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drewblueeye333's avatar
4 years ago
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Unbelievable recoil

I just am very confused about people I see playing. It seems like over half of the people that I watch playing Apex after they kill me have no recoil whatsoever on Xbox. 

no don’t get me wrong, I completely understand how recoil works, I understand each gun has its own recoil pattern. What I don’t believe is that somebody can shoot any automatic gun and have zero movement up or down. Even with the 301, you’re going to have slight movement. It may be very small such as one or two pixels, oh but it is physically impossible to shoot every single time with any gun and have zero recoil unless you were using some kind of anti-recoil mod.

I have talked about this subject numerous times and I always get responses that I am supposedly not good, and they play more than ideal. Which I Think that maybe 5% of the players out there play more than I do. Because I play a lot…. 20.5k match’s so far, and have been playing since day one. 

I spend at least 20 minutes to an hour in the firing range every day before I play to warm up and practice my recoil control. No don’t get me wrong, my recoil is very accurate. But it still moves upper down a few pixels. 

but when I watch people on alpha YouTube, or streamers, or the majority of people that end up killing me, I will watch it in slow motion and their recoil does not move up or down at all. Just side to side. 

I understand about muscle memory, I understand recoil control, I understand practice. But what I’m saying is it’s physically impossible to do that every time you shoot with any gun  without using modifications.

this is more of a rant than a question. I just wish there was a way that they could ban Cronus, strike pack mods… etc. I see they’re not allowing them in competitions anymore which is fine but what about the people that actually enjoy playing this game but are getting run over by all the people out there that don’t want to put the time in and they just want to buy an anti-recoil mod and cheat?

  • I've started to spectate when I die and I'd say about 1 person on every team is using a No Recoil cheat/hack/script. A few use aimbots, but this no recoil thing is seriously out of hand. 2 teammates jitter and one has perfect stills with R-99's.

    I fear my constant reports will just get me flagged. But this problem has permeated the entire game.

    I finally got good aim myself, with some practice, and learned how to minimize recoil by "spazzing". However, when I see 0 pixel changes on Machine guns... on nearly every single team when I spectate, at the lowest possible public match (I never did ranked, so they're cheating like heck from the get-go).

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  • @drewblueeye333 There are people that use cheats. Also there is the whole jitter aiming that completely removes recoil. YouTube that sometime and you will laugh pretty hard.
    The thing to remember tho is there are always people that perfect things or can do things better than you.
  • RockDokRock's avatar
    RockDokRock
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    @hayhor Totally agree there are always players out there who are much better than you.  i'm just tried of getting matched against them.  SBMM doesn't really seem to have a level playing field.  I empathise with this guy big time as its' frustrating to get absolutely lasered at 200-300 yards by a 301, flatline or whatever.  Total BS.  You should not be able to instantly down an opponent at that kind of range.

    - DR

  • I've started to spectate when I die and I'd say about 1 person on every team is using a No Recoil cheat/hack/script. A few use aimbots, but this no recoil thing is seriously out of hand. 2 teammates jitter and one has perfect stills with R-99's.

    I fear my constant reports will just get me flagged. But this problem has permeated the entire game.

    I finally got good aim myself, with some practice, and learned how to minimize recoil by "spazzing". However, when I see 0 pixel changes on Machine guns... on nearly every single team when I spectate, at the lowest possible public match (I never did ranked, so they're cheating like heck from the get-go).

  • drewblueeye333's avatar
    drewblueeye333
    4 years ago

    You are 100% right. They need to somehow ban the people that are using anti-recoil mods before it completely ruins the game and people just stop playing all together except for these cheaters

  • SILVERisSORRY's avatar
    SILVERisSORRY
    4 years ago
    @drewblueeye333 Yes, EA/RESPAWN NEED’s to acknowledge this NO RECOIL issue on Console.

    It’s getting out of hand. These CHEATERS are the SCUM of the EARTH & should all be THROWN into n ACTIVE VOLCANO.🔥🌋🔥

    These CHEATERS will eventually drive AWAY all the legit players who are fed up with having to play against these hackers. CHEATERS/HACKERS are what KILL games like this, just look at Call of Duty, the majority of players got fed up and moved to other FPS games like APEX.

    I continue to SPECTATE & REPORT all players who I see using NO RECOIL hacks.
  • @drewblueeye333

    Don't believe in miracles and bs youtube and other media is selling you - if the game has an aim to introduce a recoil even if it is not completely random there just can't be cases where people execute recoil control to perfection. We are just not built like that to a) memorize numerous recoil patterns b) react under 10ms (or whatever each gun is firing a bullet) to counter the recoil

    No cursor movement = no-recoil macro. End of story.

    Try it yourself - if you don't believe in something, just go and try it yourself (as long as that thing is not life-threatening 🙂 ). You will get answers to your questions/doubts 100% of the time, just a matter of trying and analyzing results.

    Why there is such issue - I have two opinions here:

    1) Respawn just sucks by not banning those pixel-perfect hackers...probably because they would be forced to ban the whole "streamer / pro" community, as they clearly use it, haven't see a streamer that is not on no-recoil

    2) "human like" no recoil is probably impossible to detect. E.g. there are people who use not pixel-perfect macro but quite close to it and there you can only guess - whether a person really is "jittering" or doing some other type of move on a regular basis that cancels recoil or they just use a macro. Sure you might see the repetitive pattern if you would analyze their mouse inputs...but probably not always as playing on high DPI, not 100% clean/smooth mousepads, etc. introduce randomness as well = this type of reoil hack is in my opinion just impossible to detect.

    To sum up - banning people who are pixel-perfect be it skill (LOL yeah right, even if so they are just then too good for this game anyways) or macro would be a great improvement and I would assume not too hard to detect = just compare Y axis data over multiple frames and bang if they are constant over X shots = automatic ban.

    The rest = imperfect recoil hacks will stay as long as Respawn does not introduce completely random recoil that can't be cancelled (e.g. a rule to detect cursor position now = move it X pixels upon next shot no matter what) which will just not allow people to laser you from mid/mid-long distance or if they do that would be 100% obvious.