Low profile nerf is too much

People who support the nerfs to Wraith and Path, I have a question:

Are you happy with the current state of those characters or do you think they should continue to nerf them? 

I ask this because I want to gain insight into where people draw the line. How much is too much? Do you guys want them to take even more damage? 

And i have a question for you, how much happy you was, that you were winning a gun fight, you shouldn`t just because you were abusing a broken characters hitbox ?

The 2 only characters that can kill you with melee on landing when you pick a PK is Wraith and Pathfinder. And while Path hitbox(except for his non-existent head) is not a problem, his tactical is, and i expect he will get nerfed next. ;D But Wraith, oh man whatever nerf that broken characters get, its never going to be enough. Tho i think she is in a kinda good spot right now.

Her tactical is still OP, you just need a brain and actual skill to use it, not just brainlessly spam it, like it was before, same for her teleport, which is insanely OP. Her passive is always being one of the best ones.

And can you do the math ? 5% damage from 100 hp is just 5 hp. Its 10 hp out of 200 with full hp/armor. In exchange you are getting at least 50% of the bullets missing at you, just by picking her. So is the 5% more damage seems fair to u? Cause it does not to me.

And i still cant get people complaining about limb shots. Who in the blue hell are going to aim you at the limbs, explain me ? Its like zero to 1% difference.

Sorry but Naruto movement animation, insane small hitbox, best escape mechanism, insane ult and passive, but enough is enough.

Respawn are doing a great job trying to balance the legends. Buff is not always the right way, actually tuning down characters is the best way to keep the game in a good state, than actually make OP legends/abilities!

@Axs5626Sxa5001  Honestly I'm not even sure  pathfinder should have a low profile debuff to start with, he's not much different than revenant in terms of size. Yes he is much more mobile than most legends but he isn't by any means hard to kill. 

Wraith did deserve low profile undoubtedly, she basically becomes 2D when she crouches, again though i'm not sure a further enhancing the effects of low profile were really needed after both her tactical and ult took a hit.

I think its had a much bigger impact on lifeline and wattson though, i mean they at least tried to give a counter buff to lifeline with the blue bins....but since that extra compartment usually spits out syringes and white knockdown shields it's heavily underwhelming lol.

At the end of the day none of this matters, The reign of the gibby meta has begun. Respawn have pushed hard for this shift and that's not going to change any time soon.

You are talking nonsenses.
Pathfinder is twice as smaller compare to Gibby, as well as he have hitbox issue, that is like his head is nonexistent, which is a big +.

Should i even mention how much better he and Wraith are compare to the rest of the cast? Not to even mention he can even locate the zone, which is extremely useful if you play at high level.

Both Lifeline and Wattson are hard to hit as well. There is a plenty of videos where Pro players have a huge problem trying to hit the Lifeline even with PK at close distance, which speaks for itself. Wraith, Lifeline and Path are the smallest characters ING, while Wraith dominate in that department, the other 2 are also bad. Wattson animation is very weird and thats why she has the low-profile on her.

Lifeline is okay where she is it now, and still way better than a lot of the legends.

You can`t complain about nerfing Path and Wraith, cause they still are the best ING by far.

https://dreamteam.gg/apex/legends

This is from reddit, from u/arkan-agh

only Wraith , Wattson , Pathfinder , Gibby in every team . "Apex Legends Global Series Online Tournament"

Wraith, Pathfinder and Wattson can`t have anything to complain. Actually respawn is doing a good job tuning down certain characters. Actually this is not a nerf, so you totally throw off a character, they instead of that, are balancing this characters, that were abusively OP.

Wraith still have best Tactical, best passive and the best ultimate. You just actually needs skill to use it now. But at the right hand, they are still Number 1.

No other character have their hands on a tactical, that makes you a completely invulnerable to any damage, even zone damage and in the same time you can actually move and escape from tough situation. Only character as well that cannot be surprised by the enemies, because of her passive. And you can even use her tactical, during his ultimate.

So for god sake, spoiled kids, instead of actually crying for the best characters in the game, you should have actually look at the whole balancing picture at the game, and how much worst legends the game offer.

You can`t complain, where in the games are characters like Mirage and Octane.

Still top picks are:
Wraith
Path
Wattson

Lifeline

Gibby

Bangalore/Bloodhound

throw the rest in the mix with Octane/Mirage fighting for the last place.

@LordloshBang  First of all why so aggressive? Calm down. Insulting people for having a difference in opinion only weakens the point you're trying to put across.

Secondly, i don't actually use any of these legends that often, my opinions are based off my own personal experience of playing the game.

I agree that balancing was needed with all of the above, the issue was with how it was done. Increasing low profile by making legs receive body damage just felt like a pretty lackluster approach.

The problem for me mainly is the discrepancies between the various legends hit boxes. Some of them are extremely well refined, which mainly consist of the legends you listed. However the rest are a total mess as a whole. Lots of the other legends take damage from shots that aint actually connecting with their body, with the exceptions of caustic and bangalore.

For me tightening up the rest of the legends hit boxes would have been a much better way of creating a more balanced roster than just flinging nerfs around.

As for the beginning of the gibby meta i mentioned, we'll see more buffs before any significant nerf to him, just watch. 😉

There is a plenty of videos that explain what is wrong with Pathfinder and why he have low-profile. His hitbox is broken and you miss a lot of shots because of that, thats why he has that perks. Also he is the third smallest character ING.

Respawn won`t change the hitbox model, cause its a lot of work, but if they do, they need to do all of the hitboxes model the same, this is a perfect balance.

In a TF2 they have different hitboxes, and the characters have different HP pool.  There was like small ones with 100 and the huge one with a 300.

5% damage and the limb shots are not compensating, for having 3x time smaller hitbox and Naruto animation. At the end of the day the animation of your movement is the most important thing, and doesn`t matter if all legends are actually running at the same speed, when what you experience at the screen will be kinda different.

Again everyone who was been on the school knows, that hitting a smaller target is way harder, compare to bigger one, right ?

Sorry to say it but, Wraith and Path playerbase are toxic. They were abusing a broken characters from season 1, and were at the top, Respawn is trying to balance this characters and their playerbase start crying like mad, obviously don`t care about balance, tho they talk about balance. They are crying how Wraith is unplayable, which is a complete b.s. and a lie, and all can see the charts that she is still the best and most played character ING.

Also they are calling instead of nerfs, to buff the other legends, but what happen when Respawn buffed the totally useless Gibby ? Wraith and Path community started to cry and complain about him and throw in every balance discussion when you are talking how Path and Wraith as number 1 from day 1.

I never ever play Gibby and i would never ever play him, because of his s***** movement animation and hitbox, but even if he became the number 1 character i wouldn`t have a problem with that, because he sucked for so long. I wouldn`t have problem if they make Mirage or Octane or Bloodhound or Crypto or so on very strong and S tier for example, because they sucked for so long.

Why should Wraith and Path always be top 2 character? Where that is stated? Why they should always be meta? If you have a meta in the game, you got to constantly changed it.

But when Respawn is trying to do so, people like the OP and not only come to the scene.

You see me making 2327287382378 threads about Mirage and Octane being the worst 2 characters ? I like them and i main them, as well as Bangalore(which i think is in a perfect spot). And i don`t cry all over the place to buff them, tho they actually deserve this the most. They actually deserve to be top 2, because they sucked for that long. 

The way i see it 4 straight season Wraith and Path was top 2 choice, its time for a change.

And ability should stay balanced, so overbuffed other legends and not touching this 2, won`t be good for the game.

Tuning Wraith and Path down was and is the right choice, because its time to move on, and the balancing Respawning is doing, its actually a smart one, they don`t overnerf characters, they just tune them down to the rest of the fields. Tho at the moment Wraith and Path are still way better to the rest of the cast.

Next tuning down is for Pathfinder, his tactical actually have to be in the range of 20 to 25 secs. And he will be at the right place.

Then move on to fix the other legends, and you have a balance legends through the roster. And Wraith and Path would still be picked. because of their hitbox + their great abilities.

It’s official one of worst nerfs ever  completely ruin 3 characters. Had to park my pathfinder cause he’s unplayable   If I can’t find a replacement. I’ll just park this game.  And all I play is pathfinder. So thank you apex.