Solos needs to be added there is no question about it. You are truly robbing a large portion of your player base from being able to enjoy the game more fully. Its been over 2 years now and this is STILL the only major BR with no solos mode. Why? Do you not care about your player base? Do you not care that you will get more people to play this game? Do you not care that it will improve Apex as a whole outside of the solos mode also. Less selfish players in the team ques leaving matchmaking for teamminded players. Giving an option for people who don't want to play on a team all the time. The benefits greatly outweigh any reason not to add it....

@The7O2Guy "Its been over 2 years now and this is STILL the only major BR with no solos mode. Why?"Because Apex is the only major BR with a clear niche of team based characters. "You are truly robbing a large portion of your player base from being able to enjoy the game more fully."I wonder how popular/high in demand solos even is. Only because you get a couple of threads on this forum about it and some likes and "me too" clicks doesnt mean that Respawn is doing something wrong. I have even started to recognize the same usernames on these "pro solos"-threads.I think that IF solos was a permanent mode, some people would play it for sure, but after a couple of game, running around, looting and finally encounter another solo and maybe win, maybe lose, they would get tired of that and start jumping super hot just to get some action. So every solo match would be one huge hot drop in the beginning of the drop ship path where 70-80% of the entire lobby dies, followed with 10-15 minutes of a handful of survivors, spread out all over a huge first circle, trying to find someone to fight. After a while people would get tired of this and either start playing squads again or even quit playing the game.Thats just my "feeling" towards solos. I played it when it was a LTM and felt exactly what I said above.. And guess what? Respawn did actually release an official statement about Solos and said that player retention was the main problem with the mode and thats why they wont add it... Remember that Respawn have all the statistics; not we. If they say the mode was harmful for the game, I think its much smarter to believe that to be true, rather than speculating about a "hidden and evil Respawn conspiracy to deny players Solos even though its in super high demand" =)

We all know many of the various advantages and disadvantages about having Solo.BUT, it certainly would be great, so we don't have to rely on anyone but ourselves in the game, because we all know too how bad match making is in the game, and how bad playing with randoms can be.Regardless of all the various advantages and disadvantages, Solo would be great, so we can just do it alone, no one else standing in our way!

@The7O2GuySolo mode actually made squads much better with a lot less solo droppers and players leaving the match very early which is a problem only getting worse as time goes on.I'm not personally bothered about solos myself but if it improves the current mode i'm already in then i'm all for that and understand why people would just want to jump into an even 1v1 BR experience when the current format we have is atrocious for solo players. Given that we have very limited modes to play anyway then having more choice isn't necessarily a bad thing.The argument that legends aren't balanced for solos has been recently proven wrong with all the changes to abilities since solo was last introduced.You get the usual ''just find a squad'' excuse from those rejecting the idea but what about those that have a squad or family/friends that just aren't the same skill level? My little brother can't compete at all in my lobbies and i must currently drop him for those that can keep up or play solo squads with dead weights anyway thanks to the genius SBMM we currently have. If you don't want solo for yourself then that's fine but to not let others have a mode that won't effect you makes very little sense.Also, ''the data'' that it has a negative effect on player retention was only collected during the Iron Crown event which had people leaving the game or not playing as much due to other grievances completely unrelated to solos and if they rereleased the LTM and the data was the same then that argument would hold more weight but until then.. Nope.

@BalladalidilaIt's been shown how abilities are more equal in regards to solo mode compared to how they were back then balance wise at least, with a few exceptions. You could even do that yourself.How can they claim solo mode was the cause of lower player retention when the only time they had it implemented was when people were frustrated with the game and leaving in droves anyway. Without having it a second time to compare, the data is only being said to reinforce the point that they wanted to keep Apex a team based shooter before they introduced the LTM or if solos was popular. It's not part of their vision for the game, irrespective of what the community wants.It was pretty unanimous back then in discussions both with friends and on the forum that squads was in a much better state with the addition of solos. For you to say that's not the case would make you a small exception and the damage badge is hardly the the only or even main reason people leave when knocked.Edit: Keeping my post the same to cover the points you edited out.

@Balladalidila It has been shown in previous discussions. I don't have a link to provide you as i don't remember the thread but as i said, you can work it out yourself that most legends would have some or more or less even utility for them to compete in solos unlike before when less than a handful would be the go to and have a large advantage over others. If i see a positive impact in trios and people i discuss with have a noticeably positive impact (very active back then amongst more than just a few circles in Apex) and people come to the forums and other platforms online who also say they noticed a difference and the logic backs up that point then it doesn't take much to see how and why there was an improvement.I had much less than half of my matches with leavers back then with solos (around roughly 10-15% to hazard a guess but not exceeding 25%) to the vast majority (probably more than 90%) now. Unlike what you said in your previously removed post of ''most leavers only do so because of the damage badge'' or along those lines, which is a poor argument and doesn't even address the main cause of people leaving. This is also in contrast to your ''feeling'' that basically explains how squads plays out now anyway so surely some potential improvement is better than nothing?I wouldn't call it a random statement without any evidence either that people were leaving during those few weeks of IC. Just check anywhere online that Apex lost a lot of players during that event that cheesed off many more that did stay and understandably so. Frustration for Apex was high during that event and it had absolutely nothing to do with solos. In fact it was one of its only redeeming qualities. I can quite confidently say that. I don't need to be privy to any data or claim to speak for the community when basically everyone was saying the same thing. You provide ANY ''hard data or evidence'' that solos would have ANY negative effect on squads excluding que times now they left it so long and introduced duos since because i could find posts how it had a positive impact. Edit: I'm not searching for them as it would take up to much time but you can do that yourself too here on AHQ if you wish.Your reasoning is the kind that EA applies that prevents us getting server improvements and we get the usual ''lets go through some troubleshooting'' instead of addressing the actual problem.There's more than enough public data for that though.. 😛Lastly, yes i do think Respawn are incompetent but not because of how they interpret their data but the actions they take from it. They have a vision for this game and you and I how zero influence in how that will play out which is not how a healthy relationship is built (or should be) between community and developers. It's very much a get what you're given and be grateful for what you get.. This is also partially related to the IC event with only small improvements with communication from the devs since but after the backlash they received, i understand why.Don't forget they viewed IC as a huge success from their ''data'' because of player engagement and financial gains, which also speaks volumes.

When will Respawn finally listen?

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Balladalidila
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@The7O2Guy
"Its been over 2 years now and this is STILL the only major BR with no solos mode. Why?"
Because Apex is the only major BR with a clear niche of team based characters.
"You are truly robbing a large portion of your player base from being able to enjoy the game more fully."
I wonder how popular/high in demand solos even is. Only because you get a couple of threads on this forum about it and some likes and "me too" clicks doesnt mean that Respawn is doing something wrong. I have even started to recognize the same usernames on these "pro solos"-threads.
I think that IF solos was a permanent mode, some people would play it for sure, but after a couple of game, running around, looting and finally encounter another solo and maybe win, maybe lose, they would get tired of that and start jumping super hot just to get some action. So every solo match would be one huge hot drop in the beginning of the drop ship path where 70-80% of the entire lobby dies, followed with 10-15 minutes of a handful of survivors, spread out all over a huge first circle, trying to find someone to fight. After a while people would get tired of this and either start playing squads again or even quit playing the game.
Thats just my "feeling" towards solos. I played it when it was a LTM and felt exactly what I said above.. And guess what? Respawn did actually release an official statement about Solos and said that player retention was the main problem with the mode and thats why they wont add it... Remember that Respawn have all the statistics; not we. If they say the mode was harmful for the game, I think its much smarter to believe that to be true, rather than speculating about a "hidden and evil Respawn conspiracy to deny players Solos even though its in super high demand" =)
The7O2Guy
5 years ago
@Balladalidila
Yes there are a select couple characters that wouldn't be good in solos because of theit team abilities, but the majority of the characters can be played just as well in solos.
What you are describing about hot drops leading to big circles with no fighting, that happens in trios a lot currently and if thats not hurting the game then adding solos with that happening won't do it either.
I personally know a couple of people who have quit the game because of the no solos option and adding solos would greatly improve the team based games as well. Do you play duos in a random que? How many times have you had your teammate drop by themselves and then leave you when they die, or die immediately and leave making you a solo anyway? Most of those players would move to solos.
Before crossplay, the arguement that was made that adding solos would hurt the game because que times would be longer was valid, but with crossplay I fail to see how adding a solos mode would hurt the game as a whole. Selfish players move to that que, players who don't play because there are no solos come back, and players that don't want to random que benefit. I do remember that statement but that was also before crossplay. The solos LTM was thoroughly enjoyable, and I know I'm not alone in that sentiment.
E9ine_AC
Hero+
5 years ago
@The7O2Guy The solo mode did hurt the game and not even in que issues. It was not que issues they found to be troubling with it.
TheApexLegendNu
5 years ago
@E9ine_ACThey probably based their findings off of 2019 shadowfall event, that was the worst ‘’solos’’ game mode I have ever played in my life who in their right mind would give a team of shadows unlimited respawns to repeatedly skydive on to you over and over and over with death markers for your exact location... of course players were teaming together.... who wouldn’t in that situation? Everyone became teammates in the final 10 anyways so teaming wasn’t even a big issue in that mode its not like it was a real battle royale mode
Everytime I tried to fight any other player on that mode I would instantly be punished by a hoard of skydiving shadows to punch the crap out of me so I ended up mostly camping above a door next to the dropship just to have a chance to escape... thats NOT what we want when we ask for solos we want the iron crown event where I personally only encountered one trio of gibralters teaming together which isn’t a problem considerring I drop solo in trios everyday whats the difference? Its still 1 v 2 or 1 v 3 so if teaming ever does happen on solos who cares just add a report option to report them its that simple
you all have to agree with me on one thing, wether you personally like solos or not you would not be forced to play it... if you would rather play with randoms like me dropping solo, rage quitting as soon as they are downed, etc that want to play solo but are being forced to be with other players than go ahead be miserable with randoms everyday but If solos was an option, even a no fill option, we would get what we want which would give you what you want... a group of randoms who actually WANT to play as a duo/trio together
Sometimes I actually enjoy playing with randoms and other times I just want to do my own thing and don’t care about winning the match, sadly Im not able to do my own thing without ruining the experience for other players and I do not blame myself I blame Respawn/EA for not giving us an option to be lone wolves
E9ine_AC
Hero+
5 years ago
@TheApexLegendNub Their info was based on the Solo LTM that was in earlier seasons. Halloween event played no part in the figures they seen well before that event was released.
TheApexLegendNu
5 years ago
@E9ine_ACThere also wasn’t much of a playerbase though especially on pc, now that crossplay is a thing and Nintendo switch is releasing soon there will be plenty of players to introduce more game modes in general and most legends have recieved a ton of buffs and nerfs since then so solos might be more balanced
E9ine_AC
Hero+
5 years ago
@TheApexLegendNub Not much of a player base??? This is when apex had the most players online than ever. There was anywhere from 10-50 million online during that time.
TheApexLegendNu
5 years ago
@E9ine_ACEvery game claims to have a certain amount of players but in reality that’s just how many have ever downloaded the game not who is actively playing at any given time
It used to take me 3+ minutes to load into a match but with crossplay its instant... there may of been millions of players but the majority of them were on console and not pc
E9ine_AC
Hero+
5 years ago
@TheApexLegendNub Considering this event was near the prime of the game i can almost with certainty say apex had more players online for this event it self during that time then you see today or would seen at the halloween event. I been here from season 0. I see the big difference in numbers.
Balladalidila
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@The7O2Guy
I am not really trying to argue whether or not solos would hurt the game or not since its impossible for me to say. "Hurting the game" are not my words; its Respawns explanation why they wont add solos as a permanent mode and they base it on their collected data from the Solo LTM, and the main reason was "player retention". I just tried to say that I could understand Respawns reasons for their motivation based on my own experience after the Solos LTM.
But I really understand that Apex much be a nightmare for people who wants to play like a team but for some reason cant or wont play with premades. I like to play solo when I just wanna frag and not care but I also have the luxury to pretty much ALWAYS have a premade team ready both for casual and ranked.