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NullEffective9's avatar
NullEffective9
3 years ago

Want to make Caustic relevant? Make his gas prevent gunfire

Proposal: if your Legend is caught in the gas, they're wheezing/malfunctioning too much to fire either weapon they're carrying.

I would rather that Legends that end up in his gas are unable to fire because they're too busy coughing, than lose health. I want both. But I know that something losing health is the whole point of "Caustic" since the word means eating away at something.

After his deployables became destroyable, his viability worsened. Being able to cordon off doors, cut off escape routes and punish players for entering a space he is controlling was greatly reduced. It's not to say that I don't agree with it. But at the same time, if a Legend gets caught in the gas, they should have to do more than just spray to stop the trap from going off. If a Legend gets out of the gas cloud, then they can destroy the gasbag, or someone on their squad can kill it while their teammate is still in the gas cloud.

Combo plays as a result of this:

Gibby and Caustic: Create a safe space on the battlefield with a dome and gasbag. Toss up the dome, shoot a gasbag, heal up accordingly.

Horizon and Caustic: Toss two ultimates into the same space, and now Legends cannot shoot the gravity well.

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  • Nasher355's avatar
    Nasher355
    Seasoned Veteran
    3 years ago
    @NullEffective9 If this happend caustic may see a 95% pick rate. Just remember if this is the way it worked you would also have to fight him. Those combos you mentioned are lose lose for their oppents with almost no counterplay which wouldn't be fun to play against.
  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero
    3 years ago
    @NullEffective9 As nasher mentioned that would be crazy OP. Worse than any ability in the game now.

    As a former caustic main and someone who still plays him in ltms I don't seem to have an issue with where he is at. If people push through your gas they slow and highlight allowing you to easily shoot them.

    Biggest issues I see with players using him: They throw barrels or try and equip and throw the ult when being shot. Or a wounded caustic runs into a room, tosses and barrel and then starts to heal, assuming the enemy won't push. If the enemy is healthy and decent at the game they will know how to do it so caustic has to be ready for that.
  • BigMacAttack8u's avatar
    BigMacAttack8u
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @hayhorWhile I do agree that we don’t need op forced weapon hiding in the game (even though that’s already coming in the shape of ballistic next season 🙄) I do think caustic definitely needs buffs. Also idk how you see enemies hiding in gas, it NEVER works for me. Caustic barrels need to be indestructible again, at this point catalyst is just Caustic premium. Having the traps be indestructible again would make it so there’s an actual difference in their abilities. I don’t know how they expect people to buy his prestige skin if they don’t buff him.

  • Asmodeus566's avatar
    Asmodeus566
    Hero+
    3 years ago

    @BigMacAttack8u "Also idk how you see enemies hiding in gas"

    Digital threat 1x or the big 4x-10x 😉 works for bangs smoke as well.

    I do agree the canisters need to be indestructible again. 

  • hayhor's avatar
    hayhor
    Hero
    3 years ago
    @BigMacAttack8u Catalyst needs nerfs, caustic doesn't need buffs. A catalyst enforced door should become destroyable with a gun, like a caustic trap. Her sludge should not cover as much area and should be more easily destroy able. Either that or it shouldn't slow AND damage.
  • BigMacAttack8u's avatar
    BigMacAttack8u
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @Asmodeus566I was referring to caustics nonexistent passive lol. I do love the 4x-10x tho!

    @hayhorI don’t think catalyst is op, when compared to Caustic yes, but compared to other legends… not so much.

  • NullEffective9's avatar
    NullEffective9
    3 years ago

    @Nasher355 A Caustic can navigate an enemy's Caustic gas without penalty, if that's what you mean. Aside that, I would be fully willing to fight another Caustic that has those abilities. The easy counters are:

    Shoot the base of the gasbag when it is idle. 

    Shoot the gasbag at greater than three meters away.

    Regarding his ultimate, effective use is very situational. The only time that it will see maximum use is within a confined space, and most fights are going to happen in open spaces. Other people's AoE ultimates, such as Bangalore's, Horizon's, Gibby's and even Fuse's to an extent are better at area of denial. If Caustic's ultimate is used to flush someone out of cover, they're going to leave that cover irrespective of being able to fire weapons or not.

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