Recon - Sniper
I've been playing FPS games for 15 years, and I've never seen such a weak Reccon sniper as in Battlefield.
I have a level 40 mini-scout, I use 20-point bullets, the damage is high, I swear it hits ...
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- So what? In other words, nothing I said was factually incorrect and your answer does not disprove my point. The top spots should be occupied by sniper rifles alone, not some LMG’s or a DMR’s. Also having to land more hits for reg guns is offset by a much higher fire rate and much larger magazine size, allowing for much more shots in the same amount of time as a slow firing bolt action rifle.
- Sure there isn’t: https://youtu.be/5sBap-pQo70?si=ZT83u50_wtmkiOdG&t=6
BF games never had much flinch for sniper rifles like in different popular FPS games such as Call of Duty. Yet you have so many jokers acting as if it was removed from the game and needs to be restored.
- Too strong as opposed to snipers, not sure how you missed that point when it couldn’t be made any more clear. You are equating real life to the game, anyone who does that is already pretty much disqualified from the discussion. Do you see soldiers in real life constantly full auto spraying and slide cancelling while soaking up hits and healing from near death after 10 seconds?
- Objectively false. Automatic weapons have higher damage multipliers on average over the entire body compared to sniper rifles, especially the limbs. An automatic weapon that has 25 damage per bullet shoots a limb or the lower part of the torso at close range gets 25 damage. A sniper rifle that has 80 damage per bullet at close range shoots a limb or the lower part of the torso gets 64 damage.
-The point is that having fast movement in itself favors high RPM weapons because those type of weapons are far more forgiving when missing shots. When soldiers move fast it is far more difficult to accurately track and predict their movement, that would negatively impact low fire rate weapons like sniper rifles the most obviously.
-I frequently get lasered by LMG’s, AR’s and even carbines at ranges like 70-80m, that is even while I’m moving. In previous BF games that had better sniper balance like BF1 and BF4, those guns were not nearly that accurate at those ranges. Also sniping someone at medium range like 50m did not get me killed even nearly as often as it happens in this game. The fact is that automatic weapons have become far more accurate then ever before and the numbers prove that regardless of my own anecdotal experiences that confirm this.
You are the one who completely misses the point here, this is about the shift in weapon balance that has moved too much in favor of automatic weapons. That doesn’t have anything to do with personal skill but with cold hard numbers in the game code, though I am very much aware how reg gun users always try to dismiss this particular issue because the odds are in their favor.
I'm not gonna go one by one again, but a few remarks:
The point is that having fast movement in itself favors high RPM weapons because those type of weapons are far more forgiving when missing shots.
Technically true. But then a sniper rifle is meant to be used at a longer range, where said marginally faster speed matters very little (it's called the parallax effect, if you're wondering). Stop thinking a sniper rifle is meant for short range and you may get there.
You are the one who completely misses the point here, this is about the shift in weapon balance that has moved too much in favor of automatic weapons.
What does that mean? Again, if you think there should be a balance between automatic weapons and sniper rifles as if they're supposed to engage with each other directly, then you're simply doing it wrong.
But more importantly:
A sniper rifle that has 80 damage per bullet at close range shoots a limb or the lower part of the torso gets 64 damage.
Completely false, period. I have no idea where you get stuff from, but frankly, that's completely uninformed. If you're gonna insist saying stuff that's simply false, there's no point in engaging with you.
Technically true. But then a sniper rifle is meant to be used at a longer range, where said marginally faster speed matters very little (it's called the parallax effect, if you're wondering). Stop thinking a sniper rifle is meant for short range and you may get there.
Once again, way to miss the point... having fast movement with ability to quickly change direction affects all ranges, the parallax effect has got absolutely nothing to do with it. It's about being able to predict movement and land hits.
What does that mean? Again, if you think there should be a balance between automatic weapons and sniper rifles as if they're supposed to engage with each other directly, then you're simply doing it wrong.
An asinine take, this isn't a simulator, cherry picking only long range situations where an enemy doesn't see you, doesn't engage with you or is also using a sniper rifle is not how BF is played. In fact, no single weapon in this game is used in the exact same manner as their real life counterparts. I do find it funny how this once again proves that many players only argue for snipers to have to deal with the real life con's, but not any other weapon class.
Completely false, period. I have no idea where you get stuff from, but frankly, that's completely uninformed. If you're gonna insist saying stuff that's simply false, there's no point in engaging with you.
Likewise and keep being delusional (see video proof of sniper damage in the attachment), but thank you very much for making it so easy for me to prove who is spouting complete nonsense in this discussion.
Likewise and keep being delusional (see video proof of sniper damage in the attachment), but thank you very much for making it so easy for me to prove who is spouting complete nonsense in this discussion.
Oh god, that's what you actually meant? Jeez, you're a tough lad to follow. Well, that video has made SOMEONE's point, but clearly not whose you thought it would.
I did say, and I will quote so there is no mistake:
ALL WEAPONS deal base damage adjusted for range when hitting anywhere else.
Yes, sniper rifles have inverse damage falloff. And what you wrote was:
Automatic weapons have higher damage multipliers on average over the entire body compared to sniper rifles, especially the limbs.
What you wrote is false. What I wrote is true. And those two are facts. Your video shows there is no "damage multiplier for limbs" by the way, just another silly thing you wrote.
To be clear, you say a sniper rifle has 80 base damage. Every gun in the game has damage falloff, so that's the base damage at ideal range. For an automatic rifle, that's close range, for a sniper rifle, that's further up. this is NOT A DISADVANTAGE: sniper rifles are efficient over many more range bands than any other gun.
Which leads to the second mind-numbing thing you're saying:
An asinine take, this isn't a simulator, cherry picking only long range situations where an enemy doesn't see you, doesn't engage with you or is also using a sniper rifle is not how BF is played.
YES IT IS. Before, now, always. That's why those guns are zeroed starting at 100m, and only go up from there. Go check BF4, it was the same, you literally couldn't align your crosshairs with your shot under 100m. You want to fight close range with them, go for it, but those guns are not meant for that. You want DICE to change the design philosophy? Sure, go for it as well, but don't be surprised if everyone and their grandmother just ignores you.
My god, you just keep going on and on with the delusional takes don't you?
I said "A sniper rifle that has 80 damage per bullet at close range shoots a limb or the lower part of the torso gets 64 damage."
To which you answered: "Completely false, period."
Then I posted a video that proved me right, and still you can't handle the fact that you're wrong, ROFL.....there's no point in discussing this any further with someone who denies proven and verifiable facts.YES IT IS. Before, now, always. That's why those guns are zeroed starting at 100m, and only go up from there. Go check BF4, it was the same, you literally couldn't align your crosshairs with your shot under 100m. You want to fight close range with them, go for it, but those guns are not meant for that. You want DICE to change the design philosophy? Sure, go for it as well, but don't be surprised if everyone and their grandmother just ignores you.
Get a load of this one 🤣, you actually think sniper rifles in this game are only supposed to be used in the exact same manner as their real life counterparts, whereas none of the other class weapons are used exactly like that either. BF4 had zero'd sniper rifles to 100m minimum, yet at the same time had some sniper rifles that were clearly intended for much closer ranges like the Scout Elite and it's gun stats proved that.
Like I said before, your takes are delusional.
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