Asajj as a Sith?

"Vertigo322;830659" wrote:

"C_Man101;830653" wrote:

"Jay_cube1;830633" wrote:
For Savage it's easy because Maul took him as his apprentice. An argument could be made for Savage as a night sister/brother factions which is plausible.

However, Ventress is a little complicated. We could assume that her training under Dooku and flash back training as a Jedi are just internships to her true identity as a night sister with force abilities.

I think the key here is how long the character is associated with the role and how the role defines him/her. Therefore, Maul and Savage are both Sith whereas Ventress is a night sister with force abilities.

I believe savage is considered a sith is bc of how ruthless he was his first appearance he practically destroys all the battle droids and clones and practically defeats 2 jedi with a staff

I don't mean to be picky, but he DOES defeat two Jedi with just a staff. One of which is a master, as well as a squad of clones. The droids that got in his way were ripped apart as well.

Thought he used a poleax?

"ElleMadara;830747" wrote:
+1 If they can give Savage Opress the Sith tag (despite being just a tool) and General Grievious the Droid tag (despite him being a living being, not a droid, a Kaleesh alien) they could take some liberty and make Asajj Ventress a Sith, l mean, she is evil, she has red lightsabers, uses the Dark Side of the Force and works under Dooku a Sith Lord, her master (as well as S.Opress, and he is labeled as a Sith in-game btw).

She is evil? She freed a lil girl from a forced marriage and she helped Ahsoka finding the traitor in jedi order. She saved Obi-Wans Life when Maul was about to kill him and helped him to escape (though it was just random she was there because she was after Savage to get his head money, but she could just left him there dying anyways).

This has been a heated debate before... Asajj Ventress has been many things so if you want to call her a sith then she also needs the following tags.

Seperatist
Dark Side
Light Side
Jedi
Bounty Hunter
Rebel

This aint gonna happen so just give it up.

Asajj was more jedi than sith by a longshot.

"DarthLucaz;830301" wrote:

"DarthLucaz;819281" wrote:

"WrathofCaedus;818989" wrote:

"DarthLucaz;818507" wrote:
Facts- Dooku taught her as his apprentice
-Asajj was not Sith when she started
-Sidious feared her power, more than Dooku's, Maul's and Savage's
-dooku intended to overthrow Sidious with her (Dark Disciple)
-In Dark Disciple she says she is a former Sith
-she knows far more of the dark side than all inquisitors combined
-Starwars.com labelled her sith for a year before retconning it once inquisitors appeared in Rebels
-she is educated in combating force lightning a sith secret Dooku said he would not teach savage
-to become a sith one has to be trained in the ways of the sith - filoni. Can anyone deny she was trained in sith methods of torture and power manipulation? The inquisitors never recieved the training she did
In conclusion, all evidence points to her being at the very least the Sith equivalent of a padawan. While the inquisitors are simply dark side adepts she has deep knowledge of the dark side. To the point where it is clear Dooku did not believe in or seek to follow the rule of two. Ingame I am fine with her not being a Sith, however to call her equal to the inquisitors or a dark jedi from the Expanded Universe is far too narrow for her. She was a Sith when Dooku was ordered to kill her. She was as powerful as Anakin after he turned and knew more of the dark side than darth vader did throughout the Revenge of the Sith and yet he gets the label immediatly where she is snubbed by fans despite all the facts.

I beg to differ on her being as powerful as Anakin. Maybe if you qualified it, as powerful as Anakin post limb loss, ie handicapped Anakin.

I stand by that statement due to the scene where Asajj overpowers both Anakin and Obi-wan simultaneously. Also, the fights with Dooku after she is betrayed by him. She fights on even ground with Dooku until he begins using force lightning.

My biggest problem with the argument that Asajj is not a Sith comes from the Rule of Two itself. It is not a law, it is a guideline that Sidious, Plaguies and all between him and Bane CHOOSE to adhere to in order acheive their ultimate goal. The Sith believe in power and fear and only use rules and law if it fits with their plan. Part of me believes Dooku is unique among Sith Lords. The only apprentice to have ever been taught force lightning. He wasnt just Sidious' apprentice he was a Sith Master. And as any true Master of a practice there is an inate desire to pass on ones teaching.

The reason the Rule of Two is so important is not because it allowed the Sith to survive in the shadows without internal conflict, but because the Jedi believed it was 100% correct. They believed it was infallible. If two there must be, then Asajj is the apprentice during the Majority of the clone wars and Dooku the master. Essential for Sidious to remain hidden. From the Jedi perspective she is Sith, and who better to give the label than a jedi? Once there would have been hundreds of sith and the labels of Darth or the number two did not determine their label. Why should one rule, conceived originallyy to convince the Jedi the Sith were extinct, determine the number of sith, especially when that rule must have abeen broken at its beginning. Bane made the rule right? Then told the jedi about it...So they would've executed him and an apprentice and believed the only two sith were dead. Meanwhile, another sith must have existed to keep the order alive. To me that is common sense.

I dont care if they change her tag in game but to deny she is Sith is naive. Previous quotes have more evidence I collected. I dare you to prove me wrong.

Star Wars.Com Character profiles, they you will find Lucas Arts & Disney do not count her as a Sith. They are the cannon guys if they say its not then I gotta go with them

"dreamer05;830461" wrote:

"Iron_Zilla;830291" wrote:
Let's put this into perspective shall we. Ventress wasn't a sith. At all. She was merely a tool trained and utilized by count dooku and sidous. The rule of two states that there can only be two! In episode 1 Darth Maul WAS sidious' apprentice until he was killed. Between the events of episode 1 & 2, Dooku was made sidious' apprentice which then reinstated the rule of two.

Then how would you explain Savage? Sidious was already master with Dooku as apprentice. Ventriss was certainly a dark force user, maybe not technically a full Sith. But your logic is flawed.The rule of two was never taken as an absolute by moth Sith Lords.

There can be more than 2 Sith at 1 time. This is why Maul and Savage were both Sith because Maul was the master now as no longer Sidious's apprentice.

The rule of 2 means that there can only be 2, this means the Sith have to kill each other if more until there is 2 left. This is like Highlander, there can only be one and they have to kill each other until there is one. In Star Wars its 2 Master and Apprentice

"Mojavelandbaron;830232" wrote:
Wholeheartedly agree! Just like some characters have both designations like "Scoundrel, Rebel", Assaj's really should be "Nightsister, Sith".

Dooku trained Maul is Sith...so why not Asajj.

It would excellent to include Asajj in a all
Sith team.

"Annastrasza;832025" wrote:

"Mojavelandbaron;830232" wrote:
Wholeheartedly agree! Just like some characters have both designations like "Scoundrel, Rebel", Assaj's really should be "Nightsister, Sith".

Dooku trained Maul is Sith...so why not Asajj.

It would excellent to include Asajj in a all
Sith team.

Dooku didn't train maul. Sid did

http://www.starwars.com/databank/asajj-ventress

She was trained as a Sith. Although never becoming a Sith herself she is still considered affiliated with Sith by virtue of her training.

It's right there on the official site under 'Affiliations' where it states: "Nightsister, Sith"

She should have Sith added to her in-game affiliations.

Keep in mind, affiliations doesn't mean someone WAS Sith directly but was affiliated with it meaning they were aligned and battled for their faction. That's kind of the point of the affiliations and I'm surprised they didn't simply pull hers from the official site given their license.

In that sense, she is most definitely Sith.

This asajj is not a sith just like the chewie in game isn't a rebel. She is post breakup asajj.
Outfit makes it so

They'll introduce Mom and have her synergize with her.