Re: So Octane nerf huh?

@Daze623They're common enough to have one by 6 squads left. Not that it ever mattered when I can just w key into a bango's smoke. I mean, if you're smoking reactively, you're probably pinched pretty hard.

Horizon and Octane need to be brought down hard to the strength of the rest of the cast. I LIKE Bangalore. I think Bangalore is good for the game, as is her power level. We don't need anymore AoE ults like hers and gibby, but she's quite a reasonable character. Bangalore, current caustic, Wattson, good. (TBH, caustic and watty both need buffs, even if Horizon and the rest of the dominant cast got gutted).

Gunplay, not ape shenanigans, should define this game. They did it great for a few seasons but now it's just zoom. Horizon, Octane, and Blood are 3 crutch heroes that let golds escape into plat and plats escape into diamond. You mention Gibby. I think Gibby takes a lot of skill to use and he's just oppressive in the hands of an already good player. An idiot on Gibby is a dead Gibby.

@Daze623Yeah, she's a joke relative to Octane and Horizon, but I think that the game should be balanced around legends being a strong as her. Of course it isn't contradicting.

Gibby doesn't take skill as much as he is only good in the hands of a skilled player. Give gibby to an idiot and he'll just get perforated. But he's far too oppressive in the hands of the competent.

Yeah, people love spammy chaos. It's super fun stomping immobile legends when you're cranked a mile past them. Then everyone runs them. Then the game becomes miserable, unplayable, no brain spam. Totempad is a BLAST until everyone is totempadding.

There's a reason Titanfall didn't survive despite being loved by all. There's a reason Overwatch is at 20k on twitch. It's annoying, brainless spam. If it wasn't run by people who make the very worst decisions possible with regards to designing their game consistently, it'd still be right next to fortnite.

Catapulting yourself a country mile away on a 90 or whatever second cooldown or scaling entire buildings casually makes decisionmaking much cheaper, no?

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@Daze623 wrote:
@1234smile4321I understand Wattson but Bangalore really? Bangalore has one of the best escape mechanics in the game and is a solid legend without being too oppressive. She is far from a joke legend, you're probably thinking of Rampart and Fuse.

I'm not surprised that there are mobility based legends in this game after all this game was marketed as a hero shooter BR.

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She is bang average atm. She was at good spot, before they overbuffed some lgends.

Having the best escape mechanism? Really? This is entirely untrue. Her tactical is actually a good disengage ability, but there is a big difference between the two, you know?

Every average Pathfinder, Octane, Wraith, Bloodhound and even Horizon will catch you.

As far as her smoke in terms of fight, the situation is 50/50, cause you never know if the enemies doesn`t have DT, on top of that Bloodhound directly counter her, which is a complete joke. Horizon Q also counter it. Not to mention some people for some reason are using macros to see through the smoke, and still beaming you without problems.

Bangalore is pretty much useless in High Rank and in Competition.

She is only viable due to ShivFPS.

I also mains here, but she ain`t nothing special. Her hitbox is not hard to hit, her strafing animation is garbage level.

Tho i never really wanted to see her kit changed. But some legends are getting way too over the top, and while she is not touched by default she is getting worst, cause others are receiving buffs.

As far as Octane goes. I think he is okay. The only thing they should nerf or let me say redo is the healing. Its too fast. Bring his old passive, that was actually punishing if you spam his Q. Other than that he is okay.

I got almost 6k. with her, pretty much i get them in Season 4(second half), and the first part of Season 5, and then i`m just coming for a day or two to see how i`m doing(i`m grinding hard on Kovaak), but i pretty much stopped played seriously half at the Season 5, exactly at the lost Treasures update.
Just can`t take too much *****.

That being said i watch regularly some of the fair pro that are left, like ShivFPS, Hakis, and few others.

BTW i didn`t even knew her smoke was nerfed this season. It wasn`t intentional, but she is still f******.

But still i can tell you a thing or two for Bangalore.

And as i said she is useless in competition and in high ranked. She pretty much gave you nothing.

Smoke will actually hurt you more, than will give you a benefit for anything.

ShivFPS was playing some tournament with her, cause he refuse to switch, and there was moments were his smoke pretty much hurt him and his teammates, and diffq wasn`t happy about it. Tho diffq is an emotional diva, he was right in this situation.

I`m strictly talking about Competition. On High Ranked she is still useless.

On Pub, if you have good fundamentals on mechanical skills and good thinking and game sense, every legends is viable.

Now if you ask me, is she a Rampart level legend ? Definitely no. She is better. She is better than Fuse and Loba too for sure. Better than current Wattson as well.

As far as other legends, its depends how you look at it, straight as a 1vs1 or solo, or what she brings to the table both for you and for your team.

Cause if we take everything in the consideration, the rest of the legends(can`t say anything about current state of Caustic tho) are pretty much more useful than her, except for Mirage. But if you look at the solo department, he can quite easily trick you, and his ult can win you a fight or two, tho he brings nothing to the table, and in a team game, yeah she is definitely better than him without a doubt.

But the rest are just offering way better tools.

Gibraltar for example are just a superior version to her. He is doing everything she can do, but he can do it like 10x time better.

Better ult, better tactical, and probably better passive as well. Lifeline with her auto-revive brings a lot to the team, Horizon is busted all over. Crypto is bringing more to the table, and actually he was used quite a bit at the Competitive stage. Bloodhound is 100x time more useful and superior in everything.

And at one point Bangalore and Bloodhound was 100% on par, and right now he/she is so so much better than her.

Revenant pretty much shut you up, and his ultimate is super useful, if you know what you are doing, same as his passive, but most people don`t know how to play him. He was actually as well used quite a bit in the competitive stage.

Now he is being tested with Octane, and its a solid option.

Wraith is superior, an Wraith pretty much will get buff in the next patch, at least her LP will be gone, and probably buff to her tactical, and she will be at the top once again.

Pathfinder with no LP is better, and Octane is meta for a lot of players now.

I think i was quite clear with my previous post, and cover the joke part, which i didn`t use that word before describing Bangalore to be quite fair.

But its not that hard to read it, right?

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@Daze623 wrote:
@LordloshBangOr you know. You can just answer yes or no?

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Or you could read the comment and understand what i mean.

This is like asking me which car is better, and to show you one, without a explanation.

@Daze623 Eh sorry but nobody trust people when they do that yes or no thing. Probably worried about you defining his answer however you want even if you don't plan to. I wouldn't trust it either.

@Daze623She is very powerful imo but in a rank setting certainly not. Def with the new bang smoke change all because of switch being trash platform that cant handle real graphics but want place them in a graphic intense game.

Her ult you are very lucky if it actually hits people her smoke as i mention easily seen through at certain points of the smoke. Her passive is mainly only thing that makes her quite strong. That boost of speed is night and day difference on if they can survive or not. So with that being said I feel she is a joke legend that will never be viable till they rework her timers on things.

Daze623, i just don't get it. How old are you? I'm asking seriously.

I have explained it with a super long post, why Bangalore is not a viable option in Ranked, and in Competition, there is so much better option than her.

And again her smoke is a 50/50 thing. Its not an escape mechanism, forget about being the best one, as you trying to describe it, and then try to turn the attention from it ....
Most of the legends have better escape mechanism. Wraith for example, this is a solid one. With a bit of brain you pretty much have it all. Even if you being stuck with ARC, you simply Q it and will not die. You dodge pretty much every ult in the game, and in any damage coming. Its get speed boost, and if you know what you are doing, you will get away.

I don`t know why should i write the same thing over and over again.

Bangalore was a solid choice, and the middle ground as what a balanced legend is and should looks like, but that was at the beginning at S5. Since then they totally mess up the legends balance, mainly the abilities. The game is super ability dependent now and i just can`t like that.

While Apex have so good and unique mechanics and does so many things right, its also does so many things totally wrong.

And again in Pubs with a decent amount of spend time on a certain legend and a decent amount of mechanical skill and knowledge you can make every single legend viable and not being a joke "tier".

Lastly Bang ult and tactical are a dependable tools. Sometimes will work in your favor, sometimes not.

Easy thing to make her better, and this should have been in the game from the beginning is to entirely dodge her ult, not getting slowed or damage by her rocket.

Her smoke is a different story, but i don`t think Bloodhound, Crypto and so on should be able to see you with their abilities.

As i said tho i liked her the way she is it, but they should have balanced the rest of the cast towards her, but they totally messed up.