Suggestions to Improve Leaver Penalty

@DoYaSeeMeI like 2 and 4. Especially 2, like once someone pings their own banner and a player responds with "Can't do that" than by all means leave the game.

Also having x amount of leaves before it begins to affect you would be nice, not to many as people normally can only get a few matches in a day and having someone leave each match would not be fun.

I think it's fine as is, except I would add a timer after a banner has been picked up. There's no need to spectate teammates who don't want to revive you.

@jonesy0218I don't think I've had any teammate not wanting to revive me ( although yesterday someone promised to never revive me because I was playing with Crypto - but he died first, haha). Most frustrating quits happened on the way to the respawn beacon and many of them after I had to avoid other teams or to go to a beacon far away, as the safe one nearby was already used. Most of these rescue operations went beyond the 2 minute limit.

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@jonesy0218 wrote:

I think it's fine as is, except I would add a timer after a banner has been picked up. There's no need to spectate teammates who don't want to revive you.

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I has this today (forced to spectate a solo dropper) that was absolutely infuriating.

If I have a grudge against my teammates and have no plans to revive them, I generally don't bother taking the banners in the first place. So you can still leave when the timer expires.

Would take some next level grudge to risk taking banners and then intentionally not respawn. XD

Taking the banners and not reviving usually means that it's simply not possible. Also, from my experience, a good respawn after getting banners USUALLY takes more than 2 minutes, since the safe respawn beacon is more often than not very far from the place of engagement.

I really don't get ppl who seem to enjoy being killed upon respawn (those types keep pinging respawn beacon right next to where they died, gunshots all around).

I just don't understand the issue so many have with this penalty.

If you get downed, it's barely 60 seconds if not finished by a thirsty enemy.

It's another 60 second window for your teammates to get your banner.

What's 2 mins, at the most, going to change in your very busy lives when playing Apex?

Am I missing something here? If you get shot down, and you don't care to get re-spawned, nothing is forcing you to remain seated on your a$$ and wait it out....

If your team recovers your banner, the least you can do, regardless if they're good or not, is give them a chance to respawn you.

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@DoYaSeeMe wrote:

It's good that we finally have this in game, as the leavers really became a problem, but the current implementation is a bit rough, I'd say. Here are some improvements that could work:

1. The leave menu could have a teammate granting permission step, allowing a player to leave the match at any moment with no penalty if the other teammate(s) agree (player XYZ wants to leave the match, do you agree? Y/N).

2. The living teammates can use a special ping wheel option stating that they can't bring him back, granting the eliminated player permission to leave with no consequences if he doesn't have hope to be brought back nor the desire to spectate.

3. Game settings can add a leaver tolerance toggle: strict (penalty for leavers unless their respawn is not possible anymore / game or net issues occur), moderate ( 2 minutes of waiting time after which the eliminated player can leave with no penalty) and no constraints (player can leave at any moment with no penalty). The current setting would be displayed under the player's banner, as a heads-up.

4. Players could have 2-3 leaver permissions every 24 hours, immaculate monthly penalty record could reward an extra daily permission, for the entire duration of the current season, while accumulating more than 5-10 penalties taking away a daily permission.

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There be too much animosity with this implemetation though.

Let's say that your teammates are downed and your battling two players and they want to leave in the middle of that fight and your ignoring them because your in a battle. Then they start to get hostile over the mic, then you mute them and they start sending you messages. With all types of derogatory comments and obcenities, This would make the community even more frustrated and angry.

I think the Best approach to this is what @jonesy0218  Has stated, give us a timer for Respawning beacon and We as a community could move away from this issue as a whole and focus on other issues.

If people think this is too long of a wait time all of 3 min then. Hopefully Respawn can rewrite the program / script if possible and remove knockdowns and just give us a Death box and a respawn beacon timer.

To have permission to leave could be used as a very very toxic and entitled thing to implement and would do more harm then good IMO.

Well, I may have broken the record of holding a banner 🙂.

We landed in The Tree, and started looting and exploring the area. As there were no enemies nearby, i took the time to play with Crypto's drone a little. We only realized  that the next ring is pretty far, around Epicenter - Refinery areas, but the big surprise came when the ring actually started closing like 50m ahead of us, catching us all outside all of a sudden. My teammates had very few syringes and soon Lifeline dropped behind me, while Pathfinder dropped a few hundred meters in front of me. Luckily, I had a bit more meds, I reached Pathfinder to revive him then used the drone to get Lifeline's banner laying on her deathbox 210 m behind. When Pathfinder, I realized there's no chance for any of us to make it if I share my remaining meds with Path, so I had to let him die and kept running and opening crates along the way in hope to find more health. Somehow, I made it to Capitol City with 15 health left anda bout 20 seconds left of round 2, only to discover there were enemies left and the right, which, of course, started shooting at me. Ran like a chicken and escaped literally one shot away from death, then had to sneak past some crazy battles all the way to refinery, where I eventually found more syringes to my health back and an unscratched blue armor, then went for the last available beacon to finally respawn that poor and patient Lifeline. Needless to say that she got fried right before grabbing any armor or weapon, sending her player right back to the spectator seat to watch a few more painful minutes of me trying to scratch a full squad armed and armored to the teeth.

It was a pretty fun challenge to do all that running simulator to save the teammates and the match, but I'm sure Lifeline's player stayed mostly because of fearing the leaver penalty. He would've certainly left way sooner if given the opportunity. Thing is, we weren't that far from winning the game, which could've made a significant difference if this would've been a high rank match. I think the best solution for situations like this one would be for me to have the possibility to free that teammate from the burden of a penalty, allowing him to leave when he can't be brought back safely or letting him take the penalty if he doesn't care about ruining your game. The players still in the fight are more able to * the situation and take the appropriate actions than the game itself, that's why it's not OK how player penalty gets applied now.

I've just incurred a 20 minute penalty and I have to say I'm quite angry.

It's shocking to me that there is no fail-safe along the lines of "you still have teammates alive - are you sure you still want to quit?" or whatever.

The pop-up message when you're downed must be removed or changed significantly (when you're downed a pop-up instantly appears saying "awaiting recovery" accompanied by a sound).

I don't want to quit games, and never have. But, when I'm downed, and there's a 'ping' sound accompanied by a giant green message in the middle of my screen my instant reaction is to quit. I don't know why that is and I'm not going to speculate but it when it's combined with a penalty for leaving it becomes a major liability.

This stuff needs sorting out immediately before players starting getting long-term bans.