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MaxGenPilot's avatar
3 years ago
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The simplest Crypto buff.

For the Apex team and community's consideration,
 
I have a simple proposal to streamline our frequent interaction with Crypto's drone: apply Vantage's Echo bat movement logic to it.
 
That's really all there is to it - just take the exact implementation for how you can reposition Echo by pointing anywhere in your view (within say 50m, for balance) and then simply apply it to the drone as well. Recalling the drone and entering drone view would function as it currently does, and by allowing offhand control of the drone the player can then rapidly reposition it during a fight while maintaining "guns up" and staying off the grid. This isn't even technically a buff, but rather a rework to improve overall effectiveness of his entire kit (surveilance and disruption).
I want to state that I believe Crypto is in a good spot as things currently are, and this would serve as a QOL improvement.
 
As far as implementation goes, the logic is quite literally already in the codebase.
However, I don't want to diminish the hard work that the developers do to keep the game in a great state for us players - I'm just saying that given the existing implementation of Vantage's kit, it would stand to reason that this has "already been done before" and would not necessarily be a massive undertaking for the team to add into the game if they see fit.
 
Just my thoughts, thank you for your time.
  • @MaxGenPilotWhile it’s a nice idea, myself and a few others have talked about it in the past on these forums, and a major issue that was brought up is that it would be hard to make the drone face the right way. It has 240° of vision, which is good, but not the best with only a 30m scan distance, and so the scan is pretty dependent on the correct orientation of the drone.

    Another thing brought up was that having a constant moving scan is not the healthiest for the game. Crypto’s scan is balanced by the fact that it has to sit in one spot and risk being destroyed. Respawn is already working on nerfing scans in apex, as they have with Seer and Bloodhound, because to be honest it isn’t the best mechanic to have to play against.

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  • @MaxGenPilotWhile it’s a nice idea, myself and a few others have talked about it in the past on these forums, and a major issue that was brought up is that it would be hard to make the drone face the right way. It has 240° of vision, which is good, but not the best with only a 30m scan distance, and so the scan is pretty dependent on the correct orientation of the drone.

    Another thing brought up was that having a constant moving scan is not the healthiest for the game. Crypto’s scan is balanced by the fact that it has to sit in one spot and risk being destroyed. Respawn is already working on nerfing scans in apex, as they have with Seer and Bloodhound, because to be honest it isn’t the best mechanic to have to play against.

  • MaxGenPilot's avatar
    MaxGenPilot
    3 years ago
    @ThisIsYourMoment I appreciate the feedback, and those are all fair points that I had not considered.

    Reflecting on it a bit further, I certainly would not want this to be something that contributes further to a "scan meta" problem that is actively being improved upon.

    I guess what I'm ultimately saying is (broadly speaking), I wish his kit were just a bit easier to use while on the move in a rather fast-paced game - and that turning his drone into an orbiting UAV is more than likely not the way to do it.
  • @MaxGenPilot Thanks! I agree that Crypto definitely needs something to his kit to actually help him when engaged in a fight, since no part of his kit, not even the tactical, can really do that effectively. There has been a lot of discussion on Crypto on these forums that I’ve seen, at least since I first started posting on here, and a few posts made myself. It seems the collective Crypto maining community (all 12 of us haha) agrees that something needs work with his kit.

    I suggest scrolling through some past posts, there’s some interesting ideas that have been thrown around regarding changes to Crypto. Look for the ones with a lot of replies, those usually have the best and most detailed discussions. I actually recently posted a (kind of crazy) idea regarding Crypto just a few days back, if you’re interested, but I even more so suggest checking out other people’s posts. I’ve read some cool stuff out there regarding Crypto that I hadn’t really considered.

    If I have the time I might link some good ones I’ve seen, but it’d be a bit to find them all. I’ll let you know!
  • In my opinion, Crypto could benefit from one change in particular. Interestingly enough, this buff would not be an alteration within his kit but rather a change to the way his drone interacts with windows on all the maps. This interaction being the fact that crypto's drone can scan the other side while being on the opposite side of a window (a one-way scan mechanic). Although there are already some windows with which crypto's drone can already interact like this, an augmentation in the number of windows that can be scannable through the other side would benefit crypto IMMENSELY. I am writing this also because in the new Final Fantasy Update, they took crypto's ability to scan through windows in some areas of the map that were previously scannable in King's Canyon  (meaning that his drone scanned the player through the other side). I don't know if this is a bug (and indeed I hope it is) because a hindrance in his ability to provide useful info via a mechanic that is unique to him only takes away from his potential; they should be looking to up his potential instead.  

  • davkin09's avatar
    davkin09
    2 years ago

    My idea would be to decrease the time it takes going into and out of the drone once deployed.

    Although still pretty quick as it is. New crypto players could benefit from a faster response time through the animations. This can be used for quick repositioning of the drone and quick peeks at the surrounding area without taking too much time spent in the animations.

    But I like Crypto as is but always room for micro improvements.

  • Here's something that recently happened to me. I was near "The Cage" hiding behind a truck. The Valkyrie isn't shooting my feet. I toss my drone out in a much safer spot than I am at, perfectly covered by the back and wheels of the truck. Before my drone view even activates Valkyrie has destroyed my drone using a 30-30 from the Cage. When I move the distance and peak around the truck, she instantly headshots me and I retreat to charge shields. Perfect 100 damage every time. Purple shields. She did that 5 times, and got the drone 3 times. Eventually the ring was closing in and I had to book it. She and her Loba friend already booked it. I was solo in duos. I managed to make final 2 squads, it was myself vs rev and path, who took out the valk and loba. I EMP'd all 4 of them before they finished each other off.

    Path sniped me to 5HP, I recharged shields, heard rev falling so I pulled out arcstar and threw it, it hit him as he punched me off the edge of the platform, he followed then punched me once more into the firewall, which instantly killed me due to low health. My shields were roughly half at that point.
    My thing is
    A) How could she even see my drone through the truck? Let alone hit it?
    B) Can we please have a little bit of drone invulnerability when summoned? Instant demolition makes his entire kit useless.

  • Zulkiers's avatar
    Zulkiers
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    I also was hoping that one of his upgrade perk choices would have been ring consoles, at least for the drone.
    A) Ring console access. They already have that as a card.
    B) Ring console access, but only for the drone. Limits his recon when drone is out of action.
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