Re: SBMM In Ranked Open to Litigation

@DoYaSeeMe 

I am kindly asking, do you play Apex?

I play at least a handfull of matches every day. And I can tell you the matchmaking is completely unfair. There is zero skill based match making. I don't care what the devs say. EA has engagement based match making in both fifa and madden. So you expect me to believe it is not in Apex?? 

I get the skill ceiling is very high. But EVERYONE I play is super sweaty, in masters and predator. Also most have over 10k kills on one character. I have under 4k career kills. I have never been out of platinum. My career kd is about 1.0. The bad players I come across are the random thirds I get on my team. Everyone writes me off and tells me Im lying when I say this. So I ask, would you like me to provide a chart and graph to give proof? The matchmaking feels completely rigged to me. Either that, or the only people left playing the game are sweaty lords. I play on NA West servers. A short session during the day, and a slightly longer one at night.

How do you explain this? Dumb bad luck. No way. It's every single game.

@Kateh8sapexand then what. how does a person who feels betrayed have a 1 kd when i dont and im as happy as a horse on the fly?

every hot drop every drop u get at least 1 down how is that possible?

@DoYaSeeMe

Actually, I absolutely agree with you that a strict EOMM system would be super hard to implement in Apex.

That being said, I still feel inclined to be open minded— especially when many people cite EOMM in other EA games. I just think it’s an interesting conversation to keep having.

Arguments supporting the existence of EOMM:
-Too much money to be made. EA is all about maximizing profits.

-Respawn (in regard to SBMM) has gone on record to say “our system is structured around not wanting players winning or losing too much”.

-Matchmaking isn’t random. SOMETHING is clearly governing who we play against.

-Other EA titles utilizing EOMM.

Arguments against EOMM:
-Respawn can’t get audio right. Respawn can’t launch an update without breaking another game component; these are the same people using a super complex algorithm to maximize engagement?

-They have outright told us EOMM doesn’t exist.

Answer me this then, if there is no player engagement matchmaking being implemented then what is the point of the sbmm algorithm being present in ranked modes. With a whole point system already in place there should be no need for additional matchmaking. Players will play ranked until they top out at whatever level they can succeed at or however good their team unit is. The only reason there would be any additional matchmaking on top of a system that already determines rank level based on performance is ding ding ding, player engagement. 

@DoYaSeeMe  wouldn't EOMM essentially create more diversity in difficulty on a match to match basis due to the fact its trying to balance out the whole w/l ratio to increase player engagement?

If my understanding of it is correct it doesn't feel like it's present in apex, for me anyway. As my matches are consistently difficult.

Can someone explain what's the difference between SBMM and EOMM?

@Cheese9ManSure.
SBMM - uses a formula based on your stats that gives you a skill score and then you are placed in a skill bracket (when in queue).

EOMM - looks at how you're going and makes it easier for you at times when you're going too low and harder when you're doing too well . Basically protects you from both withdrawal and overdose, so you end up staying addicted for longer (that's why it's considered unethical). EOMM works with other MMs, it's just that it can do exceptions on top of those, like taking you out of your skill bracket to make it better or worse for you.

Well, something was up this season. My winrate is usually set around 5-6% every season, this season however it has magically increased to just below 10%. I didn't become that much better between s8 and s9, that's for sure. I haven't changed anything on my end. Leave as many games as usual, soloQ Lifeline mostly, play largely the same guns. So either the game gave me easier enemies or better teammates, both not something I noticed though. Or low profile being gone had an influence, as you actually now have a (small) chance in 1v1'ing all the Gibby crutch players. Don't know, but my skill certainly didn't improve that much. I just think that such a relatively large shift in winrate seems a bit odd.

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@CCbathwater wrote:

as you actually now have a (small) chance in 1v1'ing all the Gibby crutch players. 

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As a Gibby main

@maximas1986Sounds boring. I go into every match wanting to win.

"What you complain about is the harsh SBMM that is currently in place. I'm not denying that the game became much harder, but expected this to happen the moment they announced Arenas. If your k/d is 1, SBMM seems to work pretty well for you, you're actually in the right lobbies it seems. But you're also unhappy, which is not good at all for engagement, so you are an example of EOMM not being present. You would feel better with your k/d at 2-3, right? well, for that you would actually require some form of engagement optimization and SBMM turned off, so that you would get into lower skill lobbies and decimate entire squads. No need for any numbers, it's just simple logic."

This is fundamentally not true. I am an above average player so if there was no matchmaking at all I am sure my K/D would easily be over a 2 probably around a 3. But currently I sit at a 1.5. That matchmaking is keeping me much closer to one than if there was no matchmaking true, and it does cause me frustration which is also true. However if I have invested the time to become a player capable of having a K/D of near 3 than obviously I have put thousands of hours into the game because I am a diehard apex player and am unlikely to quit playing because they make my Lobbies harder. On the other hand for every 3 kills I get other players have to die 3 times. Those players being far more casual and less experienced players are more likely to give up getting waxed by tryhards. Therefore the system is built so that tryhards are not allowed to stomp everyone every game they are in but still allowing them to win enough to keep them engaged when they begin to get frustrated. On the other hand which is more important is keeping the casual crowd and letting less skilled players experience wins and feel good about the game so they will come back. To me it seems to be working exactly as intended. I always like to use my gf as an example because she is a completely average player. She is not a tryhard and refuses to practice in shooting range or try a pro controller but she has played the game the vast majority of the days since it released. When the game is too hard for her she wants to quit forever but the game keeps her engaged by constantly putting he in low skilled lobbies when she is struggling. The same thing happens to me but because my skill level is so much higher the fluctuation in lobbies are not as drastic. There has ben tons of people that have proved sbmm alters your experience based on recent performance. There are countless youtube videos of people killing themselves on purpose for multiple games until the game puts them into easier lobbies so they can try for badges. 

Imagine saying with 2,5k Hours + that Eomm doesent exist in Apex and is to hard to implement... lmao ahahahahah u dumb???. Gatekeeping fanboy

Nvm its 2022 now and its proven in Cod, Fifa and Apex that Eomm is changing midgame your health, your hitbox (better aim = smaller bullets = need to be more precise), spawns, ping, audio and overwatches all your ingame activity + purchases to adjust to this changes.