2 years ago

Its not just Apex Dieing its all FPS games

Its finally happening

All fps games are in decline negative growth

and its because of the lack of developer integrity and greed

We now play online FPS games in a culture where Smurfs and mainly cheaters are the pretend boogy man
They do token ban waves every once in a while and they hate doing it because 30% of the player base is cheating and these guys all have disposable income (Cheats aint cheap)
They spend money on cheats then they spend money on the game

Dev companies at the end of the day are a business multi million/billion dollar companies and they are all ran by the absolute worst people in the world, Shareholders.
Asking them too end rule breaking is literally like asking them too cut out a HUGE chunk of a games revenue..

It aint just Apex its all of them Apex, Rust, Fortnight, Tarkov, COD blah blah blah ALL OF THEM
Every single time you see them taking a step against the rule breaking community its just a white wash. They could deliver the killing blow too rule breakers tomorrow but they wont for the reason I have just explained too you.

But the chickens are coming home too roost!

You see most of us actually have integrity and we aint about too start cheating too compete because its literally the most base pathetic thing we can think of its literally dirty I couldn't look at myself in the mirror if your reading this and your a cheater whatever way your justifying it too yourself is nonsense your SKUM pure and simple!

As I said the chickens are coming home too roost and silent majority is beginning too get really sick of it.

Thus FPS as a genre is n negative growth and decline and this will continue until something concrete is done, maybe they will if it continues too decline maybe they will fix the cheating problem if it continues but don't kid yourself they will probably band aid it and let it drag on cos like I said cheaters have disposable income cheats aint cheap!

I started FPS games with Duke Nukem and UT99 25 years of loving this game type what I wouldn't give too have things go back too the way they were when it was fair and cheating was stupid easy too see and they were ground under heal instantly now its all ai assisted, or ESP impossible almost too see when watching.. the devs know exactly who's cheating tho they just don't care..

ide say from my personal experience the last 5-7 years is when its really took off, I mean really! 7 years it wisent anywhere near as bad but it was noticeable now the only way you don't see it is if your blind!

30% of the player base let that sink in boys and girls every 10 people you see in a FPS game 3 of them are cheating in some way!

I'm just done at this point its ruined I cant even remember the last time I played a game without some oxygen thief in there ruining it for everyone else in some way, be it smurfing, cheating whatever

Find a new genre bois its all down hill from here.

discussion

20 Replies

Airish85
2 years ago
Disagree on the part about FPS games dying. In my opinion its the PvP that has reached its limit. To be precise the players playing PvP have reached their limit.

Still some FPS PvP games will survive in the long run but Apex in its current state is not one of them. Main reason being that there is no PvE option in Apex. No cheaters, smurfs etc issues in PvE. To add PvE option and casual fun game modes is the key. For example Fortnite with its community created game modes etc will survive no problem. When OnlyUp was released, within days there was Fortnite OnlyUp mode which gained hundreads of thousands players immediately. Parkour game in FPS. Imagine that. How about trident racing mode for example? 🙌

You can imagine the turnover for these games by just looking at their collaborations. Apex had Post Malone themed event vs Fornite is about to have Eminem event. Fortnite had StarWars/Marvel/DC/Witcher/Naruto/Sporting stars/John Wick etc vs Apex had madeup recolor skin events. For Apex to survive and be able to compete with such effort they would need to go all in. Now its half butting and teasing with some semishooters modes in a game that has turned into more ability game. You cant have best of both worlds.

I too used to play UT & Duke back in the day. Jumped on to Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory with the improvement of internets speeds. Back in the day those were pure shooters. That was the beauty of it. If you look at Fortnite it has more pure shooter mechanics than Apex with its legend abilities. Having said that the building / edit / peak / edit / build / edit / peak gameplay is boring but once again they listened to the playerbase and brought in popular no-build modes.

Mechanics of Apex are the best in current FPS games. If only EA/Respawn were more creative with what they already have.
WTF_Huitzo
2 years ago
Lmao hyper copium , look at counter strike , this game will outlive all of us.

Apex tho , seem's like respawn is doing a dead game speedrun this year , guess they really want to provide us the worst possible ranked experience this year.
1ronKeys
2 years ago
Tbh I would be kinda glad.
Since online gaming came about I got bored of games real easy... every game was just another FPS. Halo, Gears, CoD, Apex, Rainbow etc etc.
It's just the same game in different aesthetics. (Essentially).
Would be good if people weren't just such clones. More variety. More open world stuff. Whatever. Just do something different.
But there is no match for beating another real human opponent. Beating the CPU doesn't have the same feel or worth.
Solo games are great when it's like a story or movie that you are apart of. Or a series. Detroit Become Human for example.
But yeah.
r1ggedgame
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
7.5 Mio players in The Finals Open Beta tells me otherwise ... thats similar to Apex starting in 2019.
Why should a genre die when there is Millions of potential customers ?
Arena FPS was the the thing of the early 2000, then the scenario shooters took the crown. After that it was the time of Battle Royal.
Who knows what the next thing will be like ... but it surely will attract the masses again.
People just love to point and click, that will never change.
hayhor
Hero
2 years ago
@I0Report0Smirfs Do you have data or links to data to back this up? Is it only PC and console shooters? It seems like the latest COD release sold a lot of copies and has been successful. I'm seeing kids playing lots of different shooters on mobile.

There are a lot of games that have release within the past few months that give other options.
buffett78
2 years ago
@I0Report0Smirfs its a part of getting old i guess... but problem is devs not plaing their own game is major factor... they are not passionate about it and it goes down hill.
I0Report0Smirfs
2 years ago
Console cheating in its current generation is confined too xim users etc
Pc is obviously different

I mean I could offer you a ton of links but I mean this is pretty much general knowledge at this point
Just google amount of people cheating in online FPS games that will lead you too everything you want.

There was a reddit post recently by an ex epic staff member whistleblowing on epics attitude towards cheating and the fact the spend a ton of money.
reconzero
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@1ronKeys

"But there is no match for beating another real human opponent. Beating the CPU doesn't have the same feel or worth."

After twenty+ years of shooters I can definitely say that I know what you mean. But I respectfully disagree. I hadn't played my second match of Halo 2 team slayer when I started asking myself the questions that I still ask today and that have ultimately ruined multiplayer gaming for me, and I suspect are beginning to ruin it for a lot of people.

"What did that guy just do that I wasn't doing to him, and yet I'm on the ground and he just waltzes away?"

"What kind of desperation caused matchmaking to put me and ____ in the same game together?"

"Why is every shooter designed with the kind of skill gap that actively encourages cheaters and says to the casual weekend gamer, 'Hey buddy, just run around for a while, the pros'll be along to deal with you soon enough.'"

The list goes on and on. The real point is this: when you say that beating a computer will never be as compelling as beating another person, I call that a lack of faith on your part, though an understandable one. Developers SHOULD currently be engaged in an arms race to develop the AI enemy that is indistinguishable from a real person. Why is this not the NEXT BIG THING in shooters? It should be. I'll say it here right now: the company that does this will be the next giant in gaming, gaming's version of Apple or Amazon. And I'm just some schlub playing games after work. If I can see this why can't they? Why aren't they doing something about it? Halo Infinite was supposed to be a huge step forward with AI, and it WAS a step forward though hardly a huge step.

We wait for the sunrise.
1ronKeys
2 years ago
Dunno how that'd work really.
A computer could just hit you with 100% accuracy 100% of the time.
If you make it not do that, then it's just a bit unreal.
How do you make it have the same flaw and ego in decision making and teamwork. I don't know. Maybe it's a lot easier than that.
But I feel like there will still be something distinctly unhuman about it.
And again, beating something that doesn't exist as opposed to your fellow man. Different feeling different meaning.
hayhor
Hero
2 years ago
@reconzero I do miss the original really good shooter stories. Like Halo 1 and Titanfall 2.