Just my opinion based on frustration - If a character's kit says "bonus turn", that character should gain enough TM to actually take a turn. Otherwise it's not a bonus turn, it's just gaining TM up to 100%.Which in the case of a stunned character, is a TM reset to zero, leaving a sitting duck on the battlefield waiting for all the remaining enemies to attack and even stun again if possible.. negating further turns and "bonus turns". Stun = missing one turn. If you're at 75% TM and get stunned, you lose all your TM and your next turn = 175% TM. At that point, you get attacked by anyone on the opposing team with more TM and can get stunned again by the opposing team, which removes all your current TM and your next turn again.My problem is - if you gain a "bonus turn" while stunned, you don't actually move. You just gain enough TM to get you out of stun. Which then you are at zero TM and can get stunned again repeating the cycle. For example: you get stunned. Then, you get hit by all remaining enemies. After that onslaught, you're now at 75% TM and still stunned. BUT, you've triggered a bonus turn. At the very minimum, you should gain a full turn (100%TM) to be un-stunned and at 75% TM without stun. Not just gain 25% TM to get out of stun. Ideally though, IMO, you should get all TM necessary to take an actual bonus turn (125% TM). If it's somehow game breaking for the buff to match the debuff in mechanics, then the text on "bonus turn" abilities should be written to correctly state what they are: "When X threshold is reached, gain bonus turn meter up to 100% (immune to all abilites and debuffs)".

Respectfully disagree with your opinion and suggestion

"Ultra;c-2038442" wrote:Respectfully disagree with your opinion and suggestionBased on science and facts? I'm fine with being wrong, but if we're not going to agree, at least tell me on what basis.

"Malachi;c-2038444" wrote:"Ultra;c-2038442" wrote:Respectfully disagree with your opinion and suggestionBased on science and facts? I'm fine with being wrong, but if we're not going to agree, at least tell me on what basis. You are arguing about semantics -- what does bonus turn mean to you versus what the game is telling youYou keep bringing up that you are losing 175% TM if you are stunned at 75% TM but that is far from the truthYou can always cleanse the stunned character, and the stunned character can counter or assist or perform other abilities after stun expires in 25% TM, its not a 175% TM waitBonus turn gives you a turn and stun causes you to miss that bonus turn. There is nothing contradictory here. Your math and numbers are all over the place and I don't know where to beginBring in some support characters next time, or mod your toons faster or with higher tenacity or use a different lineup

"Malachi;d-221845" wrote:Just my opinion based on frustration - If a character's kit says "bonus turn", that character should gain enough TM to actually take a turn. It already does. It gains 100% TM which is what's needed to take a turn. Otherwise it's not a bonus turn, it's just gaining TM up to 100%. However, the bonus TM gain from a bonus turn cannot be prevented by shock, daze etc. A simple 100% bonus TM gain can. Which in the case of a stunned character, is a TM reset to zero, leaving a sitting duck on the battlefield waiting for all the remaining enemies to attack and even stun again if possible.. negating further turns and "bonus turns". Nothing is negated. The turn was gained and the stun expired when the character moved. Stun = missing one turn. If you're at 75% TM and get stunned, you lose all your TM and your next turn = 175% TM. That's not how stuns work. My problem is - if you gain a "bonus turn" while stunned, you don't actually move. You just gain enough TM to get you out of stun. That's how stuns and bonus turns work, yes. The character actually moves. That's why the stun expires. If it had been a Sith under Traya lead, Traya would cleanse the stun first and then the character would perform whatever action. At the very minimum, you should gain a full turn (100%TM) to be un-stunned and at 75% TM without stun. Not just gain 25% TM to get out of stun. Ideally though, IMO, you should get all TM necessary to take an actual bonus turn (125% TM). The character already took a turn. The stun expired, remember? Why should it gain more TM afterwards?

OP, be careful what you wish for. If you had a team that relied on stuns instead of TM boosts, I am guessing you would feel very differently being on the other side. You’re basically asking for 100% TM to also cleanse a stun, which would just be another source of frustration for you to post about.

A "bonus turn" should be the opposite of stun.

NotRealUltra
Seasoned Newcomer
5 years ago
Respectfully disagree with your opinion and suggestion
joeb8881
New Spectator
5 years ago
"Ultra;c-2038442" wrote:
Respectfully disagree with your opinion and suggestion

Based on science and facts? I'm fine with being wrong, but if we're not going to agree, at least tell me on what basis.
NotRealUltra
Seasoned Newcomer
5 years ago
"Malachi;c-2038444" wrote:
"Ultra;c-2038442" wrote:
Respectfully disagree with your opinion and suggestion

Based on science and facts? I'm fine with being wrong, but if we're not going to agree, at least tell me on what basis.
You are arguing about semantics -- what does bonus turn mean to you versus what the game is telling you

You keep bringing up that you are losing 175% TM if you are stunned at 75% TM but that is far from the truth

You can always cleanse the stunned character, and the stunned character can counter or assist or perform other abilities after stun expires in 25% TM, its not a 175% TM wait

Bonus turn gives you a turn and stun causes you to miss that bonus turn. There is nothing contradictory here. Your math and numbers are all over the place and I don't know where to begin

Bring in some support characters next time, or mod your toons faster or with higher tenacity or use a different lineup
Waquira
5 years ago
"Malachi;d-221845" wrote:
Just my opinion based on frustration -

If a character's kit says "bonus turn", that character should gain enough TM to actually take a turn.

It already does. It gains 100% TM which is what's needed to take a turn.

Otherwise it's not a bonus turn, it's just gaining TM up to 100%.

However, the bonus TM gain from a bonus turn cannot be prevented by shock, daze etc. A simple 100% bonus TM gain can.

Which in the case of a stunned character, is a TM reset to zero, leaving a sitting duck on the battlefield waiting for all the remaining enemies to attack and even stun again if possible.. negating further turns and "bonus turns".

Nothing is negated. The turn was gained and the stun expired when the character moved.

Stun = missing one turn.
If you're at 75% TM and get stunned, you lose all your TM and your next turn = 175% TM.

That's not how stuns work.

My problem is - if you gain a "bonus turn" while stunned, you don't actually move. You just gain enough TM to get you out of stun.

That's how stuns and bonus turns work, yes. The character actually moves. That's why the stun expires. If it had been a Sith under Traya lead, Traya would cleanse the stun first and then the character would perform whatever action.

At the very minimum, you should gain a full turn (100%TM) to be un-stunned and at 75% TM without stun. Not just gain 25% TM to get out of stun. Ideally though, IMO, you should get all TM necessary to take an actual bonus turn (125% TM).

The character already took a turn. The stun expired, remember? Why should it gain more TM afterwards?
TheSithVicious
5 years ago
OP, be careful what you wish for. If you had a team that relied on stuns instead of TM boosts, I am guessing you would feel very differently being on the other side. You’re basically asking for 100% TM to also cleanse a stun, which would just be another source of frustration for you to post about.
Waquira
5 years ago
"Malachi;d-221845" wrote:
At the very minimum, you should gain a full turn (100%TM) to be un-stunned and at 75% TM without stun.

So, a bonus Turn should just be a stun removal instead? Other character, who reach 100% TM before the previously stunned character could still stun that character again. I don't really see how your suggestion changes the described scenario much apart from the character being at 75% TM instead of 0%. It can still miss the turn by becoming stunned again, have TM remove or similar.

what if the character is not stunned
BobcatSkywalker
5 years ago
This seems like an argument to nerf stun not about bonus turns. OP doesn't like the stun mechanic and is disguising it as a complaint about bonus turns.
JacenRoe
5 years ago
"BobcatSkywalker;c-2038650" wrote:
This seems like an argument to nerf stun not about bonus turns. OP doesn't like the stun mechanic and is disguising it as a complaint about bonus turns.

I would bet he’s trying to argue for a stealth nerf to Padmé because his Malak doesn’t beat her 100% of the time.
joeb8881
New Spectator
5 years ago
Hahahahaaaaa you guys are too much.

I'm simply saying, in my opinion, that a bonus turn sounds like and should be a turn where an ability is used regardless of the state of the character. As in, a bonus turn. Not a TM gain to 100%.

That's it! ?
TheSithVicious
5 years ago
"Malachi;c-2038750" wrote:
.As in, a bonus turn. Not a TM gain to 100%.

What’s the difference?