6 years ago

Revenant - Feedback post buff

Ever since the update dropped, Revenant seems to appear more commonly. Yeah, even in my own teams the likelihood of a Revenant appearing is high.

Previously, I found him useful. Now I find him mandatory. I spectated a few games, only to find out that in most of them, a Revenant was on their team.

Tactical ability is considered the silencer for abilities. It was fine at 10 seconds, because 10 seconds is incredibly high for a fast paced combat game such as Apex Legends. Now it was increased to 20 seconds, with 2 charges. skillful players can add up a 40 second silencing. That is way too long.

Many legends rely on their abilities. Lifeline is useful thanks to her healing drone, Gibraltar is great due to his shield dome. Wraith makes use of into the void to exit out of combat, and caustic suffers almost the most thanks to this because he couldn't even use his gas traps, basically considered the best defensive ability in the game. None of them could potentially use their abilities for 40 seconds flat.

10 seconds was already a long time. It really can pull up some changing tides. You damaged a lifeline? Well, you can be sure once the ability is on her, she won't be able to heal up that quickly for 10 seconds from that point on. If you want to make this ability useful while also preventing an overpowered side effect: 10 seconds of silence followed by 10 seconds of immunity to silence. Keep the 2 charges.

Death totem is another candidate, which increases the effective health of Revenant by 49. With full equipment, you have an effective health of 249 + overkill damage, which is the highest in the game, only rivaled by Gibraltar, who is a tank. That does not account a maxed out evo shield, merely a purple shield. 49 additional potential health is too much. That 1 health was already good, considering you basically escape combat and you get time to heal.

You also negate the last shot by the amount of health remaining. So if you so happen to have 10 health, and you get shot by a shotgun right into the face with ~110 damage, you basically soak up 100 damage. That's another 100 that go into the effective health.

Quick and simple idea: Overkill damage should be loaded into a buffer, meaning any healing done by healing items will first reduce that buffer, and THEN account towards the healing.

I know, people won't like this feedback, but I feel it's important to bring it up.

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22 Replies

Sir_Named
6 years ago
@Peri_Longbow_plz The 20 second buff could be too much. But 40 seconds is pretty rare, plus in that situation Revenant couldn’t really silence anyone else. In addition, Lifeline doesn’t really depend on her tactical or ultimate abilities too much, just her passive, which isn’t silenced. Her tactical isn’t great for combat, as you have to be a sitting duck when using it.
All in all, it might need a nerf, but I think 15 seconds would be a good balance.

Death totem is pretty balanced as it is. The 1 health you had before didn’t really make the totem worth it, as you’d go in, get lasered really easily, and then get sent back to the totem. It was good in some situations, but there were others where it wasn’t, and it should’ve been. Plus, this is an ultimate ability, so it is supposed to be powerful.
The overkill damage doesn’t really matter. Why should they have to heal the overkill damage? It’s like if you knock someone with overkill damage. Why would a revived person need to heal overkill damage? (Not sure if that really made sense). Basically, what I’m trying to say, is that the overkill damage doesn’t really need to have a lasting effect.

Good feedback though.
Peri_Longbow_pl
6 years ago
20 seconds is 20 seconds you just become a normal character without abilities, even if they are available regularly. That makes characters like Caustic, Pathfinder or Wraith who are marked by their ability pretty much just a legend without any advantages. 20 seconds sounds little, but trust me, 20 seconds is way more in a battle than what you currently feel. 10 seconds was already very long. Plus, you have 2 charges. You have a guaranteed refresh/second person affected.
You can imagine Totem on another Legend very well. Imagine Wraith's wormhole was only for you and your team mates, and traveling through it restores 50 health on exit. It's the same effect. Yet I believe no one would want that, right? Or if Wraith uses into the void, exiting would grant +50 health. It's the same. Totem accounts for your entire team, meaning that the entire enemy team gets a flat 150 total health. Doesn't sound that innocent anymore.
The buffer damage was supposed to account lethal damage into the death prevention. Why? It's quite simple, actually. Imagine you shoot a half dead enemy with a sniper or a shotgun. Hypothetically, this overkill damage just vanishes into nowhere. Every other would have died/been downed now. They soaked this damage up and can instantly use even just a single syringe to be back at 75% health, and a single shield battery would put them on full shield. They are basically full health enemies again. Your team doesn't have that capability. You stand there with at least 50 health missing, for each team member that is, so that is 150 health missing.
Long story short, instead of putting the health back to 1 upon lethal damage, buffer damage can at least prevent the gathering of a turning tide in a battle. Or in words a raging person stomping into the forum would say: It's overpowered/unfair.
Sir_Named
6 years ago
@Peri_Longbow_plz A Wraith still won’t be affected too much by the silence, as her hitbox is small. The point of the silence is to make characters be somewhat normal. If you have skill with movement, like strafing or sliding, this will force you to use it more.
It’s also not guaranteed. You can miss easily if the person decides to move, plus it is literally a giant glowing ball.
The point of the totem is to give you basically a second life. The balance is that you only have 100 health when you enter the totem, which makes you much easier to kill than normal. It’s supposed to be strong. If you want to prevent this, then you can use a Caustic, or a Gibby ult, or a Bangalore ult, or by simply shooting down the 100 health shadow figures. Heck, even the hammer point hop ups are a huge counter to this.
If I have to sit there after I get hit with a Wingman headshot and pop a medkit to just get rid of the buffer damage, then it’s now similar to before.
It isn’t really op though.

(Also, sidenote. The battery restores all shields, not just a certain amount. I assume the same for the medkit and Phoenix kit, and it says the same on the wiki. I’m not sure how this would fit into your buffer damage thing.)
xx_Dante2k_xx
6 years ago
@Sir_Named I love playing him now, probably my most used legend since he was introduced and with the buffs think he is certainly a good legend to have on your team now.
Bloodhound had a buff recently as well so I'm happy now just need some love for Octane.

Obviously Mirage needs a rework as well.
Sir_Named
6 years ago
@xx_Dante2k_xx Revenant is pretty good now. He’s not my most used legend, (probably) as he is relatively new, but I might start maining him.
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Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
@Peri_Longbow_plz Your ideas sucks dude, I can now see why they don't care about the players feedback smh. You might want to worry about under powered legends rather than a legend who just got buffed.
Peri_Longbow_pl
6 years ago
@SERPENT_DESCEND Balance isn't just about a character being awesome to play, but also awesome to play against. Keyword counterplay. Besides, feedback to various underpowered legends has been given in masses, if you can't see those and instead complain about a single thread such as this, learn how a Forum works. Thank you.
Sir_Named
6 years ago
@Peri_Longbow_plz Well, you don’t have to have fun playing against a character.
Playing against a Caustic or Wattson camping in a house isn’t very fun. But that’s how it is.

Revenant isn’t really mandatory either. I like playing him, and I think a lot of other people just like playing him. His ultimate is easy to use and fun.
Alphabets
6 years ago
I think Revenant is now better and can be classified as a B tier legend.
Two main problems left and needs fixing:
I still believe his hitbox is too big and if they don't want to change the hitbox, they should give him something like Fortified.
Other than hitbox, there is a big problem with his silent: You (as Revenant) cannot see through it and it completely blocks your view; I tried to see the positive side and consider it as a good blocking spot for healing, etc, but to be honest, silent is designed to disable enemies in close range fights, and it seriously stop you from aiming properly. Maybe they should give him an ability like caustic to see enemies effected by his silent a bit clearly.
Monhulio
6 years ago
@Alphabets Or just decrease the visual intensity of it to make it a bit more translucent. Doesn't have to suddenly add threat detection necessarily.