Bad Batch S1:E4 Chat (SPOILERS)
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- This was a good one. i love the summary Masterseedy.
I'm also seeing some parallels to the story telling in The Mandalorian. yes I can see why they would be considered filler, even if I disagree with that for this episode, but they are laying out each episode to introduce a "main person" that will be used later to some degree and building out the shows "entire family" of cast, not just the BB. "Kyno;c-2263122" wrote:
This was a good one. i love the summary Masterseedy.
I'm also seeing some parallels to the story telling in The Mandalorian. yes I can see why they would be considered filler, even if I disagree with that for this episode, but they are laying out each episode to introduce a "main person" that will be used later to some degree and building out the shows "entire family" of cast, not just the BB.
This one was better than some previous episodes. I’m just hoping by end of season we see Omega truly start to unlock her full potential (she’s a child so not full capabilities just her potential). I’m still enjoying the show, but it is apparent to me that Omega is special and the BB are on the run so I didn’t “need” a BH chasing them to know that info.
Great summary MasterSeedy. I hope the show does reach these points you outlined."MasterSeedy;c-2263113" wrote:
@Wookieflyer
Meanwhile, Omega is our entry point to the Imperial clone trooper vs. storm trooper conflict. If the Bad Batch were only on the run (an important part of the story as you mention), we would never get to see what's happening with the conflict inside the Imperial military & between the military and Kamino. But with Omega being a next gen clone needed for Kamino's capitalist project to make more and more money by proving their clones superior, Omega's protectors, in this case the Bad Batch, are very likely to discover what's going on with the Kaminoan clone industry. And if they discover what, they have a good chance to discover why.
This is obviously the point of Omega: while the story lines of going on the run can be interesting, Omega provides a reason for the Bad Batch to get involved in a conflict that will ultimately provide the answer to the question, "Why aren't Storm Troopers clones?" that the fans have been asking for decades now.
Omega is crucial. Making the Bad Batch actually care about Omega, bringing her into the family, that's also crucial. I mean, there are lots of people kidnapped or harmed in the galaxy: it's a big place. They can't rescue everyone, so we have to see that Bad Batch has a reason to risk it all for this one particular person, Omega.
That's what we're getting now, that's why there's so much focus on relationship development. It's crucial to the whole structure of what follows, and to achieving the resolution for which fans have been waiting.
Anyone who doesn't know this about Omega isn't interested in this series. The storytelling in Rebels, and Clone Wars was exceptional, better than several of the films IMO. It is so rich and developed.
Can't wait to find out more about what she can do!"Gushazan;c-2263227" wrote:
"JainaSolo;c-2262889" wrote:
"Gushazan;c-2262825" wrote:
Omega is awesome! Can't wait to find out more!
All you do people that hate this character because she's a female child should seek help. If you can't understand character development, or how her arc is tied to the show itself, then you're an outrage fool.
Please find something else to be outraged by
For me I don’t necessarily dislike her, I just don’t find her very interesting. I’m sure as her story progresses she’ll become more likable, if they give her as much character development as they did Ahsoka. People didn’t like Ahsoka at first either, but as her character developed she became a very popular character. I don’t think you should jump to conclusions about people disliking her because she’s a girl. There are plenty of female characters in Star Wars that people like ( Ahsoka, Leia, Padme, Sabine, etc).
lol ok. Why exactly is she not interesting to you? Who is more interesting in this series? How are you not putting out a judgement while claiming you judge her to not be interesting? Is that not a conclusion for now?
Please help me understand your meaning by answering these questions to explain yourself. Otherwise this is pure doublespeak.
Seems to me you are making a lot of assumptions about some forum users liking/disliking genders. Sure you can ask why someone doesn’t like a character in your post I quoted above, but simply jumping to “you just don’t like female characters” is off the mark imo.
So far Omega has mostly just gotten herself into tight spots that the BB have had to get her out of. If they show her usefulness to the group by having her complete tasks none of the other members could (like they have once so far when she recovered the part of the ship), then she will be a more fulfilling part of the show for me. Until then it can sometimes feel like “adventures in babysitting” more than what my expectations for the show may have been.
Also, I believe the show will get there, it is simply taking longer for it to happen than I would prefer. I definitely want Omega to be more than a simple plot pushing device and more of a character moving forward. I believe it will happen, just needs a bit more time and they are likely developing her over time.
Other interesting aspects could definitely be about the inhibitor chips, Omega’s mysterious abilities, recovering Crosshair, moving to civilian life after war, the growth of the empire, and the transition to non-clone stormtroopers to simply name a few. Omega has a place in this show, but so far she has been more of a plot device than a character (a character we didn’t even know coming into the show, so the slow progression with her character work is even more disappointing for me, since I know her the least). I’ll try to be patient."Konju;c-2263244" wrote:
"Gushazan;c-2263227" wrote:
"JainaSolo;c-2262889" wrote:
"Gushazan;c-2262825" wrote:
Omega is awesome! Can't wait to find out more!
All you do people that hate this character because she's a female child should seek help. If you can't understand character development, or how her arc is tied to the show itself, then you're an outrage fool.
Please find something else to be outraged by
For me I don’t necessarily dislike her, I just don’t find her very interesting. I’m sure as her story progresses she’ll become more likable, if they give her as much character development as they did Ahsoka. People didn’t like Ahsoka at first either, but as her character developed she became a very popular character. I don’t think you should jump to conclusions about people disliking her because she’s a girl. There are plenty of female characters in Star Wars that people like ( Ahsoka, Leia, Padme, Sabine, etc).
lol ok. Why exactly is she not interesting to you? Who is more interesting in this series? How are you not putting out a judgement while claiming you judge her to not be interesting? Is that not a conclusion for now?
Please help me understand your meaning by answering these questions to explain yourself. Otherwise this is pure doublespeak.
Seems to me you are making a lot of assumptions about some forum users liking/disliking genders. Sure you can ask why someone doesn’t like a character in your post I quoted above, but simply jumping to “you just don’t like female characters” is off the mark imo.
So far Omega has mostly just gotten herself into tight spots that the BB have had to get her out of. If they show her usefulness to the group by having her complete tasks none of the other members could (like they have once so far when she recovered the part of the ship), then she will be a more fulfilling part of the show for me. Until then it can sometimes feel like “adventures in babysitting” more than what my expectations for the show may have been.
Also, I believe the show will get there, it is simply taking longer for it to happen than I would prefer. I definitely want Omega to be more than a simple plot pushing device and more of a character moving forward. I believe it will happen, just needs a bit more time and they are likely developing her over time.
Other interesting aspects could definitely be about the inhibitor chips, Omega’s mysterious abilities, recovering Crosshair, moving to civilian life after war, the growth of the empire, and the transition to non-clone stormtroopers to simply name a few. Omega has a place in this show, but so far she has been more of a plot device than a character (a character we didn’t even know coming into the show, so the slow progression with her character work is even more disappointing for me, since I know her the least). I’ll try to be patient.
I agree with your point on how Omega seems to be the one who needs to be protected and/or rescued, at least now, but I am sure that as the series goes on, she will be able to contribute to the BB's missions and she will progress character-wise."MasterSeedy;c-2263113" wrote:
@Wookieflyer
All good points. I'd like to add though, that they're clearly setting up a power struggle WITHIN the empire about how the Imperial army will operate going forward: clones or non clones.
People have been asking for a long time why the StormTroopers are not clones when the Clone Troopers were already there & trained. The series is obviously set up to answer that ... and answer it in a very interesting way. After all, we have experienced the clones as nothing but heroes up until Order 66, and their participation in O66 wasn't their fault. This series has the Bad Batch set up as heroes (mostly, leave Crosshair aside for now), with non clones (the Kaminoan cloners and the Imperial hierarchy) clearly making overtly evil decisions.
Usually in fiction the clones are set up as inherently unworthy, inherently less than, and very often inherently lacking in free will.
In this story, the lack of free will is not inherent to the clones. It's something added that's not organic, that isn't just about "growing that way". It's the inhibitor chip. Here the clones have the potential to be as morally interesting, as heroic or evil, as non clone persons so long as the inhibitor chip is defeated.
Meanwhile, Omega is our entry point to the Imperial clone trooper vs. storm trooper conflict. If the Bad Batch were only on the run (an important part of the story as you mention), we would never get to see what's happening with the conflict inside the Imperial military & between the military and Kamino. But with Omega being a next gen clone needed for Kamino's capitalist project to make more and more money by proving their clones superior, Omega's protectors, in this case the Bad Batch, are very likely to discover what's going on with the Kaminoan clone industry. And if they discover what, they have a good chance to discover why.
This is obviously the point of Omega: while the story lines of going on the run can be interesting, Omega provides a reason for the Bad Batch to get involved in a conflict that will ultimately provide the answer to the question, "Why aren't Storm Troopers clones?" that the fans have been asking for decades now.
Omega is crucial. Making the Bad Batch actually care about Omega, bringing her into the family, that's also crucial. I mean, there are lots of people kidnapped or harmed in the galaxy: it's a big place. They can't rescue everyone, so we have to see that Bad Batch has a reason to risk it all for this one particular person, Omega.
That's what we're getting now, that's why there's so much focus on relationship development. It's crucial to the whole structure of what follows, and to achieving the resolution for which fans have been waiting.
Nice summary.- I wonder if the series is going to come to a point where Bad Batch will have to chose between Crosshair and Omega. Like Crosshair manages to catch her and use her as bait and to save Omega, they have to kill Crosshair. I guess I haven't figure out what would make a more compelling story, Crosshair being saved from the chip or dying an Imp.
- Yep. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Crosshair came back, but
1) not necessarily this season,
and
2) they'll happily lie (or very heavily shade the truth) if their contract with Lucasfilm/Disney demands that they lie. No media company wants to spoil the surprises of their entertainment IP, and you'd have to be terribly naive to think that they wouldn't go as far as lying to CG (or CG to us) if telling the truth would cost them millions of dollars.
This is capitalism. It's how media companies operate. Heck, we ourselves would complain if they spoiled the plot twists before the show came out. That's why spoiler tags exist: the fans want it that way. - Plus there’s the opposite, where CG creating an LS + BB Crosshair could imply to us players that he ends up redeemed. They (being CG, EA, Star Wars, etc) may want to avoid giving that impression, correct or not.
Same with creating a BB Omega or a DS Crosshair. I think there’s enough content to make both a DS Empire Crosshair and a LS BB Crosshair, even if that’s simply drawing on The Clone Wars, but I can see why CG wants to avoid it.
