More than 70% of time I am being fried and one clipped.

@E9ine_ACIf you've spent that much time & developed that much skill, more power to you. As a casual player, I don't want to ever play against people that good because it isn't fun to have your @$$ handed to you repeatedly. I realize that BR's "one and done" formula is going to result in you getting jumped & totally destroyed occasionally, but how often it happens in Apex seems out of whack.
Fixing the SBMM is what Respawn should do. Legit skilled players can then duke it out with cheaters somewhere that I'm not involved, thank you.

I agree that there should be people who can do what you wrote, also 40 m is not quite the distance I am usually getting beamed from and get pissed for it.
What bothers me is the fact that 5+ out of 10 people in a diamond can do that and they even pull 3x flatline beam from 50-70m distance and when you spec them there is no and i mean no!!!! recoil on 3x scope.

And then videos like this are born https://youtu.be/F8_vqOo9dHw

The dude clearly says that you have to jitter, jiggle, circle a mouse 10+ times a second (depending on rounds per second) which is not an easy task, yet he shows that he sort of can pulls it of constantly even in-game with multiple enemies around.

I have tried these and indeed I agree that there is a basis for saying that recoil gets less noticeable if you disrupt "usual/expected" mouse movement, yet pulling this off every time + with cursor staying dead on target - what I am seeing when spectating people in the diamond lobby at the moment - well 10k hours or matches but I am not buying that.

My arm got numb after 2-5 min of trying, I am quite sure I am not 10 times as bad as people in lobbies and videos as well as that they are not playing 1 game in like 1h so they can recover...assumptions, yes, but I am just basing them from my experience. I have had ~5k games and 1000h by now in-game given I started playing just in March this year. Yet I come from FPS games which I played in the past for more than 3k hours, I have seen these dream-sellers in every one of them. Yet I am nowhere near the recoil control people are selling and pulling in-game. And I mean nowhere near...

Also what bothers me is that in all cases so far I had an experience where you ask an aimgod how to improve. Replies are:

• get a new mouse - ok did it, indeed it improved an aim
• get a bigger mousepad, clear more space on the table, adjust sensitivity - ok did it, indeed tracking became easier
• learn about angles and peak advantages, use highground - great, works like a charm
• learn weapons be it projectile speed, drop or lag when shooting - does the trick as well, aim gets better with particular weapons

Yet in the end, you still are ~50% off aimgods level. And you ask - man what else, I have done trainers, I warm up, I keep posture the same I have done all above and then at some point you start getting these "not so repeatable" or in my opinion credible suggestions like jiggling, jumping while playing games or tinfoil hat like suggestions which you rarely if at all can repeat and it does not improve your aim even not in a long run, after time investment.

If you @E9ine_AC can please show us your gameplay and that might be at least a video to compare vs above posted one and people might change their mind about what is possible and what is not, otherwise there is just these "pros" aka aimgods who are selling not only these techniques but also merch, subscriptions etc. which for me does not make this info too credible.

@E9ine_AC  so how about those vids with no recoil and stuff in-game with jittering technique? 🙂

Thought so :D talk the talk but does not walk the walk. Will add you then to the same list of dream/air sellers who post * on youtube and twitch...at least for now.

Will see who will post crazy accuracy video first your or me 😉

I am personally a fan of guns that do way more damage and this is the reason.  Logic is that a cheater has less chance to kill another skilled player if they have to dump a clip into you.  But it’s not like the honest persons gun is any better.

A cheater will cheat regardless.  A person with skill and a gun that does credible damage might get a shot off to put down the cheater, or a lower amount of shots necessary helps the higher skill player. 

And lower skill players get beaten anyway, regardless of the occasional lucky takedown.

/sales pitch