I said it and I meant it. It's really bad this season.Season 6 is the absolute pinnacle of the 3rd partying paradigm. If the goal of the adjustments was to somehow create an environment where 3rd partying isn't as easy or where the team being 3rd partied isn't at an automatic disadvantage then Respawn has definitely accomplished the opposite of that goal. In fact, its not even fair to call it 3rd partying anymore; it's an absolute cluster @#&$.Perfect example from tonight, my team and I started a fight at the cage, within less than a minute 3 other squads ran in on foot and 2 more dropped in from a nearby jumptower. There was no reasonable way to come out of that situation alive unless we were the last team to join in and mop it all up.I have played just about all the other BRs out there except the phone versions and I can tell you, at least from my own perspective, that I have never experienced 3rd partying to this degree with this level of frequency. I rarely can finish one team-fight without at least 2 other teams around to be hidden from while we try to heal up and get ready for the next one.I really feel that the use-time on healing items needs to be reduced globally. Players move too fast and we're all dying too quick to justify having the use-timer on these items remain the same as they were prior to the reduction in TTK. TBH, the whole game needs to be reworked at this point because you've spent multiple seasons tuning everything around the previous TTK and values.Or, you know, you could be sensible and just revert these changes instead of trying to spice things up by taking a dump on it.

Nothings changed at all, besides the time to fully heal if you didn't have batteries/medkits.Every player still has the same core health system, the only difference is we're all short 25hp lol.You were always at a disadvantage if you third partied in apex. That's why people did it then, no core change can counter that lol.I do agree with the final point though, shield replenishment is fine, its health items that take too long to use....i find it deeply annoying that a syringe takes longer to use than a shield cell.

@MandatoryIDtag I pretty much try to follow those principles when engaging in any fight but since I always solo queue I'm at the mercy of two other players making their own decisions.I can't count the amount of times someone has decided to rush when they should hold back and my options become narrowed down to: 1-Let them die on their own so they can cry in the mic or 2-Go die with them so they don't have a hissy-fit.

You should play a game with only 2 teams, not any Battle Royals that’s all there is to it.The point of a Battle Royal, if you haven’t noticed, is to have a lot of teams fight. Not line them up in a hallway to fight one at a time. There are plenty of games out there that are great and only have 2 teams I would check one out.

@xTomboyRespecterWhat does the lower TTK have to do with third partying? TTK could be double and I’d still third party people. They are damaged and at a disadvantage no matter the TTK.Cage is going to be a hot spot for third partying, depending where it’s located in the ring. It’s centrally located, it’s a cross section of the map. My friends and I avoid it, if we do go there we stay out of the tower in the center Because of third partying risk, unless we have a Wattson or a Caustic. A good wattson or caustic can buy you just enough time to heal. Lots of people avoid bunker now for similar reasons. They rotate around it, even if it means taking damage from the storm. WE has its choke points where things get dicy real quick. For me that’s the fun, coming out of those fights on top with a stack of killsAll BR’s are going to have third partying to some degree. It’s the nature of the game, attack an enemy while they are at a disadvantage and eliminate them. Third partying can save your squad. If you’re losing the fight and a third party gets involved it can allow you the opportunity to pull back, regroup and fight on. It’s just part of a BR game dynamic. Sometimes that will play into your favor other times it won’t.How many times have you been poorly looted as a squad and third party someone? Come walking out of it with decked out guns and armor?!this isn’t some medieval battle in which the lords square up on the battle field and try to come to terms. I’ll take your gold helmet, barrel stabilizer 2 batteries and oh that Kraber! If you decline my offer it shall be death! Or if you swear allegiance to my squad, the one true king of this round, walk away from this battle field in the opposite direction I’ll give you gold backpack, purple helmet, purple heavy mag 2 phoenix kits and title! Decline these terms and it will be battle to the death!

You guys clearly aren't understanding me.I'm not saying there's anything wrong with 3rd partying; its the strategy in all BRs. What I'm saying is that there's something about season 6 that has brought 3rd partying to its pinnacle.Things have gone from "oh, look, there's another 1 or 2 squads here" to 5-6 squads showing up at any given fight.It's not about "lining up in a hallway" its more like we've been thrown inside a blender. Even on the occasion where my squad manages to come out of that situation alive it's already taken up so much time that the match is nearly done. and not being brain-damaged I tend to look at the most recent changes as the culprit for this since it wasn't this big of an issue until season 6.

Season 6 is the pinnacle of 3rd Partying

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KelRiever
6 years ago
You should play a game with only 2 teams, not any Battle Royals that’s all there is to it.
The point of a Battle Royal, if you haven’t noticed, is to have a lot of teams fight. Not line them up in a hallway to fight one at a time. There are plenty of games out there that are great and only have 2 teams I would check one out.
DarthValtrex
Hero (Retired)
6 years ago
@xTomboyRespecterWhat does the lower TTK have to do with third partying? TTK could be double and I’d still third party people. They are damaged and at a disadvantage no matter the TTK.

Cage is going to be a hot spot for third partying, depending where it’s located in the ring. It’s centrally located, it’s a cross section of the map. My friends and I avoid it, if we do go there we stay out of the tower in the center Because of third partying risk, unless we have a Wattson or a Caustic. A good wattson or caustic can buy you just enough time to heal. Lots of people avoid bunker now for similar reasons. They rotate around it, even if it means taking damage from the storm. WE has its choke points where things get dicy real quick. For me that’s the fun, coming out of those fights on top with a stack of kills

All BR’s are going to have third partying to some degree. It’s the nature of the game, attack an enemy while they are at a disadvantage and eliminate them. Third partying can save your squad. If you’re losing the fight and a third party gets involved it can allow you the opportunity to pull back, regroup and fight on. It’s just part of a BR game dynamic. Sometimes that will play into your favor other times it won’t.

How many times have you been poorly looted as a squad and third party someone? Come walking out of it with decked out guns and armor?!
this isn’t some medieval battle in which the lords square up on the battle field and try to come to terms. I’ll take your gold helmet, barrel stabilizer 2 batteries and oh that Kraber! If you decline my offer it shall be death! Or if you swear allegiance to my squad, the one true king of this round, walk away from this battle field in the opposite direction I’ll give you gold backpack, purple helmet, purple heavy mag 2 phoenix kits and title! Decline these terms and it will be battle to the death!
MandatoryIDtag
6 years ago
Nothings changed at all, besides the time to fully heal if you didn't have batteries/medkits.
Every player still has the same core health system, the only difference is we're all short 25hp lol.
You were always at a disadvantage if you third partied in apex. That's why people did it then, no core change can counter that lol.
I do agree with the final point though, shield replenishment is fine, its health items that take too long to use....i find it deeply annoying that a syringe takes longer to use than a shield cell.
xTomboyRespecte
6 years ago
You guys clearly aren't understanding me.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with 3rd partying; its the strategy in all BRs. What I'm saying is that there's something about season 6 that has brought 3rd partying to its pinnacle.
Things have gone from "oh, look, there's another 1 or 2 squads here" to 5-6 squads showing up at any given fight.
It's not about "lining up in a hallway" its more like we've been thrown inside a blender. Even on the occasion where my squad manages to come out of that situation alive it's already taken up so much time that the match is nearly done.

and not being brain-damaged I tend to look at the most recent changes as the culprit for this since it wasn't this big of an issue until season 6.
RustedYoda
6 years ago
@xTomboyRespecter Getting Insta 3rd partied sucks but theres nothing anyone can do to stop 3rd partying in a BR.
Also trust me 3rd partying has always been a issue, not only in s6, and in my personal experience, i havent had many insta 3ps and close to none 4th,5th,6th..... parties.
apostolateofDOO
6 years ago
@RustedYoda Being able to armour swap but not relying on worse (dead) players charging them for you to counter that 3rd party was helpful.

How i miss the days of dropping into thunderdome and grabbing a fully kitted weapon and purple armour to slaughter 5+ teams like scurrying rats in skulltown. Good times...
MandatoryIDtag
6 years ago
@xTomboyRespecter OK I get ya bud.
Perhaps its a shift in your sbmm experience thats caused this? I started noticing a huge rise in 3rd party scenarios back in s3. Since then it has been basically every fight. It's extremely rare that I get a squad vs squad experience now besides the final squads.
although for me personally my drop choices are also a key factor.
I think the general consensus is that 3rd partying has been exasperated by the underlying game issues combined with the reduced TTK this season which is what mainly makes them feel so savage combined to previous seasons also.
Do you think this could be a possibility for you?
xTomboyRespecte
6 years ago
@MandatoryIDtag you could be right. I have no capacity to see if sbmm has shifted for me but that's a possibility.
I also tend to end up with other players as JM and they all gravitate to hotdrops with 4 or 5 other squads landing around us.
Could just be luck of the draw and I've just had bad luck in s6.
Apostle made a good point about armors and armor swapping. Combine that with ttk and that could be another reason why 3rd partying feels so crazy.
MandatoryIDtag
6 years ago
@xTomboyRespecter Logically speaking, the better you perform the more heavily sbmm will kick you back to the curb by cranking your lobby difficulty...better players=much more intelligently channeled aggression.
Plus if you're hitting these hot drops you will literally always get third partied unless you remain fairly passive until the perfect moment to sweep up.
Little things like actually selecting your legend each game will minimise the odds of a random jumpmaster as the title favours players who physically select their character. Giving you the chance to pick a more favourable drop.
Avoid pushing too deep into fights if you know you're at risk of being 3rded and just generally bugging out if it gets too hairy a fight, all go a long way to reducing the 3rd party problem.
Wish I could give you a proper solution here, but advice is the best I can manage unfortunately. 😛
xTomboyRespecte
6 years ago
@MandatoryIDtag I pretty much try to follow those principles when engaging in any fight but since I always solo queue I'm at the mercy of two other players making their own decisions.
I can't count the amount of times someone has decided to rush when they should hold back and my options become narrowed down to: 1-Let them die on their own so they can cry in the mic or 2-Go die with them so they don't have a hissy-fit.