For a small map, KC is a sniper’s heaven. Currently in Plat III battling against past masters and diamond players and everyone is playing more cautiously hence the long range meta is alive and well in these lobbies.- KC is still better now and more tolerable but it needs more changes.- We were in runoff and can even hear the fighting in containment which basically invites a third party.- The building designs are not tall enough to protect you from snipers unlike the buildings in Olympus and WE.- The desert between bunker and airbase is too barren. Plop a huge POI in the middle.- Too much “basins” in the map with not much cover. I’ve encircled these sniper galore areas wherein if you were caught in the middle, you won’t last long. It’s very frustrating getting tagged by a vantage then followed up by his teammate with a charge rifle. I do believe we’ll reach diamond in around a week or so but to get there, I’ll have to endure 100 sniper’s mark shots as a Gibby. Valk is still a must. I think a line up of Valk, Gibby and a Vantage works will in this map/split. We don’t really need a scan legend in this map since almost everyone is in the open. Just get a long range you can easily spot people because the houses have glass walls or those wooden houses that you can see through the holes.

This nicewigg guy, Mande and random internet dude called Timmy doesn’t seem to know what they’re saying or doing. /sThis is how KC plays in high plat+.Timmy https://youtu.be/bbFy7cynjEUMande https://youtu.be/S3Nly_mXWws

I hate landing or fighting on the desert side. Rule of thumb: if you see sand, don't go there. I can't wait until my buds have tired of landing at Relic, fighting one team and if luck is on our side, having time to even loot their boxes. Then spending the rest of the game running from the ring with no loot. I haven't played any ranked yet, but I can't imagine it's any less painful than the last time KC was up.

Even if snipers are good on KC, I think you are way better off with a Marksmanship weapon and a decent enough scope. But yeah, I've never liked KC and it's always been too small for many things.

@reconzero OK well cheese is playing in lobbies like that. To get that far you have to know how to rotate. Or be in a 3 stack of slayers but even those people wise up when you have to get to top 5 just to get positive points.So the teams that drop in those areas have huge advantage if they realize they have zone. You can't push because there are people at each spot.

@hayhorIf you're saying that one squad with one or two snipers can completely lock down one of those areas to the point where movement - leaving aside the push - is not possible... then I have to take you at your word, although that couldn't be less true for me when I play that map. So now I'm asking myself: is this "problem" real to the point that the map is really uncompetitive at higher levels of play, or are higher level players somehow more rigid and less creative in their ability or willingness to address the way maps play? I ask the question because I see the vast majority of players every single day who try to force the game to conform to their personal idea of how it should work, rather than adapting their own gameplay to the way the game actually does work. I assume this is an issue across all skill levels, especially when I see high-profile examples like the gold knock-down shield. This seems like that to me.

For a small map, KC is a sniper’s heaven

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Gabrielmojo26
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Asmodeus566 So you aren't getting Vantage Ult charge riffled by 3 stacks? Not sure about your Plat lobbies, but that's a regular basis thing for me in my Plat lobbies.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Gabrielmojo26

I guess what I really want to know is: are you saying there's no answer for the Vantage Ult 3 stack, or are you saying that implementing the answer is either too challenging or makes gameplay into something you don't like or that doesn't interest you?
Cheese9Man
3 years ago
Maybe I haven’t been clear that these are high plat lobbies and not your hotdrop henry pub games. Not only that, I’m in a 3 stack against other 3 stacks. There’s a big reason why this map hasn’t been used in the ALGS for 2 years now.

If the circle favors the east or north side of KC, the game feels less frustrating. The map is unbalanced. This is a map issue.
Gabrielmojo26
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@reconzero I’m saying, regardless of you learning the map for multiple seasons lol, in higher end Plat lobbies, with very good players, chances are you won’t be able to bob and weave your way out of these big open spaces with a good team having the jump on you as far as rotation. KC is a bad map for rank, not saying it’s not a fun map, but it’s horrible to go up against the current sniping rank meta.
Cheese9Man
3 years ago
This nicewigg guy, Mande and random internet dude called Timmy doesn’t seem to know what they’re saying or doing. /s
This is how KC plays in high plat+.
Timmy https://youtu.be/bbFy7cynjEU
Mande https://youtu.be/S3Nly_mXWws
Gabrielmojo26
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Cheese9Man They probably haven’t learned the map for seasons, and seasons.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Gabrielmojo26

So in higher-skilled lobbies Octane can't out-run the gunfire? Wraith can't teleport across the open expanses? Pathfinder's zipline is cancelled? Valk can't just fly her entire squad over the danger zone? Sorry, but I'm still getting the gold knock-down vibe here. lol.
swift07
3 years ago
The reason I'm not playing ranked this season is because of KC. There's so many open areas and people just posted up everywhere, it makes it difficult to rotate. Just a horrible map design imho for a BR.
swift07
3 years ago
@Cheese9Man Timmy's a huge CC and plays big tournaments.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Cheese9Man

Video one: team has bad map position and gets rinsed, makes a whiney video about it because it was long range gunplay for which they were unprepared.

Video two: was there even any gameplay examples of what Timmy was saying? What WAS Timmy saying? Ranked gameplay is hard? High-ranked gameplay is harder? He pointed out all the places where squads could have been (but weren't) and then acknowledged that when he said how hard it was to cope with all this he may have been exaggerating.

It keeps sounding as if sweats want close-range gameplay, but that isn't always what this game doles out. More so this season? Yes. But I'm sorry to say it: if you're a diamond/master/predator ranked player then your matches should be hard, and if you can't handle a change in meta then maybe, at least for this season, you get knocked down a tier or two. How is this not the nature of the game?

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