edge and working inward as a way of avoiding the crush. If people insist on landing Containment or Cage or Market or Bunker then it's on them when they get piled on.

@MrGreenWithAGunYou're referring, I assume, to the upper river valley starting at Containment and flowing south. It's a huge bowl with lots of overlooks, and is definitely a sniper's paradise. And with one break, you get a repeat of the effect at Cage. These are areas you don't go through. You go around. Valk helps most, but so does Pathfinder or even Wraith. And now, with mobile jump towers, everyone's a Valk.As soon as you stop thinking of these spaces as your graveyard and start thinking of them as someone else's it gets a lot more fun. Assuming you like mid-to-long range poking.

I usually hot-drop straight out of the ship and go vertically down (so edge drop). There's usually only one or two teams - that's sustainable. You can fight that and win most encounters if you think tactically and put the third team between you and your initial opposition, and rotate around the fight rather than straight through it to prevent revives etc...The problem is, once you've dealt with your one or two, because of the sounds being so audible at long ranges, people in the next region hear it, and traverse to you - so that's usually 3-4 additional teams heading your way... and the audio doesn't stop in the next area, its usually those on the NEXT area from those that start heading your way too.You may luck out and get them to engage on each other before they reach you, but you need to have completed the following IN THE TIME IT TAKES FOR ONE TEAM TO TRAVERSE A SINGLE AREA:Engaged in the current fight, and won itHealed and reloaded all your weaponsLooted for more ammo / healsIf you're operating in a scenario where the opposition team does not have any transition abilities to move through the surrounding areas quicker, and they're not stopping to loot at every building or pill box. The entire fight has to be concluded within 30 seconds - which is unreasonable unless the initial teams are fully exposed and have low armour or heals.I raise this as a concern because I was fighting artillery from drop. One other team landed with us. We fought the first team, and killed two of them within about 60 seconds. One ran away that we thought was a Crypto because a drone scanned us. The Crypto was part of another team from the tower connected to artillery. We wiped that team. Then another team came from behind artillery (I don't know that area's name), and while they attacked us, we quickly fell back to the building next to the climbable wall area to heal, and reload, and another team came through the wall.While they were pushing on us, ANOTHER team came through the tunnel to engage on the team that came from behind artillery.That's SIX teams converging on one spot because of a fight breaking out. This being an area that only has TWO connecting drop-sites (Tower, and that bit behind). People were coming from Containment, Radar, and that bit near run-off... just to get involved in a third-party fight, all in the first zone, all in the space of about 2 minutes.When we finally died, there were 9 squads left, and 3 squads still in the Artillery area (even more turned up) even though it was no longer in the zone as zone 1 was closing.It's utterly ridiculous.

@StevoydWhat I don't like about Kings Canyon in geometry is much like Olympus. It isn't explicitly segregated into mini maps, so you can cross map from key areas in many directions into other regions. KC has some definitive segregation, but there are wide areas that are open to snipers with nearly 360 degree aiming. this makes traversing some ares very uninviting.

@reconzero"And I get wanting to drop where at least one or two other squads drop. It's a shooter and people do seem to want to shoot. But the longer you put off the fight then the better off you'll be. Statistically. And in terms of loot. Food for thought. "I agree with your thinking, but at the same time this is true if damage and kill counts are not what you want, but rather to be one of the last 2 or 3 squads standing.Some people on my team want to engage immediately so that they can rack up damage. I have only broke 1000 once, but I have seen others break 2k and they are very aggressive. I love playing with them when they work as a team with me, because they help me relax and I can do some real damage with them.But here is the kicker. I won't know if the jump master is someone that is really good and will break 2k before the end of the match or someone who just wants to end his squad early as they drop us in hot.I kid you not, once a teammate rebuked another teammate of mine for finishing off an enemy. His comment was, "Let them heal!" He found them to be noobs and wanted to rack up as much damage as he could.So funny.

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reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Stevoyd

I'm finding all the original maps to be a little tight after getting used to Storm and Moon. But since they aren't going anywhere you should consider dropping edge and working inward as a way of avoiding the crush. If people insist on landing Containment or Cage or Market or Bunker then it's on them when they get piled on.
Stevoyd
3 years ago
I usually hot-drop straight out of the ship and go vertically down (so edge drop). There's usually only one or two teams - that's sustainable. You can fight that and win most encounters if you think tactically and put the third team between you and your initial opposition, and rotate around the fight rather than straight through it to prevent revives etc...
The problem is, once you've dealt with your one or two, because of the sounds being so audible at long ranges, people in the next region hear it, and traverse to you - so that's usually 3-4 additional teams heading your way... and the audio doesn't stop in the next area, its usually those on the NEXT area from those that start heading your way too.
You may luck out and get them to engage on each other before they reach you, but you need to have completed the following IN THE TIME IT TAKES FOR ONE TEAM TO TRAVERSE A SINGLE AREA:
Engaged in the current fight, and won it
Healed and reloaded all your weapons
Looted for more ammo / heals
If you're operating in a scenario where the opposition team does not have any transition abilities to move through the surrounding areas quicker, and they're not stopping to loot at every building or pill box. The entire fight has to be concluded within 30 seconds - which is unreasonable unless the initial teams are fully exposed and have low armour or heals.
I raise this as a concern because I was fighting artillery from drop. One other team landed with us. We fought the first team, and killed two of them within about 60 seconds. One ran away that we thought was a Crypto because a drone scanned us. The Crypto was part of another team from the tower connected to artillery. We wiped that team. Then another team came from behind artillery (I don't know that area's name), and while they attacked us, we quickly fell back to the building next to the climbable wall area to heal, and reload, and another team came through the wall.
While they were pushing on us, ANOTHER team came through the tunnel to engage on the team that came from behind artillery.
That's SIX teams converging on one spot because of a fight breaking out. This being an area that only has TWO connecting drop-sites (Tower, and that bit behind). People were coming from Containment, Radar, and that bit near run-off... just to get involved in a third-party fight, all in the first zone, all in the space of about 2 minutes.
When we finally died, there were 9 squads left, and 3 squads still in the Artillery area (even more turned up) even though it was no longer in the zone as zone 1 was closing.
It's utterly ridiculous.
MrGreenWithAGun
New Ace
3 years ago
@Stevoyd

What I don't like about Kings Canyon in geometry is much like Olympus. It isn't explicitly segregated into mini maps, so you can cross map from key areas in many directions into other regions. KC has some definitive segregation, but there are wide areas that are open to snipers with nearly 360 degree aiming. this makes traversing some ares very uninviting.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Stevoyd

Artillery may be an edge drop, but even an edge drop is bad if it's the first available POI on the drop line. I don't know if you've ever delayed your drop and turned around while still in the drop ship to watch where and how other people jump, but it's instructive. In my experience being first out of the ship is bad, edge or no. Being last out is usually good. Center of map, bad. Major point of interest anywhere other than late and off the line, bad. People like center because they think they'll save themselves a long, hard rotation. What they save themselves is the ability to loot effectively. If the size of King's has any upside, it's that a knowledgeable player can traverse the map around the edges and still make a corner-to-corner rotation. That's much harder on Storm or Moon.

And I get wanting to drop where at least one or two other squads drop. It's a shooter and people do seem to want to shoot. But the longer you put off the fight then the better off you'll be. Statistically. And in terms of loot. Food for thought.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@MrGreenWithAGun

You're referring, I assume, to the upper river valley starting at Containment and flowing south. It's a huge bowl with lots of overlooks, and is definitely a sniper's paradise. And with one break, you get a repeat of the effect at Cage. These are areas you don't go through. You go around. Valk helps most, but so does Pathfinder or even Wraith. And now, with mobile jump towers, everyone's a Valk.

As soon as you stop thinking of these spaces as your graveyard and start thinking of them as someone else's it gets a lot more fun. Assuming you like mid-to-long range poking.
MrGreenWithAGun
New Ace
3 years ago
@reconzero"And I get wanting to drop where at least one or two other squads drop. It's a shooter and people do seem to want to shoot. But the longer you put off the fight then the better off you'll be. Statistically. And in terms of loot. Food for thought. "

I agree with your thinking, but at the same time this is true if damage and kill counts are not what you want, but rather to be one of the last 2 or 3 squads standing.

Some people on my team want to engage immediately so that they can rack up damage. I have only broke 1000 once, but I have seen others break 2k and they are very aggressive. I love playing with them when they work as a team with me, because they help me relax and I can do some real damage with them.

But here is the kicker. I won't know if the jump master is someone that is really good and will break 2k before the end of the match or someone who just wants to end his squad early as they drop us in hot.
I kid you not, once a teammate rebuked another teammate of mine for finishing off an enemy. His comment was, "Let them heal!" He found them to be noobs and wanted to rack up as much damage as he could.
So funny.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@MrGreenWithAGun

"But here is the kicker. I won't know if the jump master is someone that is really good and will break 2k before the end of the match or someone who just wants to end his squad early as they drop us in hot."

I know. They are almost always the hack on a suicide mission. I have to assume that in every match. In the rare instances where it's a "superior" player, they're still playing their own personal meta without regard for the skills or strategies of their squadmates. The only thing more dangerous to me than an inexperienced squadmate is an experienced squadmate. Wow, that's pretty nihilist even for me!

"this is true if damage and kill counts are not what you want, but rather to be one of the last 2 or 3 squads standing."

Most of the people in this game don't even believe that winning is an option so they play strictly for damage and kills. The irony. They don't even realize that the harder they push those stats the farther away they push the win. Unless you're Timmy or Aceu, and then you can pretty much do whatever it is you want.

I will never understand the "damage and kills" mindset. I understand it exists and I understand how it works and the behaviors it produces. But to me that's like entering a marathon in order to see how fast you can run the first hundred yards. Utterly and completely pointless, imo. Don't people ever get tired of losing?
MrGreenWithAGun
New Ace
3 years ago
@reconzero I see your point. I have to admit, my focus is on damage and kills, more on damage these days. Why? Because it is a stat that I see in those that play well. It is the best indicator of your abilities. And I have only broke 1k once. I want to do that often, then I will think about the long game.
DrWizardo
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
I think KC is ok, WE is the map I have issues with.
blackeyeriver
3 years ago
@reconzero Well, if you cannot adapt to the "faults" of your teammates what does that say about you as a teammate? The point of the game is to enjoy it. Shooting is part of it. Like it or not.

You have said so many times that you do not help your team mates or share loot, then why should anyone even believe a word that you say? You sound like a bad teammate and somehow proud of it?

You persistently make posts about how you are somehow so great at the game with your win %, yet you do not hold a single badge that showcases skill or even a decent rank? Truth is you and I know you cannot attain those things otherwise you would. You hold comfort in getting some wins, which aren't even that high and like to pretend that it is. Winning is easy, winning while having a good game is the hard part.

Now, if you wanna play overly passive that's fine. But stop trying to sell everyone one the idea. Half the fun is going into fights and coming out on top, and surviving crazy clutches - something you do not seem to understand. If you are so opposed to everyone who plays with you there is a no fill option just for you.

Honestly, this was never even an issue or topic of discussion before you and your friend joined the boards. We all knew the score. Stop trying to convince people otherwise. People play for other reasons in pubs aside from always having to win. The point is having fun, something you seem to miss completely.