Re: Limit on free Apex Packs (forced to pay for loot boxes)

@SlivPTS 

I got two Overwatch keys for 25 EUR each. And that was 2 months after it was released. Look at the time played and the skins I have aquired today on both of them. So don't tell me what the price of a full price game is nowaday. I can give you many other such examples. I have never paid over 60 EUR for a game and I usually manage to buy a key for half that much.

@SlivPTS 

So because something disproves your words, it's nonsense?

Collector's editions are NOT what is called a "full price game". Your ignorance is not something you should be using in an argument in the future.

60 EUR games are full price games. Overwatch, Battlefield, DevilMayCry, Assassin's Creed, etc.

The special, deluxe, ultimate, collector's editions are beyond that. 

I will repeat the part that you seemingly missed in my previous message, but with a different example. I bought Battlefield 4 + Premium (CD Keys) for a total of 60 EUR, again about a month after they got released. I have unlocked almost everything in there and spent over 1000 hours in that game. I still play it from time to time, because it is an excellent shooter. 

In Apex, I couldn't even get a fraction of the unlockables for that money. It's frankly exraordinary to me how some people get screwed by a game and will still defend it against arguments which are clearly and objectively good. I am targeting you with that statement. 

I would rather pay a single, reasonable price and play the game normally, get a box at each level and be able to also use the ingame currency to unlock everything. The same way it is in Overwatch. While blizzard's game is bad and a total mess, they at least got the whole "lootbox" thing right. 

EA invented the "lootbox" and yet still haven't figured out a way to make them fair and lucrative at the same time.

@SlivPTS 

How about my Overwatch example? 60 EUR and over 150 skins so far, plus new maps, plus new characters. Stop trying to tap-dance around the facts. This monetization is not acceptable. Either make it so that people can earn things continueously by playing, or make it a normal paid game and then let me unlock everything.

I stand by my reasonable statement - this system is not satisfactory and definitely not well-made.

@SlivPTS Overwatch was 60 EUR on release. Second, how much they make is a matter of quality. If EA would offer decent servers, a fair monetization system - they would also make as much. A product will never improve if there are people who defend its flaws. Why should they improve if they think all is good and people are happy?!

CM Edit - Be nice. 

@Nino_Z

Ok, 60 euro + lootboxes and in-game purchases.
what's your point?
you still disagree that "full price game" is not 60$ anymore?

or now you are comparing 60 euro game with free-2-play game?

You are writing nonsense and i am "sucker"?
I am not defending anyone here and i wrote that i am not supporting current skin prices.

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@SlivPTS wrote:
@Nino_Z
So you ARE comparing 60 euro game with free-2-play game.
I wasn't defending Apex. All i wrote is that "Overwatch is not F2P to comapre with Apex" and i still think that 20-60 $ from every player is HUGE differnce.
Maybe you can provide better example? F2P BR game?

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I've been reading this conversation all morning... Y'all are entertaining. But @SlivPTS, I don't think you'll ever get it. His last reply summed it up perfectly.

If a $60 Triple A game gives you the ability to unlock everything in game (that's only $60 for all skins, all characters, etc.), then there's no reason a F2P game can't adopt a similar model. APEX becomes $60 after three skins, but there's a TON more to unlock after that. We're saying that games should have both methods - allow us to earn everything in game but buy them if we want to. As it sits, APEX gives you some stuff to buy but locks other stuff behind pay walls. It's very simple. 

@jonesy0218
Again...
He wrote "I'd rather pay a full price game..."

Apex for $60+?
This game would be dead within few months.

And i added "And if you didn't notice then "full price game" is not 60$ anymore."

He disagreed with me and from then i was arguing with him ONLY about "full price game" is not 60$ anymore, but he mixed everything together.

Again... I am NOT defending anyone.
And i wrote that i understand what he is trying to say and i agree that prices on skins are insane and that you get very small % of skins.

What solution you see? Sell skins for 3$? Option to buy "bundles" with skin sets?

Or one "mega" Battle Pass for 60$ where all content will be added, so you can unlock everything just by playing the game.

I’ve spent hundreds on this game at this point. I only have 1 legendary finisher. I have 1-2 legendary skins per character and a legendary skin on each weapon. I spend the money, because I have it and I enjoy the game, but I strongly disagree with the system they are using. There is no reason they can’t still give free apex packs after leveling. I’m level 350 or something but what’s the point in even leveling past 100 if there is no reward?? hell the emblem doesn’t even change. 

Overwatch has the best case scenario. Loot boxes after each level and other ways to earn loot boxes from special events etc.

Fortnite is a better system than apex. At least you can get cool items for just the price of a battle pass once per season, with a ton of content to work towards. I have a ton of high tier items and I barely play that game. 

@jonesy0218 

A correct assessment of the situation. That is my position as well. Let me pay a reasonable flat rate once, which will enable me to unlock everything within a reasonable timeframe.