Barriss Offee changes

"ewok;14272" wrote:

"Narcolipocus;14271" wrote:

"Keaven;14261" wrote:

"Narcolipocus;14140" wrote:
The refunds are being requested by people who bought Barriss with the assumption that she wouldn't be nerfed into oblivion. As she is currently it would require an incredible amount of money to make her viable again. When somebody pays 50 dollars for a character who is nerfed that heavily weeks after they paid a large amount of money to obtain her they are going to be angry. The refunds that are being given out are due to people buying the pack with the assumption that it would be a useful investment. Barriss was NOT op, she was simply better than the majority of the characters that newer players possessed. Once you get to a higher level and unlock more of the characters you realize that she is easily countered, and in many ways too limited to be viable in the top tiers of play.

The game is too young for some f2pers to understand whay you are saying dispite how 100% correct you are.

Exactly, and unfortunately they don't want to spend the time and put out the effort to learn the game. They just want anything that causes difficulties for them to be changed. If that keeps happening then the game will become too simple to be interesting. The way the game is developing there are so many different ways to put a team together, but as they nerf more and more characters that is changing. Hopefully people will realize that they've only seen a fraction of what the game has to offer when it comes to strategy and team building. For example with Captain Phasma's ability you can put a lot of counter attacking toons together and absolutely destroy a team who is using a defensive strategy. However if you use Sidious, Vader, Old Ben, and Tarkin together that strategy can be thoroughly shut down. Kylo Ren would increase the effectiveness of that strat even more. There are a plethora of different strats that can be used and no character is safe from a counter. But until more people start to realize that the forums will be filled with people who complain about everything that beats them.

Yes we don't have the strats to win so we pay to win, oh wait, that's the barriss users LOL.

Some of the best characters in the game are easily unlocked for free. For example Darth Sidious, Luminara Unduli, Boba Fett, Fives, Ahsoka Tano, Asajj Ventress, Vader, and many more. Not to mention the fact that you can get four star characters from the free bronzium packs. It may be uncommon, but I've gotten four stars from packs before.
Currently I'm using Vader, Ahsoka, Sidious, Luminara, and the Jedi Consular. Those are all easy to unlock without paying anything. And the combination is fantastic due to the extra crit chance from Sidious along with the synergizing negative effects from both Sidious and Vader contributing to Culling blade being able to OHKO people. However without things aligning properly that doesn't happen. Once you find a team that works for you you'll end up realizing that the people who pay to play generally aren't getting that much of an advantage.
And Barriss could be countered by anyone who could stun, or apply ability block, if you hit her with Vader once per turn until she dies she can never use her heal. Saying that people didn't need to use strategy to win with Barriss is short sighted due to the fact that if you simply ignore her for the most part she ends up hurting the other team more than helping. And if you are able to hit her with Vader after you've unlocked him she is even more detrimental to the enemy team due to the drastic reduction in damage that you're forced to accept when you use her.

"ewok;14292" wrote:

"Narcolipocus;14282" wrote:

"ewok;14272" wrote:

"Narcolipocus;14271" wrote:

"Keaven;14261" wrote:

"Narcolipocus;14140" wrote:
The refunds are being requested by people who bought Barriss with the assumption that she wouldn't be nerfed into oblivion. As she is currently it would require an incredible amount of money to make her viable again. When somebody pays 50 dollars for a character who is nerfed that heavily weeks after they paid a large amount of money to obtain her they are going to be angry. The refunds that are being given out are due to people buying the pack with the assumption that it would be a useful investment. Barriss was NOT op, she was simply better than the majority of the characters that newer players possessed. Once you get to a higher level and unlock more of the characters you realize that she is easily countered, and in many ways too limited to be viable in the top tiers of play.

The game is too young for some f2pers to understand whay you are saying dispite how 100% correct you are.

Exactly, and unfortunately they don't want to spend the time and put out the effort to learn the game. They just want anything that causes difficulties for them to be changed. If that keeps happening then the game will become too simple to be interesting. The way the game is developing there are so many different ways to put a team together, but as they nerf more and more characters that is changing. Hopefully people will realize that they've only seen a fraction of what the game has to offer when it comes to strategy and team building. For example with Captain Phasma's ability you can put a lot of counter attacking toons together and absolutely destroy a team who is using a defensive strategy. However if you use Sidious, Vader, Old Ben, and Tarkin together that strategy can be thoroughly shut down. Kylo Ren would increase the effectiveness of that strat even more. There are a plethora of different strats that can be used and no character is safe from a counter. But until more people start to realize that the forums will be filled with people who complain about everything that beats them.

Yes we don't have the strats to win so we pay to win, oh wait, that's the barriss users LOL.

Some of the best characters in the game are easily unlocked for free. For example Darth Sidious, Luminara Unduli, Boba Fett, Fives, Ahsoka Tano, Asajj Ventress, Vader, and many more. Not to mention the fact that you can get four star characters from the free bronzium packs. It may be uncommon, but I've gotten four stars from packs before.
Currently I'm using Vader, Ahsoka, Sidious, Luminara, and the Jedi Consular. Those are all easy to unlock without paying anything. And the combination is fantastic due to the extra crit chance from Sidious along with the synergizing negative effects from both Sidious and Vader contributing to Culling blade being able to OHKO people. However without things aligning properly that doesn't happen. Once you find a team that works for you you'll end up realizing that the people who pay to play generally aren't getting that much of an advantage.
And Barriss could be countered by anyone who could stun, or apply ability block, if you hit her with Vader once per turn until she dies she can never use her heal. Saying that people didn't need to use strategy to win with Barriss is short sighted due to the fact that if you simply ignore her for the most part she ends up hurting the other team more than helping. And if you are able to hit her with Vader after you've unlocked him she is even more detrimental to the enemy team due to the drastic reduction in damage that you're forced to accept when you use her.

"Narcolipocus;14282" wrote:

"ewok;14272" wrote:

"Narcolipocus;14271" wrote:

"Keaven;14261" wrote:

"Narcolipocus;14140" wrote:
The refunds are being requested by people who bought Barriss with the assumption that she wouldn't be nerfed into oblivion. As she is currently it would require an incredible amount of money to make her viable again. When somebody pays 50 dollars for a character who is nerfed that heavily weeks after they paid a large amount of money to obtain her they are going to be angry. The refunds that are being given out are due to people buying the pack with the assumption that it would be a useful investment. Barriss was NOT op, she was simply better than the majority of the characters that newer players possessed. Once you get to a higher level and unlock more of the characters you realize that she is easily countered, and in many ways too limited to be viable in the top tiers of play.

The game is too young for some f2pers to understand whay you are saying dispite how 100% correct you are.

Exactly, and unfortunately they don't want to spend the time and put out the effort to learn the game. They just want anything that causes difficulties for them to be changed. If that keeps happening then the game will become too simple to be interesting. The way the game is developing there are so many different ways to put a team together, but as they nerf more and more characters that is changing. Hopefully people will realize that they've only seen a fraction of what the game has to offer when it comes to strategy and team building. For example with Captain Phasma's ability you can put a lot of counter attacking toons together and absolutely destroy a team who is using a defensive strategy. However if you use Sidious, Vader, Old Ben, and Tarkin together that strategy can be thoroughly shut down. Kylo Ren would increase the effectiveness of that strat even more. There are a plethora of different strats that can be used and no character is safe from a counter. But until more people start to realize that the forums will be filled with people who complain about everything that beats them.

Yes we don't have the strats to win so we pay to win, oh wait, that's the barriss users LOL.

Some of the best characters in the game are easily unlocked for free. For example Darth Sidious, Luminara Unduli, Boba Fett, Fives, Ahsoka Tano, Asajj Ventress, Vader, and many more. Not to mention the fact that you can get four star characters from the free bronzium packs. It may be uncommon, but I've gotten four stars from packs before.
Currently I'm using Vader, Ahsoka, Sidious, Luminara, and the Jedi Consular. Those are all easy to unlock without paying anything. And the combination is fantastic due to the extra crit chance from Sidious along with the synergizing negative effects from both Sidious and Vader contributing to Culling blade being able to OHKO people. However without things aligning properly that doesn't happen. Once you find a team that works for you you'll end up realizing that the people who pay to play generally aren't getting that much of an advantage.
And Barriss could be countered by anyone who could stun, or apply ability block, if you hit her with Vader once per turn until she dies she can never use her heal. Saying that people didn't need to use strategy to win with Barriss is short sighted due to the fact that if you simply ignore her for the most part she ends up hurting the other team more than helping. And if you are able to hit her with Vader after you've unlocked him she is even more detrimental to the enemy team due to the drastic reduction in damage that you're forced to accept when you use her.

Except most f2p players dont have access to characters with the stun, our best option is to ability block with Luminara since she's one of the best f2p characters that's worth farming for. Daka's stun is way too inaccurate. If you think Barriss is detrimental then stop crying. You weren't going to use her anyways right? The trooper got a nerf too, troopers easily get taken out in one turn, but on offense they were great for me. Why arent you crying about him getting nerfed? People were complaining about him too, why woulod even buy barriss if she's so detrimental. All I hear are barriss users saying how horrible she is, but they use her LOL. Barriss was awful, so she got nerfed more, who cares then?

She didn't used to be detrimental. Before the nerf she was an exceptional healer. And she was invaluable in Galactic War. But after the nerf she is detrimental due to the reasons I listed above. I do agree that she was a bit over powered before. But they nerfed her way too much. EA does have a habit of this though. Battlefield 4 is a prime example of them going too far with nerfs.

Good post, @Ravenclaw78.

Reading this entire argument just gave me a headache, especially seeing as both sides have some very valid points. I seriously feel for the devs at CG and EA because they were only trying to do the right thing by the game and community by selling popular characters and then balancing them fairly. Good luck guys! :neutral:

"FakeRobbo;14339" wrote:
Reading this entire argument just gave me a headache, especially seeing as both sides have some very valid points. I seriously feel for the devs at CG and EA because they were only trying to do the right thing by the game and community by selling popular characters and then balancing them fairly. Good luck guys! :neutral:

However when they did this they did not play test well enough before releasing the update. If they need people to play test I'm sure that if they setup a public test server like what Diablo 3 has they would have loads of people who would help. Providing somebody 150 crystals per day to play a certain number of arena matches in such a server would both provide people with more things they are able to do in game each day, and provide more widespread play tests to ensure that when they release the new patch or the new character it will be balanced.

"ewok;14345" wrote:
NO one would be this upset about Barriss being nerfed unless they actually spent money.

Yes. And?

"ewok;14345" wrote:

Like I said, people should LEARN ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE PURCHASING.

This comment doesn't become any less irrelevant when said in all-caps.
People bought one thing, ended up with another. If the nerf had been mild and reasonable, people wouldn't be complaining this loudly.
They took a dedicated healer with no other positive attributes and halved her healing ability. That is valid reason for complaint, period.

"ewok;14354" wrote:

So basically you paid to win, and you got screwed over.

The people who "paid to win" are the ones who spent $1000 on chromium packs. Guess what? They aren't complaining about Barriss, because they aren't USING Barriss. And guess what? They aren't using Barriss because she was never that OP in the first place.
This move doesn't "screw over" the real "P2W" players. It screws over those in the middle, who are willing to spend a little bit to save time and have more fun.. and to support the game in a reasonable manner.

Funny post, some people giving opinions and Ewok with half the posts using the same lines and ignoring the argument others make! I see a bright future here!

"ewok;14384" wrote:

"luter;14379" wrote:
The same thing is happening in clash of clans they did an horrible update and now people want gem refund witch they are getting it,only they accounts are being closed.So i think the same thing should happen here if you want your packs refunded it would be ideal for you to get some punishing.After all you were placed first second or in top 100 in arena and you got the rewards for that and other things because you had a good team. You knew what you were getting into so why are you making this a big deal.Even the characters now witch are offered will in a 100$ pack will propably get buffed and some nerfed.Heck even sid will see a nerf,they are just letting people farm it up and then introduce a new character who is better and more powerful.But i dont mind this i play this game because i enjoy it and i didnt spend a dime on it and will prob never will knowing ea and their style.Still a company has to make earnings but how they do it and how good this reflects to the customers that's another topic.

Exactly. Great post.

You few guys that are so proud to not "pay a dime" and are happy to see others get wronged are really coming off as incredibly rude. Why are you so happy to see people have something they purchased get reduced in value? And why do you not think that a customer that purchased something that was reduced in value by the company they purchased it from should get some kind of compensation? Also, why when the customer can't get any help from that company and goes to a 3rd party do you think it's good to shut down that customer's account? You and a few others have a lot of hate in you and it's pretty nasty to see it so passionately displayed on this forum...over a game.

"ewok;14393" wrote:

"JohnnySteelAlpha;14391" wrote:

"ewok;14384" wrote:

"luter;14379" wrote:
The same thing is happening in clash of clans they did an horrible update and now people want gem refund witch they are getting it,only they accounts are being closed.So i think the same thing should happen here if you want your packs refunded it would be ideal for you to get some punishing.After all you were placed first second or in top 100 in arena and you got the rewards for that and other things because you had a good team. You knew what you were getting into so why are you making this a big deal.Even the characters now witch are offered will in a 100$ pack will propably get buffed and some nerfed.Heck even sid will see a nerf,they are just letting people farm it up and then introduce a new character who is better and more powerful.But i dont mind this i play this game because i enjoy it and i didnt spend a dime on it and will prob never will knowing ea and their style.Still a company has to make earnings but how they do it and how good this reflects to the customers that's another topic.

Exactly. Great post.

You few guys that are so proud to not "pay a dime" and are happy to see others get wronged are really coming off as incredibly rude. Why are you so happy to see people have something they purchased get reduced in value? And why do you not think that a customer that purchased something that was reduced in value by the company they purchased it from should get some kind of compensation? Also, why when the customer can't get any help from that company and goes to a 3rd party do you think it's good to shut down that customer's account? You and a few others have a lot of hate in you and it's pretty nasty to see it so passionately displayed on this forum...over a game.

I'm not happy to see people get wronged, I'm just saying this was common sense, and I'm not the one who started being rude. If you go back to earlier posts it was all p2p people saying, oh if you have problems with barriss you dont have any strats or you're a noob etc. According to them barriss is useless but they're still having a hissy fit, if she's useless I wonder why they bought her, and why they're so upset she got nerfed.

Because she was good early in the game's rollout at that time and people didn't have anything else built up. That's the oddity here - she wasn't OP once you had more toons and more developed toons. The non-F2P could just see that faster as they advanced faster with unlocking / building other stuff at a faster pace. This is not to say P2P are any smarter and it was probably articulated poorly by calling you a "noob" but that's what the perspective of the pay player was coming from. Barriss really started to pale in comparison to other toons and you could see stuff that was really good. Sleeper for example - Stormtrooper Han. That guy has a skill that if you don't have dispel will seem really OP. So to me it made no sense to target Dooku or Barriss as they were good, and yeah really good at an early point in the game given the rosters at that time, but in no way were they even like 1st / 2nd tier type toons that you feared.

My server is over 3 weeks old now and in the last few days she was already coming out of people's teams and leaderboards. She was just in 2/10 leaderboards. She served a very specific purpose and that was a great heal. Now she actually has a detrimental heal in many cases because while she can save one toon that is near death, the sacrifice part now is heavy. She's like Talia's heal but for the whole team. That heal was the only reason she was really playable and now she's probably 2nd / 3rd team or so. She'a a liability on offense and now her heal is just situational and can be a negative to the team as a whole. She's now not really a healer she's an equalizer, which penalizes the overall team to sacrifice the weakest toon. That is bad in GW for example as you want to buff your entire team as they have to go through a gauntlet...all 5 of them, not just one. So weakening others to save one guy is a negative. I often now have to fire Barriss's heal to bring up a wounded character and then fire JC's heal to get the team's overall health back up.

The other part he is they went REALLY heavy on the actual nerf itself. This was not babysteps...they just whacked the junk out of her and made no offsetting change.