Update 3.2 Feedback - Gadgets

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@Straatford87 wrote:

Hey everyone,

 

We'd like to hear your feedback on several gameplay elements now that Update 3.2 is available for play.

 

Today we'll focus on Gadgets.

 

• What do you like?
• What do you dislike?
• Anything you'd like to see changed?

Drop your comments below.

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What do you like?

• Having an extra gadget due to the class gadget is handy, especially for Engineers.
• Assault still has access to C5 (I know others dislike this, and probably should be Engy only, but it is fun)
• That the gadgets are class restricted

What do you dislike?

• Prox Sensor as a gadget AND only for Recon (make it a throwable again, give to Recon and Assault)
• Lis locked out of most of the Engineer gadgets (HINT: just give her a shared cooldown with other shoulder-fired weapons)
• Med Pen limited to one (Recommendation: give it a 30-sec cooldown instead)
• Spawn Beacon limited spawns (destroy it based on time, now spawns, ie. 2 minutes)

Anything you'd like to see changed?

• Make Prox Sensor a throwable again, give to Assault and Recon
• Give Lis access to all Engineer gadgets, but make the shoulder-fired weapons share a cooldown with her G-84
• Change Med Pen to a cooldown-based gadget, versus a one-time use one (30 seconds? 1 minute?)
• Change Spawn Beacon to self-destruct in 2 minutes in instead of 4 spawns, or something along those lines. 

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@Straatford87 wrote:

Hey everyone,

 

We'd like to hear your feedback on several gameplay elements now that Update 3.2 is available for play.

 

Today we'll focus on Gadgets.

 

• What do you like?
• What do you dislike?
• Anything you'd like to see changed?

Drop your comments below.

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Like:  nothing about locked gadgets

Dislike: 

1. Lis can only use 40% of her class gadgets
2. Rao can't see when he designates a target with hack
3. boris and crawford have specialist gadgets that are useless against vehicles and marginal at best against infantry
4. Rao can't use FXM (what is the point of the hack to fight against stealth if Rao isn't a credible threat to helo?  window is too short for others to recognize and lock onto helo and have missile reach target before hack wears and flares are popped)
5. assault offeres nothing to the team, they can only help themselves

Changed:

1. make recon class gadget soflam, right now beacon is being used on a hillside 400m from objectives
2. make target designation like it used to be (everyone can see at all times) including when designation is from hack
3. make crawford and boris's specialist gadget useful against vehicles
4. move Rao to engineer class (the classes don't have to be even just for the sake of being even.  put people where they belong)
5. allow lis to choose which launcher she will have as her specialist gadget (with the same cooldown/recharge mechanic that the TGM has right now.  2 of any other kind of missile won't break the game.
6. move ammo box to assault and lock weapons to classes to give people an incentive to choose to be a medic, carry ammo, fight vehicles or...idk whatever it is that recon does (sit on a hillside and miss a lot?)

might edit this later but that's all i have time for right now

@Psubond You say that Assault contributes nothing to the team while asking for Rao to become a self-sufficient class that contributes nothing to the team. You want him to be in a solo class that requires no help or contributes anything

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@UP_LordPlumber wrote:

@PsubondYou say that Assault contributes nothing to the team while asking for Rao to become a self-sufficient class that contributes nothing to the team. You want him to be in a solo class that requires no help or contributes anything

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how long do you think 3 missiles last?  and how well does that hack work on a mav when it is full and rolls up on an objective (hint pretty well because it lets others use c5 without getting nailed with flak cannon and allows others to lock onto the vehicle)?  or when the condor/hind hover over an objective.  Rao contributes by stopping the transports from sitting on an objective and allows others to lock onto them aka contributes to the team.  what does assault bring?

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@UP_LordPlumber wrote:
@PsubondSo Rao contributes by allowing others to lock onto transports, therefore, preventing it from camping the objectives. How does putting Rao into engineer changes things? Rao is already good enough when it comes to "Team contribution"

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EDIT:  oooh, i see the issue here, you fly the stealth a lot and you want to protect it (checked your tracker page)

negative.   two separate issues. 

stealth helos are broken and the only one who can chase them off and provide a credible threat is rao.  two separate issues.  there is no reason for a stealth to hide when hacked if he pops flares because he will have a firewall and can just kill rao while the firewall is up with cannons then go back into stealth mode when cooldown is reset.

 there has to be a REASON for the stealth to need to run.  no one can see that the helo is hacked and designated unless they have a missile in hand and even if they do then many times there isn't enough time to engage the helo before flares are up again.

oh, and before you go there, hitting a stealth with lis is blind luck unless the helo is just hovering and doesn't jink when the missile is coming in

What do I like -

Gadget being restricted to classes, extra gadget due to the changes, repair tool for engineer, defib for support (although this was already as it was prepatch), med pen works well, increased damage from rocket launchers, most of the gadgets make sense for the available classes. Very big thumbs up to the changes in general.

what  do I dislike -

Boris and Crawford need their specialist gadgets to be buffed somewhat, maybe make Boris's turret target enemies quicker, and make Crawford's gun emplacement more accurate and harder to be shot when behind the shield.

I'd prefer prox sensor to be a throwable, possibly available to more classes, but if it is made available to more classes, provide a buff to recon - ie they can carry 3 prox sensors.

What would I like to see changed -

More gadgets - I made a list with a few suggestions in another thread.

Some ability to get ammo / gadget ammo when you are far away from support players - ie air drop ammo cache from vehicle call in menu (delays calling in other things, same as how calling in the ranger works).

Also some unlocks for vehicles - ie LATV, MAV, EBLC RAM, Wildcat, (possibly also the air transports) to drop ammo boxes / loadout crate - best if this is in a seat that doesn't have a second weapon available to use and not taking up a weapon  / gadget slot in a seat with much better options.

@Psubond
"You fly stealth a lot"

I have almost 50k total kills, of them 3k kills in both stealth helis combined. Only one of them is Tier 1.

You call that "a lot"?

Also, quick FYI - I'm the first person to call out how overpowered BS those helis are. I've said it countless times that even without experiecne I was able to go on a perfect 60 and 70/0 games. That doesn't mean you have to buff rao into a monster. You're forgetting that actual attack helis are mediocre at best. 

You're failing to see the bigger picture. Instead of buffing Rao, Dice had to precisely nerf problematic vehicles. If you buff Rao, all other vehicles get f*cked even harder than they are right now. 

There are a ton of easy ways to nerf stealth heli. Reduce bomb damage / count. Remove stealth when using any kind of weapons, bombs or other. Make switching between stealth / attach mode longer than 2 seconds. Or make stealth last a certain amount of time before it goes on cooldown