The proposed change for 120s cooldown is a good one - for breakthrough. For conquest it makes no sense to have such a long cooldown.a 120 second cooldown on the Jet/NB/Attack heli means the enemy team gets two minutes to farm infantry without worrying about other aircraft contesting them. With more Hinds/Condors on the map after this update those vehicles are really going to farm and frustrate infantry.Many times the attack aircraft slots are taken by players who use jets just to ram or just to fly to an objective and jump out. Making these changes to conquest will basically make playing the game as a pilot useless.I would ask DICE what they see the role is for players who enjoy flying aircraft in this game?Are they supposed to roll the dice on getting an air vehicle, and when they eventually blow up, are they meant to wait two minutes to respawn? are they meant to just play infantry instead and then hope they can get another jet/heli later? Is the player who likes and is good at flying vehicles only expected to fly a vehicle once per match? I dont know what DICE's thoughts on this are. obviously they need to be balanced against infantry. But it feels like DICE has panicked in this recent change to basically just do anything to cater to infantry players who have no idea how much skill is involved in using aircraft and complain about dying to a heli without realizing that aircraft also fight other aircraft and keep infantry safe from enemy vehicles.

@SpudBugMaybe and if so it was too fast there too (despite the insta- vehicle-respawn servers).I would consider 2 minutes OK and taking out a tank would then have finally some impact.Overall, a good change in my book.And as far as your statement "a 120 second cooldown on the Jet/NB/Attack heli means the enemy team gets two minutes to farm infantry without worrying about other aircraft contesting them. " is concerned: Last time I played it was definitely NOT our helis that were killing the other helis as they were busy with their own kill streaks on the enemy infantry.As long as we have SOFLAM and M5 we as infantry can at least drive the enemy helis off.

the only people that don't like the cooldown or the m5/soflam TEAMWORK combo are vehicle mains who like to farm infantry. infantry players such as myself enjoy the change

@SpudBugWhat would be the point of using a SOFLAM otherwise? It has a short enough range to not make it overpowered (it makes it useless when it comes to jets though, so I would hope for a LONGER lock on range for jets). A M5 is (and definitely should be) a one hit kill for the Nightbird (I guess we agree on that 😉 ) when it is when fired without a lock on, so why should it do LESS damage otherwise?In any case, the problem for the Nightbirds is that:- we have too many players (no need go into that again, but 128 is simply too much an not fun) and- EVERYONE can equip AA weaponryOnce the player count is changed to 64 players, the maps get a bit smaller and we have the classes back, things will be much more controllable (and fun for both vehicle and infantry players).

@PsubondHit the nail on the head. They feel as if they are being punish for 2 minutes not being able to play. Then they spam the vehicle until its available. Pilots will tell you there are 64 stingers and tank drivers will tell you there are 64 rpg, spudbug says there is 100 aimed at him I like to play in vehicles too, but I'm not gonna waste my time not playing a game

@SpudBug It seems like a very good idea to me, I remember that the cooldown in BF4 was also high and I think nobody complained about that, the vehicles have to be for good pilots and not for just anyone, will you tell me that the use of the bolt requires skill? I remember that there were a lot of people crying when they half touched the 30mm cannon. Please if you're really good with vehicles you shouldn't cry about it.

120s cooldown on helis/attack vehicles should not be put in place in conquest

49 Replies

InsidiuZ
New Hotshot
4 years ago
@SpudBug It seems like a very good idea to me, I remember that the cooldown in BF4 was also high and I think nobody complained about that, the vehicles have to be for good pilots and not for just anyone, will you tell me that the use of the bolt requires skill? I remember that there were a lot of people crying when they half touched the 30mm cannon. Please if you're really good with vehicles you shouldn't cry about it.
spudbug
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@InsidiuZ The scout heli respawn time in BF4 Conquest was 60 seconds
BR-DuaneDibbley
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@SpudBug

Maybe and if so it was too fast there too (despite the insta- vehicle-respawn servers).
I would consider 2 minutes OK and taking out a tank would then have finally some impact.
Overall, a good change in my book.

And as far as your statement "a 120 second cooldown on the Jet/NB/Attack heli means the enemy team gets two minutes to farm infantry without worrying about other aircraft contesting them. " is concerned: Last time I played it was definitely NOT our helis that were killing the other helis as they were busy with their own kill streaks on the enemy infantry.
As long as we have SOFLAM and M5 we as infantry can at least drive the enemy helis off.
spudbug
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@DuaneDibbley M5 should not lock with the soflam and do one hit kills. thats so overpowered and crazy
BR-DuaneDibbley
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@SpudBug
What would be the point of using a SOFLAM otherwise? It has a short enough range to not make it overpowered (it makes it useless when it comes to jets though, so I would hope for a LONGER lock on range for jets). A M5 is (and definitely should be) a one hit kill for the Nightbird (I guess we agree on that 😉 ) when it is when fired without a lock on, so why should it do LESS damage otherwise?

In any case, the problem for the Nightbirds is that:

- we have too many players (no need go into that again, but 128 is simply too much an not fun) and
- EVERYONE can equip AA weaponry

Once the player count is changed to 64 players, the maps get a bit smaller and we have the classes back, things will be much more controllable (and fun for both vehicle and infantry players).
SithMetal71
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@SpudBug vehicle cooldown is broken anyway, counts down then nothing appears. Not enough vehicles on the battlefield.
GrizzGolf
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@InsidiuZ wrote:
@SpudBugIt seems like a very good idea to me, I remember that the cooldown in BF4 was also high and I think nobody complained about that, the vehicles have to be for good pilots and not for just anyone, will you tell me that the use of the bolt requires skill? I remember that there were a lot of people crying when they half touched the 30mm cannon. Please if you're really good with vehicles you shouldn't cry about it.
Im with you. I think its great
kregora
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@SpudBug One of the additional settings on our Friendly Fire enabled Classic BF4 servers was 400% vehicle respawn time. And in my opinion, that was a good way to set it up. So 2/3 vehicles double respawn time is something I like to experience first. But it seems to go in the right direction.
Psubond
Legend
4 years ago
the only people that don't like the cooldown or the m5/soflam TEAMWORK combo are vehicle mains who like to farm infantry. infantry players such as myself enjoy the change
TAW_Rinko
Seasoned Veteran
4 years ago
In my view, the key to solving the problem of attack vehicles being used as transports is to increase the availability of transports.
Straatford has mentioned, a couple of times, the team looking at whether they can restrict the call in ability to transport vehicles and rangers.
If that was implemented, and attack vehicles of all stripes can only be accessed at bases and select flags, a lot of issues get solved.