@Trokey66RNG inherently introduces a skill cap because its random ie. not controllable... There is absolutely no reason your bullets should not land on your reticle. I'm not saying guns should not have recoil, that would be stupid, but the gun its self should introduce that inaccuracy, not an RNG mechanic that makes your bullets not land on the point that you're aiming at...
if im aiming at a target and I have perfect recoil control so that my reticle stays on the exact same point the entire time im shooting, there is no reasonable reason that my bullets should be spread out in a random circle. period.
Its annoying and is not based in reality.
I also don't know why you think removing the RNG removes the need for trigger control...
Also, mitigating spread mechanics is still there, its just based on actual weapon recoil instead of RNG
I'm pretty much with Enders on this
@Trokey66Apart from range, non sighted in optics, or poor weapon maintenance, the is no reason your bullets should not be landing on your reticle.
I still don't see why you think having realistic recoil and removing RNG also removed the need for good trigger control. Burst firing a weapon still reduces gun recoil, but you should not have to do it due to an RNG mechanic.
You're right, If I see you first, and have better aim and recoil control then on top of gun mechanics am also in a better position than you, I should win the gunfight, I don't see what the issue with that is.
@A_al_K_pacino_AI agree with him to an extent, but this is also not what im arguing about. Your reticle should be locked to the center of your screen. what he doesn't realize is that the spread he like is still the same as the sight moving around, just instead that randomization is only seen in the bullet rather than in the sight placement on your screen. I hate this too. I think randomization should be completely removed all together, I don't care if its experienced in the sight or in the bullet, they're both crap.
I hope 2042 takes a note from Rainbow 6 siege by removing all RNG and make the control only based on the actual recoil of the gun, You still need a very large amount of skill, but there is no RNG.
technically, BFV's mechanic is a lot more realistic, but I would prefer that be left for games like squad or arma.
The majority of people here wouldn't recognize what realistic gun handling mechanics were if they were firing a real gun.
While maintaining control of recoil is easier to learn and manage than luck based spread mechanics, it puts the onus entirely on the player to excel at the situation they are in. If the player misses their shots, that's entirely on them; they are the reason they missed, not an unpredictable random number generator.
With RNG spread system, you can have two equally capable players, playing with the same equipment with equal efficiency and the outcome won't be decided by one player outplaying the other but rather because the game decided that one bullet from one player will hit it's target this time but one bullet from the other player won't.
Personally I consider any degree of randomness to be bad for gameplay as it removes player agency from the situation in which it is employed and leaves the results in the hands of a figurative roll of the dice. Great system for RPGs but not so much for PvP FPS.
@Trokey66yes i get that, which is why technically BF5 is more realistic because the randomization is introduced via the wobble in the sight instead of the trajectory of the bullet like in BF4.
But as such, I know that my bullet is going to hit exactly where im aiming.
BF5 at is base is a better mechanic, but its also annoying for your gun to not be locked to the center of your screen.
but even still, on a properly set up gun, your bullets should still hit the location your reticle was aiming at when you initially fired (technically I guess it would actually be where your reticle was as the bullet left the barrel, but my point stands).
BF4 seems to take a note from games like CS:GO while BFV seems to take notes from mill sims both games mechanics are to a much lesser extent than the examples i listed, neither are good solutions for a FPS game. Though if I had to choose one, I would absolutely choose BFV over BF4
