Can we get an update on zFinn, C3PO and HSTR?

"Gifafi;c-1759345" wrote:
Also, please refund me all prizes I would have received if I had a better JTR squad when we started doing hsth. And refund me what I should have earned because people with a good chex mix team were doing better than I.

And while we're at it, what's with letting people with revan get the crystals that should have rightfully been mine in arena?

Right On!!!!! You would think people are hacking the system and cheating. C3PO was available to everyone. I got a 5 star C3PO and I love the Finn team LOL. I easily finish in top 50 of arena now but I guess I should be crying that those pesky Ravens beat me all the time. That's not fair Revan needs to be nerfed. I can not solo phase 3 of the Tier 5 Sith Raid with my Zeta Finn, C3PO, Han, Chewy, and bb8 team. Actually even on manual the most I have done was about 60%. I don't think it is just a plug and play solo. I think you have to have crazy high potency to do it. I have about 75% potency on my characters and apparently that's not enough.

Leave it as is and all you complaining farm Ewoks and get him next time. Problem solved.

"Gifafi;c-1759345" wrote:
Also, please refund me all prizes I would have received if I had a better JTR squad when we started doing hsth. And refund me what I should have earned because people with a good chex mix team were doing better than I.

And while we're at it, what's with letting people with revan get the crystals that should have rightfully been mine in arena?

Not remotely comparable.

If you don't have a JTR team, you're missing out on a couple million damage. You can make up for that elsewhere. Maybe you don't have a JTR team, but you have an Embo hunters team or an Aurra hunters team that can get you those points back elsewhere. Maybe your Chex isn't as good as others', but you can put together a ROLO followup to get you back in the running.

zFinn/3PO is not a few million that can be made up elsewhere. It's 38 million, through an infinite loop. No other team anywhere can come remotely close to those numbers.

You can take someone who has a good P1 JTR squad, P2 Beast Mode, P2 Leia Spam, P2 Bastila Jedi, P3 Bounty and the Beast, P3 Aurra Hunters, P3 ROLO, P4 Nightsisters, and all combined do less than zFinn/3PO. One team trumps entire good, long-farmed, well thought out rosters.

If you have someone in a reasonable hSith guild whose only team is zFinn/3PO, who can solo P3, and everyone else has a broad and solid crew, the person with zFinn/3PO will still likely get first, or at least top ten. From one team.

And not due to tactics, or sound investments. It's because of an infinite loop. An exploit. And one that fundamentally destroys competition.

Also, CG very reasonably has a policy that the current end game content should still be a competition and a challenge. Autoing it with an infinite loop wrecks the raid. Will that be acceptable some day? Sure. But not today. And probably not until there's a fourth raid, or some other form of even higher-end content.

It seems like they are dragging their feet for the fix to take place roughly by the time revan returns...

people that don't have jtr have good embo/aurra squads, and have a good ROLO squad?

Um, either get the team or wait til it's nefred. sheesh

Just give Traya a stacking even 1% Tenacity when down, and bam, problem solved. Its not really hard. Maybe even make her get Tenacity up buff when she's hit 50 times while down, or even 100, it will only effect this and not effect anything else.

The fixes are really simple, and yet, its been delayed because the first one was too bad? Its a confusing concept. You don't need to touch C3 or Finn, just touch Traya a little, and the team still can do some damage, but then the loop ends. If you have to change it.

I'm fine with it staying, the raids old now, it should be soloable entirely, but the real problem here?

The top 10 reward system.

Stop putting bandaids on the raid and just fix up and even out the drops, enough of the top heavy if you get 11th even with the same amount of effort as 10th but your reward are 100% worse Raid. Noone would complain about how much damage someone else can do if it wasn't a requirement to get top 10.

"Gorem;c-1759676" wrote:
Just give Traya a stacking even 1% Tenacity when down, and bam, problem solved. Its not really hard. Maybe even make her get Tenacity up buff when she's hit 50 times while down, or even 100, it will only effect this and not effect anything else.

The fixes are really simple, and yet, its been delayed because the first one was too bad? Its a confusing concept. You don't need to touch C3 or Finn, just touch Traya a little, and the team still can do some damage, but then the loop ends. If you have to change it.

I'm fine with it staying, the raids old now, it should be soloable entirely, but the real problem here?

The top 10 reward system.

Stop putting bandaids on the raid and just fix up and even out the drops, enough of the top heavy if you get 11th even with the same amount of effort as 10th but your reward are 100% worse Raid. Noone would complain about how much damage someone else can do if it wasn't a requirement to get top 10.

Bingo! Rewards should be the same for at least top 15 or 20.

Here’s what zFinn+3PO and this “unintended consequence” have done for us:

Our guild is now doing and completing hSTR and getting record numbers participating vs the utter apathy that t6 was being greeted with and the enormous, tedious slog that it took to complete it. As a result we’ve begun getting Traya unlocked and decent G12 gear.
We’ve also become a full 50/50 guild having struggled to get beyond around 42-44/50 for most of least year.
There is now a real buzz to the guild with decent TB and TW participation and results, excellent ticket generation rates and a big uptick in discord and in game comms.

Yes, for some, it is unwelcome but for us, it has been enormously positive and completely transformational for our guild and our collective enjoyment of this game.

They could just add to Acolytes basic “if enemy has foresight, attack again” that would make her useful again

"FalenXLacer;c-1739623" wrote:

"TVF;c-1739613" wrote:

"FalenXLacer;c-1739608" wrote:

"Blax4ever;c-1739601" wrote:
I’d like to know what they are going to do also, I was going to zeta Finn for the upcoming JTR journey and TW, but the dark side clouds everything.

Hopefully the Dev team can update us on what their timeline is looking like. 2 weeks, 3 weeks, 6 months etc.

Other than that I’ll save the zeta until they do.

You won’t need zFinn to get JTR, but you might consider zesting him anyway. His zeta leadership is key to the new HAAT solo with Threepio.

For now...

I suppose they could nerf Threepio or zFinn in the HAAT. But honestly, zFinn has always been really good in 2/4 phases of HAAT—surely they realized in playtesting that Threepio’s kit would make the HAAT soloable, and chose not to change anything. (but who really knows?)

I figure the plan generally is that over time, new toons can make old content trivial. Just like CLS made it possible to auto-solo the pit, now Threepio makes it possible to (almost) auto-solo the tank. Maybe in a year and a half they’ll release a toon that solos the HSTR.

They’ve already said they dont care about nerfing HAAT because its been soloable for ages

"ObiJuanPollo;c-1759694" wrote:

"Gorem;c-1759676" wrote:
Just give Traya a stacking even 1% Tenacity when down, and bam, problem solved. Its not really hard. Maybe even make her get Tenacity up buff when she's hit 50 times while down, or even 100, it will only effect this and not effect anything else.

The fixes are really simple, and yet, its been delayed because the first one was too bad? Its a confusing concept. You don't need to touch C3 or Finn, just touch Traya a little, and the team still can do some damage, but then the loop ends. If you have to change it.

I'm fine with it staying, the raids old now, it should be soloable entirely, but the real problem here?

The top 10 reward system.

Stop putting bandaids on the raid and just fix up and even out the drops, enough of the top heavy if you get 11th even with the same amount of effort as 10th but your reward are 100% worse Raid. Noone would complain about how much damage someone else can do if it wasn't a requirement to get top 10.

Bingo! Rewards should be the same for at least top 15 or 20.

Ay, if only. Top 15 or 20 would be so welcome cause that's usually everyone that's participating or has put a good amount of damage in anyway, top 10 is way way to exclusive.

"AlteredCarbon;c-1759710" wrote:
Here’s what zFinn+3PO and this “unintended consequence” have done for us:

Our guild is now doing and completing hSTR and getting record numbers participating vs the utter apathy that t6 was being greeted with and the enormous, tedious slog that it took to complete it. As a result we’ve begun getting Traya unlocked and decent G12 gear.
We’ve also become a full 50/50 guild having struggled to get beyond around 42-44/50 for most of least year.
There is now a real buzz to the guild with decent TB and TW participation and results, excellent ticket generation rates and a big uptick in discord and in game comms.

Yes, for some, it is unwelcome but for us, it has been enormously positive and completely transformational for our guild and our collective enjoyment of this game.

Yeah, it has been a positive to some, but the part I don't get is why you took people in who only joined because you became a HSTR guild, Staying at 42/50 sounds better then a 50/50 guild with eight people who are only there to take gear away from the actual people who have put effort into gearing and working on the right times slowly over time. Sounds like your 42-44 was going good enough and would have started having fun regardless :)