After 20 years of online FPS - why on Earth would you put in bunnyhopping?

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@halo572 wrote:

It is one of the worst mechanics any lamer can depend upon, yet most of the players in this are kangaroos again.

Game development meeting - So, shall we let them bunny hop?

Well it is 2019 and the evidence since 1999 is that it works, so yeah, let's go for it.

What about lean/crouch?

We'll hold that back for a future patch, don't want to overload the players all at once.

Yeah, I see your point, they have to adjust to the claymore spam and infinite grenade resupply spam in the next patch.

I can't wait to see their faces when we add in the tactical nuclear weapon perk.

Orsum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Titan fall 2 has double jumping,  but I wouldn't call it bunny hopping like you would see players do in quake 2 or overwatch.   Which I agree is kind of corny.    Constantly jumping around to move is what i'm talking about.  What is your definition of bunny hopping?

I think the double jumping in titanfall 2 is fine.  So is sliding and jumping.

Totally, 100% natural rubber.  Boing boing boing.

Looking forward to the invisibility shields in an upcoming patch.

Orsum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      What do you mean you can't see me but I can see you?  Orsum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slide-hoping is fine and it was fine in Titanfall 2.
The difference right now is that they removed the double-jump and wall running so keeping your momentum to execute it is no longer a skill factor, but simply a macro to bhop like creazy.
The macro functions the way all animation-canceling glitches do since launch in this game (Rapid PK, Melee-chain, Bhop, instant reloads on any weapon).

The issue is withing players being able to animation-cancell via external lines of code - or simply macroing the button sequence ino mouse wheel spin.
It's actually disgusting, where as in Unreal Tournament it was part of learning curve in this day and game it's just an exploit.

No. Bunny hopping is awesome. Movement based mechanics are awesome. Old school arena games are awesome. 

"BuT iT's NoT rEaLiStIc!"

It's a video game, realism is not necessary and actually unwanted in this game imo. It's not hard to do and it's very fun and rewarding if you'd stop being a stick in the mud and adopted the playstyle. 

Yeah needing to learn to combo 4 different actions (that actually make no sense, whatsoever) just to perform some basic game-mechanic exploit (yeah, bunnyhopping was never an intended feature) is beyond ridiculous. Of course, ppl just make macros for it (or just refuse to "learn" it, because it IS an exploit and it IS stupid). Hitting buttons in quick repeated succession is not a "skill" I will ever support tactical shooters. Leave that for Mortal Kombat. I myself am not spending 100 hours to perfect an exploit. If there's an action in game, it should have a button dedicated to do it, not require to press a 7 button combo to fire a fireball (yeah I'm not a fan of fighting games, and I don't want them to seep into all other games).

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@Villent_58 wrote:

Slide-hoping is fine and it was fine in Titanfall 2.
The difference right now is that they removed the double-jump and wall running so keeping your momentum to execute it is no longer a skill factor, but simply a macro to bhop like creazy.
The macro functions the way all animation-canceling glitches do since launch in this game (Rapid PK, Melee-chain, Bhop, instant reloads on any weapon).

The issue is withing players being able to animation-cancell via external lines of code - or simply macroing the button sequence ino mouse wheel spin.
It's actually disgusting, where as in Unreal Tournament it was part of learning curve in this day and game it's just an exploit.

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Oh I see so the OP is complaining about an exploit.  I have seen that.  The famous players is IP Man Legend.  Yes it needs to dealt with.

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@Biochemikas wrote:

Yeah needing to learn to combo 4 different actions (that actually make no sense, whatsoever) just to perform some basic game-mechanic exploit (yeah, bunnyhopping was never an intended feature) is beyond ridiculous. Of course, ppl just make macros for it (or just refuse to "learn" it, because it IS an exploit and it IS stupid). Hitting buttons in quick repeated succession is not a "skill" I will ever support tactical shooters. Leave that for Mortal Kombat. I myself am not spending 100 hours to perfect an exploit. If there's an action in game, it should have a button dedicated to do it, not require to press a 7 button combo to fire a fireball (yeah I'm not a fan of fighting games, and I don't want them to seep into all other games).

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It's not hard to do, like at all. Spend <10 minutes in the training grounds and you'll be doing it just fine. 

There are no 7 button combos or whatever you're talking about either. 

Hold crouch (to slide) + jump + a/d to strafe in the direction you're aiming. That is a total of, at any given moment, 3 buttons.

In this game you kinda have to hold w+a or w+d to make a full 180 but that's not even necessary. Lots of players already are comfortable with that from games like Counter Strike (it's known has HSW or half-sideways). It's a more "advanced" technique but in reality it's not any harder to do. 

It's not an exploit either. If they wanted to they could easily could have removed it before launch. The devs aren't dumb, they know that bhopping is a thing in the source engine. 

Also about the macros. I don't see any reason to have a macro for bhopping. What would you even make it do - spam jump? Totally unnecessary. I highly doubt many people do that as using mousewheel to jump is easy and effective enough. Space bar does just fine as well in this game. 

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@Biochemikas wrote:

Yeah needing to learn to combo 4 different actions (that actually make no sense, whatsoever) just to perform some basic game-mechanic exploit (yeah, bunnyhopping was never an intended feature) is beyond ridiculous. Of course, ppl just make macros for it (or just refuse to "learn" it, because it IS an exploit and it IS stupid). Hitting buttons in quick repeated succession is not a "skill" I will ever support tactical shooters. Leave that for Mortal Kombat. I myself am not spending 100 hours to perfect an exploit. If there's an action in game, it should have a button dedicated to do it, not require to press a 7 button combo to fire a fireball (yeah I'm not a fan of fighting games, and I don't want them to seep into all other games).

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It's not hard to do, like at all. Spend <10 minutes in the training grounds and you'll be doing it just fine. 

There are no 7 button combos or whatever you're talking about either. 

Hold crouch (to slide) + jump + a/d to strafe in the direction you're aiming. That is a total of, at any given moment, 3 buttons.

In this game you kinda have to hold w+a or w+d to make a full 180 but that's not even necessary. Lots of players already are comfortable with that from games like Counter Strike (it's known has HSW or half-sideways). It's a more "advanced" technique but in reality it's not any harder to do. 

It's not an exploit either. If they wanted to they could easily could have removed it before launch. The devs aren't dumb, they know that bhopping is a thing in the source engine. 

Also about the macros. I don't see any reason to have a macro for bhopping. What would you even make it do - spam jump? Totally unnecessary. I highly doubt many people do that as using mousewheel to jump is easy and effective enough. Space bar does just fine as well in this game. 

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The concern many have is when you are doing that and healing at the same time.  This defeats the purpose of having to slow down to heal for balance.  Do I care what the pro players say?  Absolutely not.   This guy mendokusaii is ranting on twitter right now  saying avg players are "dumb bots" and so crap at the game their opinion isn't worth anything.  And they shouldn't dumb down the came for casuals.   Quite the elitist attitude.   Thats exactly why quake died, while other games like cs survived.

IMO these pro players are paid to play w/e is popular game and its not good business sense to always cater to whatever they want.    Titanfall 2 has great movement and very high skill ceiling and noone played it.    But most people felt it was too hard to get into especially with players pwning them.  The matchmaker they have now is excellent and I'm still hoping for a titanfall 3.

And twitter pros  calling noob players bottom feeders lol.  I mean wow.  All things are built from the bottom up and all sports start with kids in the playground.  Throwing crap against the wall can be competitive if a community took it serious enough,  and paid athletes will play whatever they are told to!

Can they stop healing while sliding or jumping in apex?  That would be a good compromise.  But what about peacekeeper fast shot macros?  or continuous melee macros?    If bunny hopping has to go to get rid of them  I say so be it.   Sayonara.