Can someone explain to me why a support healing class has almost 3x the damage of a melee class?
Marine Biologist hits 70 and considering it can both warp and heal, how is this fair? He can pretty much 2 shot every plant with very few exceptions, and with 6 Ammo in his clip, it's no problem if he misses.
6 shots of 70 is 420 damage, with no upgrades!
1v1 he wrecks the Cactus, Chomper, Citron, Corn, Rose, Peashooter, Sunflower...wait that's just about everyone.
nerf?
If I ever use a Scientist it's this guy, not because of his damage. I just enjoy seeing his fish tank on his back and seeing him feed his Dolphin Gun after every reload. I miss the Shark accessory biting on his head in GW1 which I use to have equipped on his head. It just finished him off nicely.
I'm fine if they toned down his damage, I would still use him as he will always be my fav Scientist.
The whole Scientist Class is OP though, not just this guy.
He's currently not a support character, he's an Assassin. He warps in for max damage and then warps out to safety to heal. Plants need a class similar to this to compete and they have no one. A shotgun Sunflower wouldn't work either as it doesn't have the necessary utilities to be effective. It really has to be a new class specific to that role.
Yeah I've been levelling my Marine dude up the last few days and feeding that fish, I just fire one bullet just to feed him again 🙂
Best reload animation by far.
First of all, Scientist is NOT a support class. The developers once stated that he's supposed to place down a heal station, warp in close range a destroy the plants, taking their focus away from the garden, in order to enable him to deal massive damage to the defenders, especially the Cactus, which he's supposed to counter. Kinda like the Scout from TF2. And the damage profile is only 50 (52 with the upgrade) points, even if you stuff the gun down their throat. I'm not trying to be rude, but this time, you're telling a bit of nonsense. Or you're just going for the funny 420-reference. However, I agree that it's far easier to hit the full damage blast than in GW1. But their are easy ways to counter him. Peashooter. Hyper and abuse your splash damage. Citron, EMPeach him, when he regains control, use your shield to tank 1 1nd 1/2 blast from his gun and finish him. I suggest you use Citron if Scientist annoy you, he's by far their best counter. Chomper: Fire Chomper, 'nuff said. Corn, use Hosk Hup if you see a Scientist warps towards you, it will shred him. Sunflower isn't supposed to enter close ranged gunfights without help anyway, but you can find a Citron to be your bodyguard. Cactus has Potato Mines, place them around corners, even experienced Scientist mains fall for the seemingly easy kill (including me). Rose, use your Arcane Enigma to deal between 60 and 80 points of damage, the goatify him. Doesn't work all the time, but if you pull it of, it's pretty damn embarrassing for the Scientist.
Scientists don't annoy me, I am the Scientist.
The only time I get annoyed facing a Scientist is when I play a Sunflower, because as soon as one warps in it's over. It's especially annoying to play Vampire Sunflower and hit every single shot and still die thanks to his burst damage.
The warp is what makes the Scientist deadly as it plays to his strengths.
A good Scientist will know his spacing and how to use it effectively.
I really don't understand how the scientist is NOT supposed to be a support class. I mean he's a healer, the only healer on the zombie team. The reasoning that he can drop a heal station and destroy plants is a terrible design choice then. I mean a sunflower can drop a heal plant, but obviously can't go all rambo style into any group and just wreck them. If this is indeed their logic behind the scientist then it absolutely needs to change one way or the other. Either make the sunflower more of a killer, or make the scientist an actual support class, like he should be. I don't get it. If he's not support, then who is support on the Zombie team? I mean the plants have Sunflower, and Rose... The Engineer isn't much of a support class because I feel his moveset really mimics that of the peashooter. His blaster ability is just like the gatling gun for the pea, and the engineers jackhammer is very similar to the peas hyper (minus the jump). The only real difference is the third ability with the stun vs chili bean bomb. But the Engineer can definitely put out some quick damage as well.
The zombies need to be put into roles, and the devs then need to make roles for the zombies, because right now all of them are attack. That's the reason why Zombies are so capable of pushing back the plants even when the zombies are defending in turf wars. Because they're all attack. They march right up there and can push the plants right back to the spawn point and hold them there. On release the Rose alone was capable of doing that and I was in matches where that was happening. But that was just the Rose doing that. It's not like the plants as a whole were capable of doing it. They aren't quick burst damage characters, and a lot of their abilities are for defense only or leave them completely stationary. Cactus mines are pretty useless going on the offensive, same with chompers spikeweeds. Cactus' wallnuts? Definitely not offensive and his cactus drone definitely isn't something thats all too useful when you're trying to push out of your own spawn point.
I don't know if the devs are just giving the zombies their day in the sun after what happened with Rose or what... But at some point it needs to change, and even out.
You know I agree with you, and anyone with half a brain cell agrees with us both, but the majority are zombies. They are both brainless and mindless...
Once you get tagged by a zombie and feel it's true power, you become a zombie...I'm almost turning to that side as well and when I do, I'll be defending them like they're my babies.
But for now, Sunflower is no match for Scientist and it's variants, neither are most of the plants team. It's why I haven't bothered to level any Sunflowers up because it doesn't make a difference how many upgrades you have, it'll still drop in less than a second.
@Zaheen1337 wrote:You know I agree with you, and anyone with half a brain cell agrees with us both, but the majority are zombies. They are both brainless and mindless...
Once you get tagged by a zombie and feel it's true power, you become a zombie...I'm almost turning to that side as well and when I do, I'll be defending them like they're my babies.
But for now, Sunflower is no match for Scientist and it's variants, neither are most of the plants team. It's why I haven't bothered to level any Sunflowers up because it doesn't make a difference how many upgrades you have, it'll still drop in less than a second.
I felt this way about Sunflower in GW1 as well. She's not sturdy and never has been. This is not new. She was never equal to the scientist and I don't think she's meant to be (but only the devs can say for sure). The only difference is that you used to be well compensated point wise for playing her. Support points took a real hit in GW2 and I find that incredibly disappointing.
Couldn't agree with you more, but in the first version she was always defending so reviving a Cactus, Peashooter and Chomper helped the team a lot, healing a Pea Gatling, Chomper and Cactus whilst they were doing their thing made them dangerous.
Sunflower is the first to go in this version, she is targeted first because that's what you do to a healer if you have any sense, and the time it takes her to respawn and get back into action is too long, poor balance means all the plants are usually crippled and running away and then the whole process repeats itself. I don't really know what is so difficult to understand.
Zombies have more firepower and burst and can kill any plant with almost any class so much easier due to health differences. There is no comparison, and there's players who are saying they've played in competitions and teams and all that jazz and think they can tell me that this game is balanced and that I'm bad?
I mean I totally get it, I love the game because of its variety and differences, it isn't boring like other games but surely there has to be some sort of balance and counter to various classes, each side needs similar everything else it's just not going to play out evenly, ever.
@Zaheen1337 wrote:You know I agree with you, and anyone with half a brain cell agrees with us both, but the majority are zombies. They are both brainless and mindless...
Once you get tagged by a zombie and feel it's true power, you become a zombie...I'm almost turning to that side as well and when I do, I'll be defending them like they're my babies.
You know, I'm not a "Zombies Lover" by any means. I've got 50 hours of playtime in this game, and I've played the Citron class for 30 hours, the Camo Cactus for 7 and Kernel Corn for another 7 hours. The only Zombies that I've promoted and played more than an hour are the default Super Brainz, Marine Biologist and the Scuba Soldier, is that making me a Zombies Love by your definition. And for the sake of it, I agree that Marine Biologist has it all too easy right now. But I don't think its entirely because of the his primary. SURE, it's way easier to hit full damage shots now and it needs to be toned down or made more difficult, but a nerf to his speed and or warp could reduce his effectiveness a lot. And part of it is accepting that the marine Biologist will usually win close quarter engagements. I always got my * kicked by the Fire Chomper in GW1, but I realized that I can't and should't beat the chopper at close range, so I adapted and used to Engineer to counter him. You can just switch to any Citron and counter both Super Annoyanz and the Scientist. Dos this mean, that I don't want the Zombies go get nerfed or the plants to get nerved. But instead of increasing the Plants damage capabilities at close range to counter the Scientist, why not reduce the HP of both the Imp and Super Annoyanz and reduce the Scientist self heal from his abilities? Because an increase in TTK is the worst thing that could happen to this game. But as always, it's my opinion, yours may differ and I won't force you to accept mine
