Netcode/HitReg and how it ruins DMRs (videos attached)

I respect the open stance. And yes i hope they make dmr's a more viable option, i played a bit with them in the alpha server stress test and they were actually a good option with the hollow points or ballistic tips, cant quite remember, made them feel more balanced. You could make follow up shots faster without losing much accuracy. I had fun with the m14 and svk. 

For the net code i have played with the full debug on and recorded any time i felt like something was wrong playing the beta but never saw instances where the server didn't count a hit where my client did, unless the enemy was already dead and in between my client getting that info i hit another shot so my client counts another hit but the server doesn't bc well the enemy is already dead. There is ofc a delay between client hit reg and server hit reg and when it's bigger than the fire rate it can further make it feel like there's bad hit reg(could go into details but this is already one foot in the rabbit hole). The inconsistent ttd was also due to an audio bug where you wouldn't hear the audio cue when you got shot for the first one or two bullets. BUT there are issues with some parts of the networking, not here to deny that, just that they aren't as bad and as many as most think.

The M14-EBR in game is a piece of garbage.  The M14-EBR in REAL LIFE is a piece of garbage, because I had been issued them.  So Dice's representation of the M14 is accurate.  That said, EA/Dice knows about net code issues, every one of their games have all had netcode issues.  No reason BF6 shouldn't have it's share.

Hey, THANK YOU ALL for replying and sharing your insights, I mean it. Because at the end of the day, we care less about whether it's netcode or bloom tuning, the end result we experience is that DMRs (and to some extent other guns too) can sometimes feel wildly useless. It is up to the devs to analyze and do something about it. Otherwise, the game risks of losing DMR pick-rate and lessens the dynamics in matches that the BF series is known for.

While I retain my stance that netcode is still an issue in this game (perhaps less demonstrated in my videos, but I encourage you to turn on debug and see the diff between client vs server hits, or just how netcode can cause inconsistent TTD), I admit bloom could be the bigger factor and likely an easier fix for DMRs to be more usable, than to lump into the rabbit hole that is netcode.

We must have watched different videos because this is a crystal clear example of bad hit detection. Are some shots missing because of ridiculous bloom? Sure but it doesn't explain why every shot simply isn't registering. Some of the bullets are passing through the enemies and hitting the terrain behind them. It happens on every gun, even shotguns at point blank range. Stop trying to act smart when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Hit reg is a major problem in this game.

Yes, that helps but bullet spread is still an issue. Easier to go for body shots to ensure you get hits. The further away or smaller the target is the harder is to mitigate that randomness as the spread of shots don't land on the same spot. For a gun that relies on accuracy to not hit dead center even after standing still and allowing the recoil to finish, its too detrimental in comparison to other guns that shouldn't be able to do that but can.

Agree not a net code issue

Oh there's an issue, i can see that but its not the netcode, its mostly the insane bloom that dmr's(and other guns to a lesser extent) have and you can learn how to mitigate it but for dmr's it makes them rather useless even if you do, i know this bc i learned how to make the bullets hit, you have to stay still, cant flick shot so steady aim on target and you have to wait after each shot for the gun to settle otherwise the bullets will just fly all over the place. Its stupid and i rather have dice fix/rebalance THAT than chase some minor netcode issues that may or may not exist bc people dont have the eyesight to see that they are missing shots despite having the reticle on the enemy and not realising that, thats just how the game is designed. thinking oh must be bad hit reg is the biggest cope, there is video evidence that you can pause and see that the bullets miss their intended target, Steeve even made it easy for you and posted screenshots but you chose to ignore the evidence and still blame the hit reg, who's the clown here?

I think the bloom on DMRs (at least on the SVK) might be too high, noticed a similar issue. Bad hit reg might be exacerbating the problem. Will upload some clips later.

Agreed, DMR bullet spread is the worst for a gun that should counter snipers. The scopes are complex so it took me a while to realize that I wasn't missing but rather the bullet wouldn't hit the reticle directly (its random, can't make up for it with skill). Personally I find the recoil on DMR too much, needs to be tone down. Tried the laser attachment and its pointless it just gives your position away (bullet spread issue again)

Yes I agree DMR have issues, even as a sniper i find them to be a gamble for my enemies to play with. Needs to be fixed

Nah, you're trolling if you can't see an issue with this. Some of those shots were center mass at close range and still not a single hit marker?! You take those same shots with any other gun, I mean literally any other gun even the sniper and youre getting hit markers at the very least. In the second video he's not moving at all and the shots were all on point but still not a single hit. Not even the first shot.  There's no other explanation, it's bad hit detection. To pin that on him like he's doing something wrong is just straight up clown behavior. 

I noticed a serious difference in DMRs in the Battlefield 6 Beta compared to all other BFs. DMRs have always been on of my favourite guns to use and I'm normally pretty good with them being able to take on snipers. In the beta I took on snipers but hardly ever had any hit markers - all the shots I was sending down range just seemed to miss. There seemed to be something off with the optics but they also really ramped up the recoil in between shots. I noticed they introduced a steady button for DMRs which I find really disappointing. If that's there to stay it looks like I'll no longer be able to take on snipers! :(