I used to play fps games on console for over 10 years, I stopped 2.5 years ago when I got a PC. When this game was new I saw clips and streams of console/controller players. I noticed no recoil on any of the guns and what looked like borderline aimbotting, I assumed because of the "aim assist". After playing Apex only on PC since launch, I decided to see just how strong "aim assist" is on console, since we have crossplay now. I was expecting the game to be very easy based on what I've seen in videos and spectating console players. So I plugged in my Xbox one, installed Apex, and played several games. It was beyond what I had expected. I keep typing "aim assist" and not aim assist, because it's not assisting you. It's literally doing the aiming for you, I have never felt like I was using aimbot till I tried Apex on console. Honeslty I consider this "aim assist" to be cheating. It's literally just an aimbot. This should not be allowed whatsoever, definitely not against PC players. It definitely shouldn't be allowed in the comp scene either. If I was spectating a console player I would report them for aimbotting. There is almost no difference between this "aim assist" and an aimbot. Something needs to be done about this. The other thing I noticed is how great the footstep audio was. Like TF? I was mad at how it actually worked all the time, it was annoying. On PC good luck hearing one footstep from an entire squad running on top of you. These console players get perfect footstep audio and aimbots? I don't want to play against these people they're literally cheating. I don't get how console players didn't want crossplay because "PC has aimbotters", like what are you talking about you start out with an aimbot. It's bad please fix it somehow, I don't care if you have to remove crossplay or "aim assist", just do something.

Thanks for pointing out just how bad I am that I can’t even hit my shots on console with the op aimbot. I am level 500 so not an inexperienced player. Any pc player that says they played with a controller and couldn’t miss is just lying or a very good mechanical player already. Here is my evidence that I don’t have an aimbot. My aim assist is not turned off because that would be stupid. Please explain how the controller aimed for me. Feel free to have a laugh at my expense. https://youtu.be/vU09iSKa-C8

@hayhor And it's amazing how the audio design in this AAA game isn't even dynamic, you can hear footsteps on your left but keep wondering if it's on the ground floor or 1st floor."I think it's on 1st floor, imma heal real quick." And then BOOM, they're on your left on the same floor all this time. Even drop-down doesn't even make sense cause all you hear was running steps.

@EThought113213 You clearly didnt play a lot of games.Footstep audio isnt even close to perfect. I died multiple times today to no footsteps. If respawned the next ring closing doesnt make a sound.Also aimbot and aim assist are quite different. Aimbot snaps onto targets. There are really good examples of it on youtube. Aim assist simply slows the aiming near the target. I am not arguing whether it should or shouldn't be allowed. PC players also have aim assist when using controller, tho turned down slightly as PC players have a huge advantage in fps.

@EThought113213Haha at you’re post as usual. Always makes me smile or chuckle at the very least...Only gun which comes closest to aimbot is R301 at no longer than 15-20m.Love PC ppl who keep saying ‘aim assist on console is aimbot’ while the console players keep rebutting that and point out the high DPI of mice which basically accurately lets you pinpoint each pixel on screen if you’re that good at keeping your mouse in check, while there’s NO WAY on console to get even close to doing that with the thumbstick so aim assist was brought in to basically Neo-in-the-matrix slow down the cursor for better and more consistently aiming and keep claiming aimbot/hax

@EThought113213I have the other way experience. I come from PC like 10+ years ago when the gaming peripherals weren’t nearly as advanced as they are now obviously and played some PvP games that required fast movement and precision. I found those games playing easier than playing console games where the same needed to happen.Aiming on console with Aim Assist works good for certain situations and in others it’s detrimental. Try shooting 1 person and another one steps halfway in front of your target and the guiding will try to focus on the new guy while you’re basically fighting to get your cursor on target... basically giving you another layer of recoil to deal with. Fighting from 50+m with auto rifle? Good luck.You can always turn off aim assist and see how you’ll fare, I can promise you, you won’t fare, you’ll get taken out by a lvl 1 new player with a mozambique most likely cause the aim is atrocious and ppl have to teach themselves how to play without aim assist.Even your own post needs to make you think about aim assist if it’s true. 0 for mouse. Why? Like I said, a mouse can pinpoint basically each pixel with a high amount of accuracy if you know your mouse and your settings.Controller on pc has less aim assist. Why? Dont know, why. Controller on console is closest to aimbot. Why? Well my thinking is without it they wouldn’t the same feeling that pc ppl get. Matches would be luck based or only the ppl who mastered non-aim assist would come out on top every single time. But that still doesn’t mean it’s near aimbot that keeps it centered on the target. And is the 1.0 value measured in 1000 percentiles or 100, like in math where 1.0 can be just 1, or 10, or 100 or 1000 depending on what the situation is. Cause if 0.6 is 600 out of 1000 or 60 out of 100, that is alot of argue-room for it not being close to aim bot...That is, if what you said is true obviously.

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hayhor
Hero
5 years ago
@EThought113213 You clearly didnt play a lot of games.

Footstep audio isnt even close to perfect. I died multiple times today to no footsteps. If respawned the next ring closing doesnt make a sound.

Also aimbot and aim assist are quite different. Aimbot snaps onto targets. There are really good examples of it on youtube. Aim assist simply slows the aiming near the target. I am not arguing whether it should or shouldn't be allowed. PC players also have aim assist when using controller, tho turned down slightly as PC players have a huge advantage in fps.
bosourd
5 years ago
@hayhor And it's amazing how the audio design in this AAA game isn't even dynamic, you can hear footsteps on your left but keep wondering if it's on the ground floor or 1st floor.

"I think it's on 1st floor, imma heal real quick." And then BOOM, they're on your left on the same floor all this time. Even drop-down doesn't even make sense cause all you hear was running steps.
Koochi-Q
5 years ago
@EThought113213Haha at you’re post as usual. Always makes me smile or chuckle at the very least...

Only gun which comes closest to aimbot is R301 at no longer than 15-20m.

Love PC ppl who keep saying ‘aim assist on console is aimbot’ while the console players keep rebutting that and point out the high DPI of mice which basically accurately lets you pinpoint each pixel on screen if you’re that good at keeping your mouse in check, while there’s NO WAY on console to get even close to doing that with the thumbstick so aim assist was brought in to basically Neo-in-the-matrix slow down the cursor for better and more consistently aiming and keep claiming aimbot/hax
EThought113213
5 years ago
@hayhor

There is a line in the game files that determines the strength of aim assist. 0 being mouse, 0.4 is for controller on PC, 0.6 is on console, and 1 is literal aimbot. So aim assist is just a "turned down" aimbot. There are several kinds of aimbots, the snapping kind you speak of, ones that don't lock unless you have LOS, You even have some with a kind of soft lock, it won't snap to the target but it's not going to let go, so basically what aim assist is but to a slightly stronger degree. So if you had 0.7 or 0.8 you would have that, even 0.6 could be considered an aimbot. If I saw that on PC, that'd be a quick report if they weren't console players.

The gap between aim assist and aimbot is really not that big.

As for the audio, you can't go one game on PC without it being basically useless. You get no circle audio after respawning? Honeslty I wish that no circle audio was a feature you could enable. It's just useless clutter to me, I have a countdown and a mini map.
EThought113213
5 years ago
@Koochi-Q I do try 🙂

I've played tons of fps games on console and only in Apex did I feel that the aim assist was so strong that it is cheating.

Honeslty I feel everyone should use the same thing, either all mouse and keyboard or all controller. Mixing the 2 together in fps games has never been a good idea. I don't care you have aim assist that is wayyy to strong imo, I just don't want it in my games.
Koochi-Q
5 years ago
@EThought113213I have the other way experience. I come from PC like 10+ years ago when the gaming peripherals weren’t nearly as advanced as they are now obviously and played some PvP games that required fast movement and precision. I found those games playing easier than playing console games where the same needed to happen.

Aiming on console with Aim Assist works good for certain situations and in others it’s detrimental. Try shooting 1 person and another one steps halfway in front of your target and the guiding will try to focus on the new guy while you’re basically fighting to get your cursor on target... basically giving you another layer of recoil to deal with. Fighting from 50+m with auto rifle? Good luck.

You can always turn off aim assist and see how you’ll fare, I can promise you, you won’t fare, you’ll get taken out by a lvl 1 new player with a mozambique most likely cause the aim is atrocious and ppl have to teach themselves how to play without aim assist.

Even your own post needs to make you think about aim assist if it’s true. 0 for mouse. Why? Like I said, a mouse can pinpoint basically each pixel with a high amount of accuracy if you know your mouse and your settings.

Controller on pc has less aim assist. Why? Dont know, why. Controller on console is closest to aimbot. Why? Well my thinking is without it they wouldn’t the same feeling that pc ppl get. Matches would be luck based or only the ppl who mastered non-aim assist would come out on top every single time. But that still doesn’t mean it’s near aimbot that keeps it centered on the target. And is the 1.0 value measured in 1000 percentiles or 100, like in math where 1.0 can be just 1, or 10, or 100 or 1000 depending on what the situation is. Cause if 0.6 is 600 out of 1000 or 60 out of 100, that is alot of argue-room for it not being close to aim bot...

That is, if what you said is true obviously.
DarthValtrex
Hero (Retired)
5 years ago
@EThought113213Play in a PC Lobby on your console and come complain.. I've tried and I get melted every single time I do. It's not even remotely close to competitive.

You should see how many times I've died because of a downed player pulling my aim slightly off target. It's not nearly what you're claiming. It pulls my gun off target just enough to hit the knock down shield. Then there is the good old 2vs1, you're lasering someone and their buddy steps in pulling your gun off the target you almost dropped. It ultimately gets you killed because instead of dropping 1 player and focusing on dealing wht next. You've partially damaged 2 and still have 2 guns shooting at you.
maximas1986
5 years ago
@Koochi-Q I couldn't say it better but I would like to add a few things, If you @EThought113213 felt that it's very easy and as you said (legal aimbot ) then why you don't just play on console and become the god of Apex
another thing, PC players really don't get how this thing works, aim assist as Koochi said is completely useless after 10 meters and within the 10 meters if am not aiming at you it will NOT direct or drag my to you, I have to adjust my aim and be accurate for this thing to work and it will only slow down the aim, again SLOW DOWN the aim around your hitbox, so am already aiming at you correctly but aim assist is helping to maintain it but I should have a good aim and aim tracking skill for this thing to work which will only work within 10 meters.
console players can NOT turn as quick as pc players, it's very normal for pc player to have their look sensitivity up to 7 or 8 but you will not find any player doing that on console unless if that player is either using MNK on the console or he/she is a god.
just a couple of days I was chilling in pc lobbies (aim botting some pc players) 🙂 and one LL jumped in front of me and did 360 mid-air, of course, she did that because she panicked after I shot her, the point is that you will never see this sort of things on console
maximas1986
5 years ago
@Koochi-Q "Controller on pc has less aim assist. Why? Dont know, why. Controller on console is closest to aimbot. Why? Well my thinking is without it they wouldn’t the same"

by the way, am almost sure that once a console player joins a PC lobby then the aim assist is turned down, and not only that, the aim gets completely scrambled and not accurate even for a controller.
and when I say not accurate I mean literally not accurate
Koochi-Q
5 years ago
@maximas1986 Lolz so once you join PC lobby as a consoler you're put in an even greater disadvantage? NICE! :D That's good to know next time I join a pc buddy (which'll be never).

Already fighting ppl who in practice should have superior aim and then also less reliable 'lifeline' (pun intended, but you know I mean AA as a lifeline XD), that's just great. Thanks for the info